From rgroh at swbell.net Sun Jun 5 19:40:46 2005 From: rgroh at swbell.net (Bob And Bettina Groh) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 19:40:46 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Computer manuals - free for shipping Message-ID: <42A39B8E.40907@swbell.net> Ladies and gentleman, Cleaning out the junk pile and the following manuals are available for free except for shipping costs (media mail) and a $1 or two to cover packing. Drop me an email if you are interested and I'll send shipping costs. First come, first served. Or EBAY as a follow up. With the trash bin as the step after that. Item #1: Heath/Zenith source listings (original blue bound copies): Cassette Text Editor Source HPN 595-2463 Cassette Debugging Source HPN 595-2462 HDOS Listing (HOS-1_SL) HPN 595-2466 (4 volumes) H17 ROM (H8-51) HPN 595-2464 About 15 pounds all told. Item #2: MagicWand Operations Manual (CP/M) This is in a Heath/Zenith 3-ring notebook. Estimate 3 pounds shipping weight. Bob Groh Blue Springs, MO. 64014 -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlangr at verizon.net Sun Jun 5 21:01:57 2005 From: garlangr at verizon.net (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 21:01:57 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Computer manuals - free for shipping In-Reply-To: <42A39B8E.40907@swbell.net> Message-ID: <0IHN00FZM4BF6OD0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Hi Bob, I'm interested in the first item, really just the HDOS and H17, but if you want to keep send it all that's fine... my zip is 75025, let me know the cost... Thanks, Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf > Of Bob And Bettina Groh > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:41 PM > To: Heathkit Computers > Subject: [sebhc] Computer manuals - free for shipping > > Ladies and gentleman, > > Cleaning out the junk pile and the following manuals are available for > free except for shipping costs (media mail) and a $1 or two to cover > packing. Drop me an email if you are interested and I'll send shipping > costs. First come, first served. Or EBAY as a follow up. With the > trash bin as the step after that. > > Item #1: Heath/Zenith source listings (original blue bound copies): > Cassette Text Editor Source HPN 595-2463 > Cassette Debugging Source HPN 595-2462 > HDOS Listing (HOS-1_SL) HPN 595-2466 (4 volumes) > H17 ROM (H8-51) HPN 595-2464 > About 15 pounds all told. > > > Item #2: MagicWand Operations Manual (CP/M) > This is in a Heath/Zenith 3-ring notebook. Estimate 3 pounds shipping > weight. > > Bob Groh > Blue Springs, MO. 64014 > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sp11 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 6 11:37:08 2005 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:37:08 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] Scanning in the HDOS source listings In-Reply-To: <0IHN00FZM4BF6OD0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:37:08 GMT This reminded me: > > HDOS Listing (HOS-1_SL) HPN 595-2466 (4 volumes) ..weren't you (someone) already running one of these through an automated scanner? Only a bit of it ever made it to the archives. It would be cool to have the whole thing. Even neater if you can also OCR it. For OCR'ing .. I like to run stuff through twice, and turn the pages upside-down for the 2nd pass (let the software flip them). Then by comparing the two sets you can quickly find nearly every optical conversion error. Cheers, - Steven -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Mon Jun 6 11:51:27 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:51:27 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Scanning in the HDOS source listings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200506061651.j56GpJHI021977@ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Not sure who this was addressed to. I have a scanner with a document feeder, but those source listings are huge (some of them run to 500 and even 1,000 pages in 2 volumes), double sided and they were "reduced" from the old 14-inch "green bar" paper, which makes scanning them a hugely time consuming event. So far, I have declined to scan these listings. Also, the "binding" would have to be broken (permanently) to do this, they were originally bound with "velo-bind". If someone really wants this and wants to supply the originals and the return postage (if they want them back) I might consider it (consider it, I'm not saying "yes", only "maybe"). Barry Watzman Watzman at neo.rr.com [While the source listings as PDF files might be useful, what would be more useful would be source code files that could be reassembled, created by a disassembler but then "corrected" using the source code hard copy listings as a guide. I would have thought that Pat [Swayne] or Steve [Parker] might have had the "real" HDOS source code, right out of the software engineering group. Or does anyone know where Gregg Chandler is?] -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Steven Parker Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:37 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: [sebhc] Scanning in the HDOS source listings This reminded me: > > HDOS Listing (HOS-1_SL) HPN 595-2466 (4 volumes) ..weren't you (someone) already running one of these through an automated scanner? Only a bit of it ever made it to the archives. It would be cool to have the whole thing. Even neater if you can also OCR it. For OCR'ing .. I like to run stuff through twice, and turn the pages upside-down for the 2nd pass (let the software flip them). Then by comparing the two sets you can quickly find nearly every optical conversion error. Cheers, - Steven -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From peter59 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 6 13:13:40 2005 From: peter59 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Shkabara) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:13:40 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] LBR files Message-ID: <200506061813.j56IDNoF053310@mail.evocative.com> by smtp818.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 18:13:19 -0000 I forgot the utility that I had used to read old CP/M LBR files under Windows. I know that there is LSWP but I can't find it on my computer, nor can I find a source for it on the web. In trying to clean up my hard disk, I found some old archives from my CP/M days and now I can't open them. Thanks for any input. Peter peter59 at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulpenn at knology.net Mon Jun 6 13:28:34 2005 From: paulpenn at knology.net (Paul A. Pennington) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:28:34 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] LBR files References: <200506061813.j56IDNoF053310@mail.evocative.com> Message-ID: <002f01c56ac5$8e82b740$6401a8c0@A31PAUL> You might search for these: LU86.ARC 23k 09/02/96 [DOS] Read/write .LBR files (in the style of LU/NULU). LUE.ARC 3k 09/02/96 [DOS] Quick and dirty .LBR extractor. Paul Pennington Augusta, Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Shkabara" To: Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:13 PM Subject: [sebhc] LBR files >I forgot the utility that I had used to read old CP/M LBR files under > Windows. I know that there is LSWP but I can't find it on my computer, nor > can I find a source for it on the web. In trying to clean up my hard disk, > I > found some old archives from my CP/M days and now I can't open them. > > Thanks for any input. > > > Peter > > peter59 at sbcglobal.net > > > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From billwilkinson at mindspring.com Mon Jun 6 18:18:01 2005 From: billwilkinson at mindspring.com (William Wilkinson) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:18:01 -0500 Subject: Greg Chandler (Was: RE: [sebhc] Scanning in the HDOS source listings) Message-ID: <410-2200561623181546@mindspring.com> Barry, According to this place (http://www.mlgma.org/conferences/winter2001/agenda.htm), Chandler was still owner of Enthusiastic Software as of 2001. However, their Web site at http://www.esx.com/index.html doesn't mention any people. --Bill > [Original Message] > From: Barry Watzman > To: > Date: 6/6/2005 11:54:37 AM > Subject: RE: [sebhc] Scanning in the HDOS source listings > > Not sure who this was addressed to. > > I have a scanner with a document feeder, but those source listings are huge > (some of them run to 500 and even 1,000 pages in 2 volumes), double sided > and they were "reduced" from the old 14-inch "green bar" paper, which makes > scanning them a hugely time consuming event. So far, I have declined to > scan these listings. Also, the "binding" would have to be broken > (permanently) to do this, they were originally bound with "velo-bind". > > If someone really wants this and wants to supply the originals and the > return postage (if they want them back) I might consider it (consider it, > I'm not saying "yes", only "maybe"). > > Barry Watzman > Watzman at neo.rr.com > > [While the source listings as PDF files might be useful, what would be more > useful would be source code files that could be reassembled, created by a > disassembler but then "corrected" using the source code hard copy listings > as a guide. I would have thought that Pat [Swayne] or Steve [Parker] might > have had the "real" HDOS source code, right out of the software engineering > group. Or does anyone know where Gregg Chandler is?] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of > Steven Parker > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:37 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: [sebhc] Scanning in the HDOS source listings > > This reminded me: > > > > HDOS Listing (HOS-1_SL) HPN 595-2466 (4 volumes) > > ..weren't you (someone) already running one of these through an automated > scanner? Only a bit of it ever made it to the archives. > > It would be cool to have the whole thing. Even neater if you can also OCR > it. > > For OCR'ing .. I like to run stuff through twice, and turn the pages > upside-down for the 2nd pass (let the software flip them). Then by > comparing the two sets you can quickly find nearly every optical conversion > error. > > Cheers, > > - Steven > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sp11 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 6 20:33:58 2005 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 01:33:58 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] RE: Scanning HDOS source listings In-Reply-To: <410-2200561623181546@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 01:33:58 GMT >Also, the "binding" would have to be broken >(permanently) to do this, they were originally bound with "velo-bind". Yes, but you can reassemble them easily with the velo binder machine at any Kinko's. > > what would be more > > useful would be source code files that could be reassembled, created by >a > > disassembler but then "corrected" using the source code hard copy >listings > > as a guide. I was thinking of something similar when I asked for the OCR's. I was going to to the other way, assemble and then compare the output with the release. That way, once you get it fixed up, you have all the comments in the source already. >I would have thought that Pat [Swayne] or Steve [Parker] might >have had the "real" HDOS source code, right out of the software >engineering group. I might. But I've input nearly every 5 1/4" floppy I have already and haven't seen it. So if I do have it, it's almost certainly on 8" media and I don't yet have anything set up to read them with. Hey, Pat .. "Got HDOS?" :-) How about Jim? Cheers, - Steven -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From me at patswayne.com Mon Jun 6 21:06:23 2005 From: me at patswayne.com (Pat Swayne) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 21:06:23 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] RE: Scanning HDOS source listings In-Reply-To: References: <410-2200561623181546@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050606210308.03c754c8@mail.patswayne.com> Stephen wrote: Hey, Pat .. "Got HDOS?" :-) How about Jim? I have some HDOS stuff stashed away somewhere. The trouble is, to find it. If you mean Jim Buszkeiwicz, he passed away a few about 10 years ago, I think. -- Pat -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Mon Jun 6 21:26:22 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:26:22 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] RE: Scanning HDOS source listings In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050606210308.03c754c8@mail.patswayne.com> Message-ID: <200506070226.j572QDHI018031@ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Very sorry to hear that. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Pat Swayne Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:06 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] RE: Scanning HDOS source listings Stephen wrote: Hey, Pat .. "Got HDOS?" :-) How about Jim? I have some HDOS stuff stashed away somewhere. The trouble is, to find it. If you mean Jim Buszkeiwicz, he passed away a few about 10 years ago, I think. -- Pat -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Mon Jun 6 21:25:47 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:25:47 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] RE: Scanning HDOS source listings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200506070225.j572PcHI017576@ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> OCR on an assembly listing will probably be useless, and I have not been doing it on any of the manuals that I have been scanning. I have several systems here with working 8" drives, but only running CP/M. Ironically, what I don't have, for now, is an MS-DOS system with 5.25" drives, other than the Z-100 (which doesn't have 3.5" drives), so I have no good way to get things from 5.25" to 3.5", even MS-DOS. Barry -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Steven Parker Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:34 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: [sebhc] RE: Scanning HDOS source listings >Also, the "binding" would have to be broken >(permanently) to do this, they were originally bound with "velo-bind". Yes, but you can reassemble them easily with the velo binder machine at any Kinko's. > > what would be more > > useful would be source code files that could be reassembled, created by >a > > disassembler but then "corrected" using the source code hard copy >listings > > as a guide. I was thinking of something similar when I asked for the OCR's. I was going to to the other way, assemble and then compare the output with the release. That way, once you get it fixed up, you have all the comments in the source already. >I would have thought that Pat [Swayne] or Steve [Parker] might >have had the "real" HDOS source code, right out of the software >engineering group. I might. But I've input nearly every 5 1/4" floppy I have already and haven't seen it. So if I do have it, it's almost certainly on 8" media and I don't yet have anything set up to read them with. Hey, Pat .. "Got HDOS?" :-) How about Jim? Cheers, - Steven -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From rgroh at swbell.net Mon Jun 6 22:29:44 2005 From: rgroh at swbell.net (Bob And Bettina Groh) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 22:29:44 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Computer manuals - free for shipping References: <0IHN00FZM4BF6OD0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <42A514A8.6040309@swbell.net> Thanks for the email, Mark. Another enthusiast beat you to the punch by 20 minuts or so (got 3 emails within a minute apart and then yours). Mark Garlanger wrote: >Hi Bob, > > I'm interested in the first item, really just the HDOS and H17, but if you >want to keep send it all that's fine... my zip is 75025, let me know the >cost... > > Thanks, > Mark > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf >>Of Bob And Bettina Groh >>Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:41 PM >>To: Heathkit Computers >>Subject: [sebhc] Computer manuals - free for shipping >> >>Ladies and gentleman, >> >>Cleaning out the junk pile and the following manuals are available for >>free except for shipping costs (media mail) and a $1 or two to cover >>packing. Drop me an email if you are interested and I'll send shipping >>costs. First come, first served. Or EBAY as a follow up. With the >>trash bin as the step after that. >> >>Item #1: Heath/Zenith source listings (original blue bound copies): >>Cassette Text Editor Source HPN 595-2463 >>Cassette Debugging Source HPN 595-2462 >>HDOS Listing (HOS-1_SL) HPN 595-2466 (4 volumes) >>H17 ROM (H8-51) HPN 595-2464 >>About 15 pounds all told. >> >> >>Item #2: MagicWand Operations Manual (CP/M) >>This is in a Heath/Zenith 3-ring notebook. Estimate 3 pounds shipping >>weight. >> >>Bob Groh >>Blue Springs, MO. 64014 >> >> >>-- >>Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sp11 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 6 23:27:44 2005 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 04:27:44 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] RE: Scanning HDOS source listings In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050606210308.03c754c8@mail.patswayne.com> Message-ID: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 04:27:44 GMT Pat wrote: >Stephen wrote: That's "Steven", with a "v". :-) >Hey, Pat .. "Got HDOS?" :-) How about Jim? >I have some HDOS stuff stashed away somewhere. The trouble is, to find it. No kidding. Took me a year just to find my 5 1/4" floppies. >If you mean Jim Buszkeiwicz, he passed away a few about 10 years ago, I >think. No, no, I knew that, I meant Jim Tittsler who is already on sebhc, and I believe did some work on (or at least had access to) HDOS also. Historical note: My first job at the Heathkit factory was Technical Correspondent, alongside Jim Buskiewicz and Bill Zurney. Jim B. later managed HUG for a while (after HUG's original "Jim B." ... Jim Blake). Barry wrote: >OCR on an assembly listing will probably be useless... I think it might be worth a shot for re-creating source code, especially if it was done twice for comparison. Maybe if someone were to do it on something short, like PAM8, for an experiment, and let me try post-processing it? Cheers, - Steven -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlangr at verizon.net Tue Jun 7 00:13:12 2005 From: garlangr at verizon.net (Mark Garlanger) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 00:13:12 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Computer manuals - free for shipping In-Reply-To: <42A514A8.6040309@swbell.net> Message-ID: <0IHP00GT57U3M653@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> I guess I should have sent to your email directly instead of sending back to the list, I bet that added to the time ;-) Oh, well. Not having much luck with the soft-sectored controller either. Mark _____ From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Bob And Bettina Groh Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:30 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] Computer manuals - free for shipping Thanks for the email, Mark. Another enthusiast beat you to the punch by 20 minuts or so (got 3 emails within a minute apart and then yours). Mark Garlanger wrote: Hi Bob, I'm interested in the first item, really just the HDOS and H17, but if you want to keep send it all that's fine... my zip is 75025, let me know the cost... Thanks, Mark -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Bob And Bettina Groh Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:41 PM To: Heathkit Computers Subject: [sebhc] Computer manuals - free for shipping Ladies and gentleman, Cleaning out the junk pile and the following manuals are available for free except for shipping costs (media mail) and a $1 or two to cover packing. Drop me an email if you are interested and I'll send shipping costs. First come, first served. Or EBAY as a follow up. With the trash bin as the step after that. Item #1: Heath/Zenith source listings (original blue bound copies): Cassette Text Editor Source HPN 595-2463 Cassette Debugging Source HPN 595-2462 HDOS Listing (HOS-1_SL) HPN 595-2466 (4 volumes) H17 ROM (H8-51) HPN 595-2464 About 15 pounds all told. Item #2: MagicWand Operations Manual (CP/M) This is in a Heath/Zenith 3-ring notebook. Estimate 3 pounds shipping weight. Bob Groh Blue Springs, MO. 64014 -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was going > >to to the other way, assemble and then compare the output with the release. > >That way, once you get it fixed up, you have all the comments in the source >already. > > > >>I would have thought that Pat [Swayne] or Steve [Parker] might >>have had the "real" HDOS source code, right out of the software >>engineering group. >> >> > >I might. But I've input nearly every 5 1/4" floppy I have already and >haven't seen it. So if I do have it, it's almost certainly on 8" media and >I don't yet have anything set up to read them with. > >Hey, Pat .. "Got HDOS?" :-) How about Jim? > >Cheers, > >- Steven > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > I'm not sure I understand, but do you need something transferred from 5 1/4 to 3 1/2 or vice versa? I still have an MSDOS system with both types of drives. Carroll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddl-cctech at danlan.com Tue Jun 7 11:34:07 2005 From: ddl-cctech at danlan.com (Dan Lanciani) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [sebhc] RE: Scanning HDOS source listings Message-ID: <200506071634.MAA13228@ss10.danlan.com> |Yes, but you can reassemble them easily with the velo binder machine at any |Kinko's. My HDOS listings already unbound themselves, and I was pretty careful with them. I'm surprised any survived fully bound... |I was thinking of something similar when I asked for the OCR's. I was going |to to the other way, assemble and then compare the output with the release. |That way, once you get it fixed up, you have all the comments in the source |already. That would be my preference if they could OCR well enough to assemble in the first place without excessive manual correction. |>I would have thought that Pat [Swayne] or Steve [Parker] might |>have had the "real" HDOS source code, right out of the software |>engineering group. | |I might. But I've input nearly every 5 1/4" floppy I have already and |haven't seen it. So if I do have it, it's almost certainly on 8" media and |I don't yet have anything set up to read them with. I have 8" drives. I'm not sure HDOS is set up to tralk to them, but I can create images and then extract files with a utility I wrote to read HDOS file systems. Dan Lanciani ddl at danlan.*com -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From rgroh at swbell.net Thu Jun 9 22:16:34 2005 From: rgroh at swbell.net (Bob And Bettina Groh) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 22:16:34 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Free 8 inch disk drive Message-ID: <42A90612.2040802@swbell.net> More basement cleaning. I found an old, full-size 8" disk drive in complete but unknown operational state. It appears to be single sided (density unknown). It is a General Systems International model 110H (never heard of them). It weighs 16 pounds and the package (with foam packing) is 20 x 14 x 8 inches so you can check UPS or USPS Parcel Post fees from 64014 zip code to you. Add $3 to the shipping cost and this gem(?) can be yours. Otherwise I am going to dump it in the trashcan. If any interest, email me direct. Bob Groh Blue Springs, MO. 64014 -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From rgroh at swbell.net Thu Jun 9 22:26:38 2005 From: rgroh at swbell.net (Bob And Bettina Groh) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 22:26:38 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Z100 boot rom listing - for mailing costs Message-ID: <42A9086E.20000@swbell.net> More basement findings - three more volumes of source listings - Z-100 Technical Manual: Boot ROM Source Listings Zenith PN 595-2962-02 ZA-100-1 Boot ROM source Listing Vol 1 and Vol 2 Zenith PN 595-3081-01 Sent media mail plus a couple of bucks for packaging - say $ 8 for US shipment only. Please contact me directly if interested. Bob Groh P.S. If anyone would like to electronically copy these for posterity (if not already available), please contact me quickly. I would certainly prefer that they get copied first before going to someone else. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Fri Jun 10 07:31:19 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:31:19 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Z100 boot rom listing - for mailing costs In-Reply-To: <42A9086E.20000@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200506101231.j5ACVFXW021099@ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Bob, can you tell the version number of the ROM in these listings? I gather (but can you confirm?) that these are source listings for two different versions of Z-100 boot ROM. If so, I might take the later one and be willing to scan it to a PDF file, providing that it at least a late enough version to support the hard disk system. In that case, I might only want the later version (e.g. 595-3081-01), which might cut the shipping cost. Barry Watzman Watzman at neo.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Bob And Bettina Groh Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:27 PM To: Heathkit Computers Subject: [sebhc] Z100 boot rom listing - for mailing costs More basement findings - three more volumes of source listings - Z-100 Technical Manual: Boot ROM Source Listings Zenith PN 595-2962-02 ZA-100-1 Boot ROM source Listing Vol 1 and Vol 2 Zenith PN 595-3081-01 Sent media mail plus a couple of bucks for packaging - say $ 8 for US shipment only. Please contact me directly if interested. Bob Groh P.S. If anyone would like to electronically copy these for posterity (if not already available), please contact me quickly. I would certainly prefer that they get copied first before going to someone else. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From rgroh at swbell.net Fri Jun 10 11:45:56 2005 From: rgroh at swbell.net (Bob And Bettina Groh) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:45:56 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Z100 boot rom listing - for mailing costs References: <200506101231.j5ACVFXW021099@ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Message-ID: <42A9C3C4.1010205@swbell.net> The ZA-100-1 source listings (2 volumes) are for ROM version 2.5. The other has no version number that I can see. The shipping cost is low either way - I use media rate so no big deal. I do have one person interested so I would propose that if you think that is worthwhile to capture the listings (i.e. not available in any other place) then I will send them to you. You can break them apart, scan them and then pop them back in the box and (I will provide the return mailing fee's) either return them to me or send them on to the other interested party. My contribution to the hobby. Suggestions? Bob Barry Watzman wrote: >Bob, can you tell the version number of the ROM in these listings? > >I gather (but can you confirm?) that these are source listings for two >different versions of Z-100 boot ROM. If so, I might take the later one and >be willing to scan it to a PDF file, providing that it at least a late >enough version to support the hard disk system. In that case, I might only >want the later version (e.g. 595-3081-01), which might cut the shipping >cost. > >Barry Watzman >Watzman at neo.rr.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of >Bob And Bettina Groh >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:27 PM >To: Heathkit Computers >Subject: [sebhc] Z100 boot rom listing - for mailing costs > >More basement findings - three more volumes of source listings - >Z-100 Technical Manual: Boot ROM Source Listings Zenith PN >595-2962-02 >ZA-100-1 Boot ROM source Listing Vol 1 and Vol 2 Zenith PN >595-3081-01 > >Sent media mail plus a couple of bucks for packaging - say $ 8 for US >shipment only. Please contact me directly if interested. > >Bob Groh > >P.S. If anyone would like to electronically copy these for posterity (if >not already available), please contact me quickly. I would certainly >prefer that they get copied first before going to someone else. > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com Sun Jun 12 10:48:32 2005 From: RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com (West, Ronald S.) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:48:32 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] TM100-2a drives Message-ID: <166B66B7065AB941B06FD395E98C7E8BC4D7BB@mcl-its-exs04.mail.saic.com> Howdy everyone. I finally had a chance to work on my H17 this weekend and swapped out both floopy drives with a spare drive. They are Tandon TM100-2A drives. They both are scratching disks when I try to use them. Does anyone have a contact who might be able to repair these? Or maybe has spare heads for them? Also looking for a 720k 5.25" or 3.5" drive to play with. Thanks, Ron West WB4OUM -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Sun Jun 12 11:45:50 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 12:45:50 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] TM100-2a drives In-Reply-To: <166B66B7065AB941B06FD395E98C7E8BC4D7BB@mcl-its-exs04.mail.saic.com> Message-ID: <200506121646.j5CGjhHI001838@ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Try cleaning the heads with an alcohol swab. If they are single sided drives, the pressure pads may be the problem. Beyond that, there isn't much that you can do. Electrically, you can replace these with any 5.25" 360k "PC" type drive. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of West, Ronald S. Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:49 AM To: 'sebhc at sebhc.org' Subject: [sebhc] TM100-2a drives Howdy everyone. I finally had a chance to work on my H17 this weekend and swapped out both floopy drives with a spare drive. They are Tandon TM100-2A drives. They both are scratching disks when I try to use them. Does anyone have a contact who might be able to repair these? Or maybe has spare heads for them? Also looking for a 720k 5.25" or 3.5" drive to play with. Thanks, Ron West WB4OUM -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com Sun Jun 12 19:16:09 2005 From: RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com (West, Ronald S.) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:16:09 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] TM100-2a drives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <166B66B7065AB941B06FD395E98C7E8BC4D7BC@mcl-its-exs04.mail.saic.com> Tried the cleaning (two or three times). Both drives are doing it. They got a WHOLE LOT of use when this was my only computer. I don't imagine the drives in my other computers here will last 20+ years. :^) I will see if I can find a couple 360k drives somewhere. Thanks, Ron -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org To: sebhc at sebhc.org Sent: 6/12/2005 12:45 PM Subject: RE: [sebhc] TM100-2a drives Try cleaning the heads with an alcohol swab. If they are single sided drives, the pressure pads may be the problem. Beyond that, there isn't much that you can do. Electrically, you can replace these with any 5.25" 360k "PC" type drive. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of West, Ronald S. Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:49 AM To: 'sebhc at sebhc.org' Subject: [sebhc] TM100-2a drives Howdy everyone. I finally had a chance to work on my H17 this weekend and swapped out both floopy drives with a spare drive. They are Tandon TM100-2A drives. They both are scratching disks when I try to use them. Does anyone have a contact who might be able to repair these? Or maybe has spare heads for them? Also looking for a 720k 5.25" or 3.5" drive to play with. Thanks, Ron West WB4OUM -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Sun Jun 12 22:05:01 2005 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:05:01 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] TM100-2a drives References: <166B66B7065AB941B06FD395E98C7E8BC4D7BC@mcl-its-exs04.mail.saic.com> Message-ID: <42ACF7DD.1E06@earthlink.net> >> Try cleaning the heads with an alcohol swab. > Tried the cleaning (two or three times). Both drives are doing it. I'm finding more and more of my old disks have either somehow gotten dirty, or the oxide itself is coming off. The symptom is: 1. Computer, disk drives, and the usual disks I use with it are working fine. 2. Put in an older disk I haven't used in a while. It won't read. Examine disk, and it has scratches. 3. If I try to read one of my usual disks, *IT* will now have read errors. Examine disk, and *IT* has scratches (i.e. it is ruined)! 4. Take apart disk drive and examine heads. There is a brownish crud on the heads. Clean it off with alcohol and Q-tips until heads are clean. 5. Computer, disk drives, and the usual disks (except the one ruined) again work fine. I haven't found any way to predict in advance which disks will create this situation. Before inserting the old disk, it looks perfect from a visual inspection. Yet after inserting it in a known clean, working drive, both drive and disk are dirty and disk is bad. -- *BE* the change that you wish to see in the world. -- Mahatma Ghandi -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Sun Jun 12 20:29:35 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:29:35 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] TM100-2a drives In-Reply-To: <42ACF7DD.1E06@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200506130129.j5D1TRHI027817@ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Heads are easily cleaned, relatively. A bigger problem is when the pressure pads of a single sided drive get contaminated, there may be no recovery from that. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:05 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] TM100-2a drives >> Try cleaning the heads with an alcohol swab. > Tried the cleaning (two or three times). Both drives are doing it. I'm finding more and more of my old disks have either somehow gotten dirty, or the oxide itself is coming off. The symptom is: 1. Computer, disk drives, and the usual disks I use with it are working fine. 2. Put in an older disk I haven't used in a while. It won't read. Examine disk, and it has scratches. 3. If I try to read one of my usual disks, *IT* will now have read errors. Examine disk, and *IT* has scratches (i.e. it is ruined)! 4. Take apart disk drive and examine heads. There is a brownish crud on the heads. Clean it off with alcohol and Q-tips until heads are clean. 5. Computer, disk drives, and the usual disks (except the one ruined) again work fine. I haven't found any way to predict in advance which disks will create this situation. Before inserting the old disk, it looks perfect from a visual inspection. Yet after inserting it in a known clean, working drive, both drive and disk are dirty and disk is bad. -- *BE* the change that you wish to see in the world. -- Mahatma Ghandi -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From rgroh at swbell.net Mon Jun 13 11:21:39 2005 From: rgroh at swbell.net (Bob And Bettina Groh) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:21:39 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] More software from the junk box - just cover shipping. Message-ID: <42ADB293.5090803@swbell.net> I found some more stuff for the H-8/H-89 CP/M version - a 'proof build' (I'll explain that later) set for MagicSpell. MagicSpell was a spell check addon for MagicWand. The material I have includes the manual for MagicSpell, the software for MagicSpell ( on 5-1/4" soft sector) and the software for MagicWand (on 5-1/4" hard sector), Heathkit/Zenith license agreements and some other stuff - all in a non-Heath/Zenith 3-ring notebook. These were all 'proof build' stuff. Proof Build reviews were reviews by Heath employee's (selected) of the final (hopefully) production ready products (in this case, Magic Spell). Sometime the manuals were final production types but these are not - they are just copies of the manuals and have my comments scribbled in the margins, etc. I also have no idea if the disks are any good. It has been a very long time! If anyone is interested, I can probably mail it to you for $6 or so using USPS media rate. Again I'm just looking for a good home for this. I liked MagicWand but I'm really a WordStar fan - if I ever get my H-89 going again that is what I'll be using. Bob Groh -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dwight.elvey at amd.com Mon Jun 13 11:54:19 2005 From: dwight.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sebhc] TM100-2a drives Message-ID: <200506131654.JAA09770@clulw009.amd.com> Hi You might get a little more agressive. Use some cardboard with rubbing compound on them. Also, make sure you are not seeing the pressure pad side doing damage. While it most likely won't be pretty, it won't remove data. These can usually be restored by carefully scraping with a knife edge. Dwight >From: "West, Ronald S." > >Tried the cleaning (two or three times). Both drives are doing it. They got >a WHOLE LOT of use when this was my only computer. I don't imagine the >drives in my other computers here will last 20+ years. :^) > >I will see if I can find a couple 360k drives somewhere. > >Thanks, > >Ron > >-----Original Message----- >From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org >To: sebhc at sebhc.org >Sent: 6/12/2005 12:45 PM >Subject: RE: [sebhc] TM100-2a drives > >Try cleaning the heads with an alcohol swab. If they are single sided >drives, the pressure pads may be the problem. Beyond that, there isn't >much >that you can do. Electrically, you can replace these with any 5.25" >360k >"PC" type drive. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf >Of >West, Ronald S. >Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:49 AM >To: 'sebhc at sebhc.org' >Subject: [sebhc] TM100-2a drives > >Howdy everyone. > >I finally had a chance to work on my H17 this weekend and swapped out >both >floopy drives with a spare drive. They are Tandon TM100-2A drives. They >both >are scratching disks when I try to use them. Does anyone have a contact >who >might be able to repair these? Or maybe has spare heads for them? > >Also looking for a 720k 5.25" or 3.5" drive to play with. > >Thanks, > >Ron West >WB4OUM >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From CarrollWaddell at sc.rr.com Wed Jun 15 21:06:49 2005 From: CarrollWaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:06:49 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] More software from the junk box - just cover shipping. In-Reply-To: <42ADB293.5090803@swbell.net> References: <42ADB293.5090803@swbell.net> Message-ID: <42B0DEB9.9000600@sc.rr.com> Bob And Bettina Groh wrote: > I found some more stuff for the H-8/H-89 CP/M version - a 'proof > build' (I'll explain that later) set for MagicSpell. MagicSpell was a > spell check addon for MagicWand. The material I have includes the > manual for MagicSpell, the software for MagicSpell ( on 5-1/4" soft > sector) and the software for MagicWand (on 5-1/4" hard sector), > Heathkit/Zenith license agreements and some other stuff - all in a > non-Heath/Zenith 3-ring notebook. > > These were all 'proof build' stuff. Proof Build reviews were reviews > by Heath employee's (selected) of the final (hopefully) production > ready products (in this case, Magic Spell). Sometime the manuals were > final production types but these are not - they are just copies of the > manuals and have my comments scribbled in the margins, etc. I also > have no idea if the disks are any good. It has been a very long time! > > If anyone is interested, I can probably mail it to you for $6 or so > using USPS media rate. Again I'm just looking for a good home for > this. I liked MagicWand but I'm really a WordStar fan - if I ever get > my H-89 going again that is what I'll be using. > > Bob Groh > > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > Bob, Did you find a home yet for this? Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com Mon Jun 20 10:32:43 2005 From: RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com (West, Ronald S.) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:32:43 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H-8 Stuff Message-ID: <166B66B7065AB941B06FD395E98C7E8BC4D7E4@mcl-its-exs04.mail.saic.com> A few years ago I had a 720k 3.5" floppy drive and created a couple disks with that drive. Tried those bad boyz with another drive supposedly capable of 720k operation. No luck. Cannot get it to mount or even init. Is there a special driver needed to use 80 track disk drives? I am using HDOS 2.0. Seems like there was a special driver (maybe from HUG) that allowed the 80 track operation. Anyone got a better memory than me? Ron -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Mon Jun 20 13:17:24 2005 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:17:24 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] H-8 Stuff References: <166B66B7065AB941B06FD395E98C7E8BC4D7E4@mcl-its-exs04.mail.saic.com> Message-ID: <42B70834.16B7@earthlink.net> West, Ronald S. wrote: > > A few years ago I had a 720k 3.5" floppy drive and created a couple disks > with that drive. Tried those bad boyz with another drive supposedly capable > of 720k operation. No luck. Cannot get it to mount or even init. Is there a > special driver needed to use 80 track disk drives? I am using HDOS 2.0. > Seems like there was a special driver (maybe from HUG) that allowed the 80 > track operation. Anyone got a better memory than me? Yes, there is a special disk driver required. I remember having the one for soft-sector 80-track drives from HUG. There was one for hard-sector as well -- if memory serves, it was by Dean Gibson and sold by Quickdata? -- *BE* the change that you wish to see in the world. -- Mahatma Gandhi -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com Mon Jun 20 13:26:26 2005 From: RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com (West, Ronald S.) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:26:26 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H-8 Stuff Message-ID: <166B66B7065AB941B06FD395E98C7E8BC4D7E9@mcl-its-exs04.mail.saic.com> Thanks for the info... I thought so. I will go home, drag out my HUG disks and see if I can find it. Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:17 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: Re: [sebhc] H-8 Stuff > > > West, Ronald S. wrote: > > > > A few years ago I had a 720k 3.5" floppy drive and created a couple > > disks with that drive. Tried those bad boyz with another drive > > supposedly capable of 720k operation. No luck. Cannot get > it to mount > > or even init. Is there a special driver needed to use 80 track disk > > drives? I am using HDOS 2.0. Seems like there was a special driver > > (maybe from HUG) that allowed the 80 track operation. Anyone got a > > better memory than me? > > Yes, there is a special disk driver required. I remember > having the one for soft-sector 80-track drives from HUG. > There was one for hard-sector as well -- if memory serves, it > was by Dean Gibson and sold by Quickdata? > -- > *BE* the change that you wish to see in the world. > -- Mahatma Gandhi > -- > Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, > leeahart_at_earthlink.net > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dwight.elvey at amd.com Mon Jun 20 13:36:35 2005 From: dwight.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sebhc] Looking for a H8 hard sectored disk controller Message-ID: <200506201836.LAA14195@clulw009.amd.com> Hi Gang I'm looking for a H8 hard sectored disk controller. Does anyone have one they'd be willing to part with? It doesn't even have to be working. I wish when people separate the drives from the main unit, they'd put the controller with the drives. Dwight -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Mon Jun 20 15:20:37 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:20:37 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Looking for a H8 hard sectored disk controller In-Reply-To: <200506201836.LAA14195@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: <200506202020.j5KKKSYF029461@ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Boy do I hear you on that (separating the drive from the controller). As a last resort, that was a very simple board, and it would not be too difficult to "wire-wrap" one. [Oh, then the only problem is getting an H-8 wire-wrap board ......] -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Dwight K. Elvey Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:37 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: [sebhc] Looking for a H8 hard sectored disk controller Hi Gang I'm looking for a H8 hard sectored disk controller. Does anyone have one they'd be willing to part with? It doesn't even have to be working. I wish when people separate the drives from the main unit, they'd put the controller with the drives. Dwight -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dwight.elvey at amd.com Mon Jun 20 15:32:45 2005 From: dwight.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sebhc] Looking for a H8 hard sectored disk controller Message-ID: <200506202032.NAA14233@clulw009.amd.com> Hi Ok, anyone want to trade a H89 wire wrap card for a H8 wire wrap card? Dwight >From: "Barry Watzman" > >As a last resort, that was a very simple board, and it would not be too >difficult to "wire-wrap" one. > >[Oh, then the only problem is getting an H-8 wire-wrap board ......] > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of >Dwight K. Elvey >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:37 PM >To: sebhc at sebhc.org >Subject: [sebhc] Looking for a H8 hard sectored disk controller > >Hi Gang > I'm looking for a H8 hard sectored disk controller. >Does anyone have one they'd be willing to part with? >It doesn't even have to be working. > I wish when people separate the drives from the main >unit, they'd put the controller with the drives. >Dwight > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Mon Jun 20 16:09:45 2005 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sebhc] Looking for a H8 hard sectored disk controller In-Reply-To: <200506202032.NAA14233@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: <20050620210945.38648.qmail@web53705.mail.yahoo.com> Dwight, I've got just the thing for an old time hacker - send me a mailing address offline. Jack "Dwight K. Elvey" wrote: Hi Ok, anyone want to trade a H89 wire wrap card for a H8 wire wrap card? Dwight >From: "Barry Watzman" > >As a last resort, that was a very simple board, and it would not be too >difficult to "wire-wrap" one. > >[Oh, then the only problem is getting an H-8 wire-wrap board ......] > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of >Dwight K. Elvey >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:37 PM >To: sebhc at sebhc.org >Subject: [sebhc] Looking for a H8 hard sectored disk controller > >Hi Gang > I'm looking for a H8 hard sectored disk controller. >Does anyone have one they'd be willing to part with? >It doesn't even have to be working. > I wish when people separate the drives from the main >unit, they'd put the controller with the drives. >Dwight > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leeahart at earthlink.net Mon Jun 20 22:31:54 2005 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:31:54 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [sebhc] Looking for a H8 hard sectored disk controller Message-ID: <20084150.1119324714311.JavaMail.root@wamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > Ok, anyone want to trade a H89 wire wrap card for a H8 wire wrap card? I have an H89 I/O board wire-wrap card. Are you offering an H8 wire-wrap card in trade? :-) Actually, the H8 just uses a simple rectangular piece of board. No edge connectors or funny shape. It would be easy to make one. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dwight.elvey at amd.com Tue Jun 21 11:58:07 2005 From: dwight.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sebhc] Looking for a H8 hard sectored disk controller Message-ID: <200506211658.JAA14733@clulw009.amd.com> Hi Lee No, I have a H89 proto board but would like a H8 board. I guess I didn't state that as clearly as I meant. The edge connector is the main issue on these. Of course, a H8 hard sectored controller is what I really need. The prototyping board is just an alternative. Dwight >From: "Lee Hart" > >Dwight K. Elvey wrote: >> Ok, anyone want to trade a H89 wire wrap card for a H8 wire wrap card? > >I have an H89 I/O board wire-wrap card. Are you offering an H8 wire-wrap card in trade? :-) > >Actually, the H8 just uses a simple rectangular piece of board. No edge connectors or funny shape. It would be easy to make one. > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dwight.elvey at amd.com Tue Jun 21 17:17:01 2005 From: dwight.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sebhc] Heathkit HDOS source listings Message-ID: <200506212217.PAA14891@clulw009.amd.com> Hi I thought I'd forward this message to this group from the classiccmp mail group. I hope that we can offer Rich space to put these up. And yes, it was Letwin of OS/2 fame. Later Dwight ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:00:11 -0400 From: "Richard Beaudry" To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Heathkit HDOS source listings Hello all, I recently acquired a 4-volume set of Heathkit HDOS source listings. They are in assembly langage, printed out on May 16th, 1980. They have nicely printed cover pages from Heathkit, and the rest appear to be photocopies of greenbar paper listings. I haven't examined them completely, but they appear to be intact, readable, and complete. The command processor and BASIC interpreter are definitely there, and there is a lot more as well... I'll post more details if anyone is interested. Also, I don't know if these are archived anywhere. If not, is there interest in getting these scanned and posted? If so, I'll move it to the top of the list. Bear in mind it's at least a 6" high stack, double-side printed, so "top of the stack" may still take a while to do... :-) I found some comments by a "J.G. Letwin". Perchance the same Letwin of OS/2 fame? Thanks, Rich B. ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sp11 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 22 00:50:08 2005 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 05:50:08 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] RE: Heathkit HDOS source listings In-Reply-To: <200506212217.PAA14891@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 05:50:08 GMT >I recently acquired a 4-volume set of Heathkit HDOS source listings. I assume this is a copy of the HOS-SL-1. I think Jack has one already, but has only dropped one chapter into his autofeeding scanner so far. I keep hoping the rest will show up in the archive sometime. :-) (And maybe even with OCR's?) - Steven -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Thu Jun 23 22:36:28 2005 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:36:28 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] RE: Heathkit HDOS source listings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c5786d$e89ba510$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> I got'em but I thought the last time I offerred to scan them nobody seemed too interested if they weren't OCR'ed. As per Barry's comments, it isn't too likely to happen at my end! I'd like to seem this material digitized and shared but I'm not ready to attempt recompilation. Lots of pages - if there's interest I can start feeding them into the hopper and of course Rich (or anyone else who has a set) is welcome to contribute. There seem to be several of us on the list who have them. Jack > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Steven Parker > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:50 AM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: [sebhc] RE: Heathkit HDOS source listings > > > >I recently acquired a 4-volume set of Heathkit HDOS source listings. > > I assume this is a copy of the HOS-SL-1. I think Jack has > one already, but > has only dropped one chapter into his autofeeding scanner so > far. I keep > hoping the rest will show up in the archive sometime. :-) > > (And maybe even with OCR's?) > > - Steven > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sp11 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 26 23:43:40 2005 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:43:40 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] RE: Heathkit HDOS source listings In-Reply-To: <000101c5786d$e89ba510$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> Message-ID: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:43:40 GMT >I got'em but I thought the last time I offerred to scan them nobody seemed >too interested if they weren't OCR'ed. I think it would be cool to have both doc and source archived. If your machine won't do images and OCR at the same time, just image would be nice to have. And if it does do OCR's, someone else might work on recompliation capability (maybe even me). Cheers, - Steven -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com Tue Jun 28 12:44:08 2005 From: RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com (West, Ronald S.) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:44:08 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Floppy drives Message-ID: <166B66B7065AB941B06FD395E98C7E8B066127E4@mcl-its-exs04.mail.saic.com> I have been struggling with the fact that 2 of my 3 TM-100 drives have failed (they were scratching disks). I finally solved the problem by purchasing one each 5.25" 360k drive and 3.5" 720k drive. Ebay is a wonderful thing. I got a little ripped off on the 720k drive at around $50.00. The other was not too bad at about $23.00 (with shipping). Hopefully in a few days I will be up and running again. When I get those installed I should be able to post images of Small-C and MyCalc programs I found in my collection. There are also a few HUG disks that I will send in. I also have Microsoft Basic80 but assume Microsoft won't allow us to post that on the website. Ron -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From eric at rothfus.com Tue Jun 28 15:20:43 2005 From: eric at rothfus.com (Eric J. Rothfus) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:20:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [sebhc] SVD Update Message-ID: <1119989449@rothfus.com> I've been promising it forever, and I've finally posted the SVD source code up at www.theSVD.com. If I'm not mistaken, you could now (theoretically) create your own SVD from scratch based upon the web site. And for you SVD users out there that I missed with my bulk e-mail, the latest version of the software v2.2 is posted, too. BTW, contact me if you want to get ahold of the latest firmware v2.3. It has a couple of fixes for Model 3/4 support as well as the CoCo. It also has Apple support, though this requires another piece of hardware, too. One REALLY nice thing about the v2.2 software is that it supports the H8D binary format for Heathkit images, obviating forever (for the SVD anyway) the argument about whether the H17 format or the H8D format should be posted in the archive. So using the SEBHC archive with the SVD just got a LOT easier. There are quite a few "usage notes" in both the H8 and H17 areas too. Regarding the source code, there are three different pieces: - GUI - the gui is programmed in TCL/TK so the tcl source is up there. The SVD CP distribution is actually a windows/linux executable that is wrapped up with a licensed distribution package, so that isn't included. But the code should run as is. - Firmware - the v2.3 firmware is posted, and includes a complete MicroChip PIC implementation of the SVD. Let me know if you have problems compiling. I'm the only one who has compiled it to date. The firmware implements the "virtual drive" functionality including generating the floppy data signals. - PC Apps - the GUI makes use of 2 PC-based applications to get the tough work done. The source for these tools are posted too. There are some neat things there, including implementations of file systems for the TRS-80, Heathkit, and Apple. Again, I'm the only one who has compiled this code, so let me know if you have problems. DISCLAIMER - You use the software posted at www.theSVD.com at your own risk. Do with it as you will. Change it. Distribute it. Create derivative works of it. Make money off of it (yeah right). Whatever. Please, however, don't b*tch about bugs. By all means report them, though, and I'll fix them. And PLEASE, don't b*tch about my programming. I'm just happy/shocked that it all works. Fortunately, I don't rely on my programming skills these days. :-) Eric -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From frustum at pacbell.net Wed Jun 29 01:56:03 2005 From: frustum at pacbell.net (Jim Battle) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:56:03 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] introduction Message-ID: <42C24603.7030109@pacbell.net> Hello, sebhc list members. I'm new here, and new to the heath scene. Recently I was given three H89 computers, an H47 dual 8" disk drive unit, an H77 dual 5.25" disk drive unit, along with some disks and docs. One machine has a single full sized 5.25" drive and it gets the H: prompt, and I can boot off of the internal drive (it is set up as the secondary drive). I have only one disk that wants to boot from that drive, running CP/M 1.34 or somesuch. I tried hooking up the H77 to it but the H77 is wired up such that drive 0 in the external drive is mapping to drive 0 of the internal drive. Unfortunately, one of the 8" disk drives in the H47 box had its door broken off during shipping (my sister decided she didn't want it sitting in her basement until christmas, so she "packed" it and shipped it :-( ) The second machine is for parts it appears -- it has no disk drives, is missing some keys, and there is nothing on the CRT when I power it up or reset it. Perhaps it requires a simple fix, but for now, I'm assuming it is for spare parts. The third machine has two half high 5.25 inch disk drives. Many of those 5.25" disks that weren't readable in the first machine had "CDR" written on the label, and I had no idea what that meant. When I opened the third machine, floating around inside the case was a two board sandwich that was made by "CDR systems inc". It contains a Z80 and what might be 1 MB of RAM. THe other big chips on it are a national semi DP8409AN-2 (which I think is a dram controller), a national semi MM58167AN real time clock chip, and a socket for a 40 pin device which is empty. there is a 40 pin ribbon cable from one of these CDR boards to the original Z80 socket on the main CPU board. The reason those boards and the other I/O cards were floating around was that this machine is missing the card cages that should be holding in those cards. I guess I have found the first use for my parts machine. :-) I've had the courage to try the third machine after reseating the floating cards like I think they should be and indeed it works -- there is a 1MB RAM disk and it runs a 63K CP/M. The disk drive capacity is 780KB according to D.COM. One of the disks has the CBIOS for the CDR system. When you boot a CDR disk, it says: do you want a ram disk or not? If not, then the floppies are drives A and B. If you do request the ram disk, then there are other questions to answer (should I wipe what is already in the RAM disk (it is battery backed up I guess), do you want one or two RAM disk partitions). If there is one ram disk of nearly 1MB, then the physical first floppy becomes drive b:. None of the disks that boot boot into HDOS. Perhaps some of the 8" disks do, but that will have to wait for another night. The docs that came with the machine include Heathkit Manual for the DIGITAL COMPUTER H88 assembly (595-2267) Heathkit Manual for the DIGITAL COMPUTER H88 operation (595-2268) Heathkit Manual for the DIGITAL COMPUTER H89A operation (595-2766-04) Heathkit Manual for the FLOPPY DISK Model H47 (595-2467-01) Z89-47 accessory (595-2473-02) H-88/H-89/Z-89/Z-90 Configuration Guide (597-2571) Instructions for the PROM UPGRADE ACCESSORY Model H88-7 (595-2547) Modification Kit for the H88/WH89 COMPUTER Model H88-6 (597-2171) Instructions for 16K MEMORY EXPANSION ACCESSORY Model WH88-16 (595-2489) Monitor MTR-89 (595-2508) (this is a rom source listing) BIOS LISTING for CP/M 2.2.03 (595-2775) -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Wed Jun 29 06:17:38 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 07:17:38 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] introduction In-Reply-To: <42C24603.7030109@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <200506291117.j5TBHbXW024156@ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Jim, You may recognize me as I am a fairly major "SOL" collector. However, I was also the product line director at Heathkit while the H89 was being marketed. There are several other key former Heath people here on this list, also. There is a "Configuration Guide" for the H89 that I wrote while at Heathkit, that became an official Heathkit document. It's available online in the Harte library, or I can send it to you. It will probably help you out a lot. [Actually, I see from your list that you have the hard copy version. Spend some time studying that document.] The H-47 is junk, because of the junk Remex drives (which are, unfortunately, not standard 8" floppies). I'd be surprised if it works (not all that many of them worked back in 1981). There was no Heathkit product that allowed the use of "standard" 8" drives with the H89. There are two different 5.25" Heathkit floppy controllers for the H89, a single density controller using hard sector diskettes and a double density controller using soft sector diskettes. Either or both can be installed, but they take different media, and the boot media needs to be configured to use them (there were 4 different disk systems available for the H89, the "17", "37", "47" and "67"). There were also two major operating systems available, CP/M and HDOS. CP/M was standard CP/M 2.2 with a Heathkit BIOS, and BIOS source code was provided, but the BIOS and the system regeneration procedure were fairly complex. I'm not sure what the CDR stuff that you have is, a memory disk card or some high-density RAM card, I suspect. The H-77 is just a case and power supply for two external 5.25" disk drives. The drives are standard 5.25" drives. You may have either the Siemens/Wangco drives, which are single sided, or Tandon drives, which could take on several flavors (including some that were 80 track 96tpi drives). In any case, an H-77 case can be connected to either controller (a hard-sector "17" or a soft-sector double density "37"). A major issue with hard-sector "17"-based systems these days is getting hard sector (10-sector) 5.25" blank media. Hope that this helps. Barry Watzman Watzman at neo.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Jim Battle Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:56 AM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: [sebhc] introduction Hello, sebhc list members. I'm new here, and new to the heath scene. Recently I was given three H89 computers, an H47 dual 8" disk drive unit, an H77 dual 5.25" disk drive unit, along with some disks and docs. One machine has a single full sized 5.25" drive and it gets the H: prompt, and I can boot off of the internal drive (it is set up as the secondary drive). I have only one disk that wants to boot from that drive, running CP/M 1.34 or somesuch. I tried hooking up the H77 to it but the H77 is wired up such that drive 0 in the external drive is mapping to drive 0 of the internal drive. Unfortunately, one of the 8" disk drives in the H47 box had its door broken off during shipping (my sister decided she didn't want it sitting in her basement until christmas, so she "packed" it and shipped it :-( ) The second machine is for parts it appears -- it has no disk drives, is missing some keys, and there is nothing on the CRT when I power it up or reset it. Perhaps it requires a simple fix, but for now, I'm assuming it is for spare parts. The third machine has two half high 5.25 inch disk drives. Many of those 5.25" disks that weren't readable in the first machine had "CDR" written on the label, and I had no idea what that meant. When I opened the third machine, floating around inside the case was a two board sandwich that was made by "CDR systems inc". It contains a Z80 and what might be 1 MB of RAM. THe other big chips on it are a national semi DP8409AN-2 (which I think is a dram controller), a national semi MM58167AN real time clock chip, and a socket for a 40 pin device which is empty. there is a 40 pin ribbon cable from one of these CDR boards to the original Z80 socket on the main CPU board. The reason those boards and the other I/O cards were floating around was that this machine is missing the card cages that should be holding in those cards. I guess I have found the first use for my parts machine. :-) I've had the courage to try the third machine after reseating the floating cards like I think they should be and indeed it works -- there is a 1MB RAM disk and it runs a 63K CP/M. The disk drive capacity is 780KB according to D.COM. One of the disks has the CBIOS for the CDR system. When you boot a CDR disk, it says: do you want a ram disk or not? If not, then the floppies are drives A and B. If you do request the ram disk, then there are other questions to answer (should I wipe what is already in the RAM disk (it is battery backed up I guess), do you want one or two RAM disk partitions). If there is one ram disk of nearly 1MB, then the physical first floppy becomes drive b:. None of the disks that boot boot into HDOS. Perhaps some of the 8" disks do, but that will have to wait for another night. The docs that came with the machine include Heathkit Manual for the DIGITAL COMPUTER H88 assembly (595-2267) Heathkit Manual for the DIGITAL COMPUTER H88 operation (595-2268) Heathkit Manual for the DIGITAL COMPUTER H89A operation (595-2766-04) Heathkit Manual for the FLOPPY DISK Model H47 (595-2467-01) Z89-47 accessory (595-2473-02) H-88/H-89/Z-89/Z-90 Configuration Guide (597-2571) Instructions for the PROM UPGRADE ACCESSORY Model H88-7 (595-2547) Modification Kit for the H88/WH89 COMPUTER Model H88-6 (597-2171) Instructions for 16K MEMORY EXPANSION ACCESSORY Model WH88-16 (595-2489) Monitor MTR-89 (595-2508) (this is a rom source listing) BIOS LISTING for CP/M 2.2.03 (595-2775) -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Wed Jun 29 06:42:04 2005 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:42:04 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] introduction In-Reply-To: <200506291117.j5TBHbXW024156@ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001c57c9f$928fa960$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> > There is a "Configuration Guide" for the H89 that I wrote > while at Heathkit, that became an official Heathkit document. > It's available online in the Harte library, or I can send it > to you. It will probably help you out a lot. [Actually, I > see from your list that you have the hard copy version. Spend > some time studying that document.] > um, it's also available, along with a lot of other H89 docs, in the SEBHC Archive! ;>) Jack -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From peter59 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 29 10:51:21 2005 From: peter59 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Shkabara) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 08:51:21 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] introduction In-Reply-To: <42C24603.7030109@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <200506291551.j5TFpP1U029170@mail.evocative.com> by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2005 15:51:19 -0000 The CDR board is a RAM disk, a battery backed clock, and an optional SCSI interface. There is no battery backup for the RAM disk, only for the clock. To use the clock, there is software called DateStamper that can add date and time to your files using the clock. I am not sure if DateStamper has been released to public domain or not. I have source code for clock access software since I developed this when I sold my own clock circuit as well as being a reseller for CDR. Disks marked CDR that are not readable by the H37 controller may be formatted for the CDR Systems disk controller. This is a separate item from the RAM disk/SCSI controller. Peter ------------------------- peter59 at sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- The third machine has two half high 5.25 inch disk drives. Many of those 5.25" disks that weren't readable in the first machine had "CDR" written on the label, and I had no idea what that meant. When I opened the third machine, floating around inside the case was a two board sandwich that was made by "CDR systems inc". It contains a Z80 and what might be 1 MB of RAM. THe other big chips on it are a national semi DP8409AN-2 (which I think is a dram controller), a national semi MM58167AN real time clock chip, and a socket for a 40 pin device which is empty. there is a 40 pin ribbon cable from one of these CDR boards to the original Z80 socket on the main CPU board. The reason those boards and the other I/O cards were floating around was that this machine is missing the card cages that should be holding in those cards. I guess I have found the first use for my parts machine. :-) -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dave04a at dunfield.com Wed Jun 29 21:31:14 2005 From: dave04a at dunfield.com (Dave Dunfield) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:31:14 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation Message-ID: <20050630023113.SNOT16497.orval.sprint.ca@smtp.sprint.ca> Hi Guys, Just acquired an H10, and I am trying to find documentation for it ... can anyone help? Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Wed Jun 29 22:41:16 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:41:16 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation In-Reply-To: <20050630023113.SNOT16497.orval.sprint.ca@smtp.sprint.ca> Message-ID: <200506300341.j5U3fDWZ007299@ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> I would like to get that into our archives, but as far as I know, it has not been scanned (and it would be a big job). -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Dave Dunfield Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 10:31 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation Hi Guys, Just acquired an H10, and I am trying to find documentation for it ... can anyone help? Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Thu Jun 30 07:25:21 2005 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:25:21 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation In-Reply-To: <20050630023113.SNOT16497.orval.sprint.ca@smtp.sprint.ca> Message-ID: <000301c57d6e$c8c6e640$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> Dave, I've got the manual but haven't scanned it - can I help with particular bits and pieces in the meantime? > > Just acquired an H10, and I am trying to find documentation > for it ... can anyone help? -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dave04a at dunfield.com Thu Jun 30 07:54:46 2005 From: dave04a at dunfield.com (Dave Dunfield) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:54:46 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation Message-ID: <20050630125445.HDRD5998.berlinr.sprint.ca@smtp.sprint.ca> At 07:25 30/06/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Dave, > >I've got the manual but haven't scanned it - can I help with particular bits >and pieces in the meantime? Hi Jack, I'd really like to find a scan of the manual ... how big is it? Can I talk you into bumping it up the priority list, or perhaps I could borrow and scan it? Right now, I don't really know anything about the reader/punch ... so I need basic operating info, how to load the tape, how to make it read and punch. I also need the pinout for the connector on the back, and any details about control signals... If you can help, that would be much appreciated! Btw - any idea where I can get a mating connector? I believe it is the same as the one on the H8 (but I have only one cable with a mating connector). Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From cfandt at netsync.net Thu Jun 30 08:40:26 2005 From: cfandt at netsync.net (Christian R. Fandt) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:40:26 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation In-Reply-To: <20050630023113.SNOT16497.orval.sprint.ca@smtp.sprint.ca> References: <20050630023113.SNOT16497.orval.sprint.ca@smtp.sprint.ca> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050630093309.02e59ef0@mail.netsync.net> Hi Dave, I've got a couple of H-10 punches and know there's at least one set of docs stashed somewhere in the collection. I can dig them out mid-next week or *maybe* before. We've got reparations for a big garage sale this weekend going on and it is a bit nuts around here. I'd like to get them scanned but need to tinker with my new scanner to get good looking quality. Need more practice. Also, the larger size drawings, and I think there are several, cannot be scanned on my unit. It goes only up to A4 size. May play with scanning sections and the end user has to cut and tape - which is a pain in the neck, you know. Regards, Chris F. NNNN Upon the date 22:31 29-06-05, Dave Dunfield said something like: >Hi Guys, > >Just acquired an H10, and I am trying to find documentation >for it ... can anyone help? > >Regards, >Dave >-- >dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield >dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com >com Collector of vintage computing equipment: > http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt at netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.antiquewireless.org/ -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Thu Jun 30 09:39:17 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:39:17 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation In-Reply-To: <000301c57d6e$c8c6e640$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <200506301439.j5UEdFHI008904@ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> How big is the manual, are there separate operation and assembly manuals, and how is it bound? I have a scanner with an ADF (document feeder) and also Adobe Acrobat, and I might be willing to scan it to a PDF, but my recollection is that the binding makes scanning with an ADF impossible (I bought and built an H10 in 1977). Of course someone would have to loan me the manual(s) (which I would return), or make copies of them on a photocopier and send me the copies (which, of course, could be fed into the document feeder). Barry Watzman Watzman at neo.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Jack Rubin Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:25 AM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: RE: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation Dave, I've got the manual but haven't scanned it - can I help with particular bits and pieces in the meantime? > > Just acquired an H10, and I am trying to find documentation > for it ... can anyone help? -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Thu Jun 30 09:42:24 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:42:24 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation In-Reply-To: <20050630125445.HDRD5998.berlinr.sprint.ca@smtp.sprint.ca> Message-ID: <200506301442.j5UEgMXW026216@ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> The connector is a standard Molex part, you need to identify it from a catalog, I'd suggest either Newark or Digikey, or possibly the molex web site. Molex has a "free sample" program for design engineers on their web site, and on occasion I've used it to get one or two parts for an urgent repair. When I owned an early unit back in 1977, I found the punch to be unreliable. The problem might have been fixed later. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Dave Dunfield Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:55 AM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: RE: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation At 07:25 30/06/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Dave, > >I've got the manual but haven't scanned it - can I help with particular bits >and pieces in the meantime? Hi Jack, I'd really like to find a scan of the manual ... how big is it? Can I talk you into bumping it up the priority list, or perhaps I could borrow and scan it? Right now, I don't really know anything about the reader/punch ... so I need basic operating info, how to load the tape, how to make it read and punch. I also need the pinout for the connector on the back, and any details about control signals... If you can help, that would be much appreciated! Btw - any idea where I can get a mating connector? I believe it is the same as the one on the H8 (but I have only one cable with a mating connector). Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Thu Jun 30 09:43:50 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:43:50 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050630093309.02e59ef0@mail.netsync.net> Message-ID: <200506301443.j5UEhlWZ028462@ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Hey, if you have an extra H-10, I'd like to get one. Again, I'm possibly open to doing the scanning if someone will loan me a manual, but I want to know: -One manual or two (assembly/operation)? -Number of pages -Type of binding Barry Watzman Watzman at neo.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Christian R. Fandt Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:40 AM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation Hi Dave, I've got a couple of H-10 punches and know there's at least one set of docs stashed somewhere in the collection. I can dig them out mid-next week or *maybe* before. We've got reparations for a big garage sale this weekend going on and it is a bit nuts around here. I'd like to get them scanned but need to tinker with my new scanner to get good looking quality. Need more practice. Also, the larger size drawings, and I think there are several, cannot be scanned on my unit. It goes only up to A4 size. May play with scanning sections and the end user has to cut and tape - which is a pain in the neck, you know. Regards, Chris F. NNNN Upon the date 22:31 29-06-05, Dave Dunfield said something like: >Hi Guys, > >Just acquired an H10, and I am trying to find documentation >for it ... can anyone help? > >Regards, >Dave >-- >dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield >dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com >com Collector of vintage computing equipment: > http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt at netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.antiquewireless.org/ -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Thu Jun 30 17:47:20 2005 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:47:20 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation In-Reply-To: <20050630125445.HDRD5998.berlinr.sprint.ca@smtp.sprint.ca> Message-ID: <000001c57dc5$acbca280$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> > > I'd really like to find a scan of the manual ... how big is > it? Can I talk you into bumping it up the priority list, or > perhaps I could borrow and scan it? > There are two manuals - Assembly is about 75 pages, Operation is about 25 pages plus the attendant "Pictorial Booklets" and schematics. I'll try to copy the Ops manual and pictorials tomorrow so I can scan them over the weekend. I'll do both hi-res and low-res scans in acknowledgement of your dial-up connection! Jack -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Thu Jun 30 18:12:10 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:12:10 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation In-Reply-To: <000001c57dc5$acbca280$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <200506302312.j5UNC6WZ001760@ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Jack, if you can send the scans to me I can create a single PDF file. I have a broadband connection. Barry Watzman Watzman at neo.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Jack Rubin Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 6:47 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: RE: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation > > I'd really like to find a scan of the manual ... how big is > it? Can I talk you into bumping it up the priority list, or > perhaps I could borrow and scan it? > There are two manuals - Assembly is about 75 pages, Operation is about 25 pages plus the attendant "Pictorial Booklets" and schematics. I'll try to copy the Ops manual and pictorials tomorrow so I can scan them over the weekend. I'll do both hi-res and low-res scans in acknowledgement of your dial-up connection! Jack -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dave04a at dunfield.com Thu Jun 30 21:18:23 2005 From: dave04a at dunfield.com (Dave Dunfield) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:18:23 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation Message-ID: <20050701021822.SYIK5998.berlinr.sprint.ca@smtp.sprint.ca> At 17:47 30/06/2005 -0500, you wrote: >> >> I'd really like to find a scan of the manual ... how big is >> it? Can I talk you into bumping it up the priority list, or >> perhaps I could borrow and scan it? >> > >There are two manuals - Assembly is about 75 pages, Operation is about 25 >pages plus the attendant "Pictorial Booklets" and schematics. I'll try to >copy the Ops manual and pictorials tomorrow so I can scan them over the >weekend. I'll do both hi-res and low-res scans in acknowledgement of your >dial-up connection! > >Jack Hi Jack, Thanks - that would be MUCH appreciated! I have occational access to a high-speed connection again, so don't spend too much time making a tiny one just for me... I want this one bad enough that I will find a way to get it! Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Thu Jun 30 21:54:15 2005 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:54:15 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation In-Reply-To: <200506302312.j5UNC6WZ001760@ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Message-ID: <000601c57de8$2b551c90$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> Barry, No problem here - I scan directly into Acrobat to create a single file the same way you do. I'll just do an additional low-res version for Dave to make it easier for him to download. Jack > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Barry Watzman > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 6:12 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: RE: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation > > > Jack, if you can send the scans to me I can create a single > PDF file. I have a broadband connection. > > Barry Watzman > Watzman at neo.rr.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Jack Rubin > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 6:47 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: RE: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation > > > > > I'd really like to find a scan of the manual ... how big is > > it? Can I talk you into bumping it up the priority list, or > > perhaps I could borrow and scan it? > > > > There are two manuals - Assembly is about 75 pages, Operation > is about 25 pages plus the attendant "Pictorial Booklets" and > schematics. I'll try to copy the Ops manual and pictorials > tomorrow so I can scan them over the weekend. I'll do both > hi-res and low-res scans in acknowledgement of your dial-up > connection! > > Jack > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Thu Jun 30 23:31:36 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:31:36 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation In-Reply-To: <000601c57de8$2b551c90$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <200507010431.j614VWWZ005674@ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Acrobat does a pretty good job of compression, even a 30 page manual should only be a couple of megabytes, that is manageable even on dial up. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Jack Rubin Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:54 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: RE: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation Barry, No problem here - I scan directly into Acrobat to create a single file the same way you do. I'll just do an additional low-res version for Dave to make it easier for him to download. Jack > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Barry Watzman > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 6:12 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: RE: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation > > > Jack, if you can send the scans to me I can create a single > PDF file. I have a broadband connection. > > Barry Watzman > Watzman at neo.rr.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Jack Rubin > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 6:47 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: RE: [sebhc] LF: H10 reader/punch documentation > > > > > I'd really like to find a scan of the manual ... how big is > > it? Can I talk you into bumping it up the priority list, or > > perhaps I could borrow and scan it? > > > > There are two manuals - Assembly is about 75 pages, Operation > is about 25 pages plus the attendant "Pictorial Booklets" and > schematics. I'll try to copy the Ops manual and pictorials > tomorrow so I can scan them over the weekend. I'll do both > hi-res and low-res scans in acknowledgement of your dial-up > connection! > > Jack > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List