From sp11 at hotmail.com Wed May 4 17:08:49 2005 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 22:08:49 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] New archive additions In-Reply-To: <4268F811.9000104@vintagecomputermarketplace.com> Message-ID: Wed, 04 May 2005 22:08:49 GMT I finally found more of my old H17 disks. I'm still loading them in, but I've placed what I have so far in the archives. I also found some tape software that I had on disk in the TMI format - and converted it to the H8T format. So here's what's new: Heath: 890-7 Microsoft BASIC Rev. 4.7 HUG: 885-1023 RTTY Disk H8 Only 885-1042 PILOT 885-1060 Disk VII 885-1064 Disk IX 885-1093 Dungeons and Dragons Game 885-1106 Morse-89 H8/H19 or H89 Softstuff: SF-9005 Inventory Tape: BUG8-6.H8T ISSUE # 02.06.00 CHASELED.H8T cute front panel game CLOCK.H8T front panel clock EXBASIC5.H8T ISSUE # 10.05.01 EXBASIC6.H8T ISSUE # 10.06.00 H8DERBY.H8T ISSUE # 27.00.00 H8ORBIT.H8T ISSUE # 25.00.00 HAMRABI.H8T ISSUE # 26.00.00 HASL8-6.H8T ISSUE # 04.06.00 MASTMIND.H8T Mastermind game TED8-6.H8T ISSUE # 03.06.00 That "chaseled" is the one I was looking for a year ago - the cute 2-player "chase the blinking led's around the front panel" game that doesn't require a terminal. The first 3 buttons on the left and right column of the keypad control each player's "blip". Hopefully I'll find the actual game instructions sometime. Is anyone else still working on loading disk or cassette software? Or scanning manuals? Or OCR-ing manuals (particularly software listings)? Also, if you have any HUG disks that are the same as ones I already uploaded, do them and compare since a lot of mine are "proof" (pre-production) issues and may differ slightly from the ones officially issued. Cheers, - Steven -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlangr at verizon.net Wed May 4 20:28:43 2005 From: garlangr at verizon.net (Mark Garlanger) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 20:28:43 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] New archive additions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0IFZ00318TFZAGV2@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Hi Steven, Nice to see new things, is the MBasic for HDOS or CP/M. I haven't yet got my H89 connected to a machine to transfer the images. I had been waiting until the soft-sectored controller was working, but now that I got a bunch more hard-sectored disks, I'll try to get it connected so I can both create some from the archives and save some of the new ones I just got. Here is a list of some of the ones I got which I didn't see in the archives yet: 885-1022 - HDOS Editor 885-1029 - Disk II Games '1' H8/H89 HDOS Software 885-1032 - Disk V - H8 Misc Software 885-1052 - Morsecode--H8 Disk 885-1075 A & B - HDOS Support Package 885-1228 - CP/M Fast Action Games 885-1229 - CP/M XMET Robot and ET-3400 Cross Assembler 885-1230 - KEYMAP 885-8012 - MAPLE CP/M I also have supercalc, several games including ywing, munchkin, pirates, snake. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf > Of Steven Parker > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:09 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: [sebhc] New archive additions > > I finally found more of my old H17 disks. I'm still loading them in, but > I've placed what I have so far in the archives. I also found some tape > software that I had on disk in the TMI format - and converted it to the > H8T > format. > > So here's what's new: > > Heath: > 890-7 Microsoft BASIC Rev. 4.7 > > HUG: > 885-1023 RTTY Disk H8 Only > 885-1042 PILOT > 885-1060 Disk VII > 885-1064 Disk IX > 885-1093 Dungeons and Dragons Game > 885-1106 Morse-89 H8/H19 or H89 > > Softstuff: > SF-9005 Inventory > > Tape: > BUG8-6.H8T ISSUE # 02.06.00 > CHASELED.H8T cute front panel game > CLOCK.H8T front panel clock > EXBASIC5.H8T ISSUE # 10.05.01 > EXBASIC6.H8T ISSUE # 10.06.00 > H8DERBY.H8T ISSUE # 27.00.00 > H8ORBIT.H8T ISSUE # 25.00.00 > HAMRABI.H8T ISSUE # 26.00.00 > HASL8-6.H8T ISSUE # 04.06.00 > MASTMIND.H8T Mastermind game > TED8-6.H8T ISSUE # 03.06.00 > > That "chaseled" is the one I was looking for a year ago - the cute 2- > player > "chase the blinking led's around the front panel" game that doesn't > require > a terminal. The first 3 buttons on the left and right column of the > keypad > control each player's "blip". Hopefully I'll find the actual game > instructions sometime. > > Is anyone else still working on loading disk or cassette software? Or > scanning manuals? Or OCR-ing manuals (particularly software listings)? > Also, if you have any HUG disks that are the same as ones I already > uploaded, do them and compare since a lot of mine are "proof" > (pre-production) issues and may differ slightly from the ones officially > issued. > > Cheers, > > - Steven > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Wed May 4 20:34:19 2005 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:34:19 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] New archive additions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c55112$8f25d690$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> Steve, Thanks for the new uploads. I was looking for the 885-1023 RTTY disk in the hopes of hooking my H8 up to a vintage radio and model 28 teletype. This should be fun! Jack > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Steven Parker > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:09 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: [sebhc] New archive additions > > > I finally found more of my old H17 disks. I'm still loading > them in, but > I've placed what I have so far in the archives. I also found > some tape > software that I had on disk in the TMI format - and converted > it to the H8T > format. > > So here's what's new: > > Heath: > 890-7 Microsoft BASIC Rev. 4.7 > > HUG: > 885-1023 RTTY Disk H8 Only > 885-1042 PILOT > 885-1060 Disk VII > 885-1064 Disk IX > 885-1093 Dungeons and Dragons Game > 885-1106 Morse-89 H8/H19 or H89 > > Softstuff: > SF-9005 Inventory > > Tape: > BUG8-6.H8T ISSUE # 02.06.00 > CHASELED.H8T cute front panel game > CLOCK.H8T front panel clock > EXBASIC5.H8T ISSUE # 10.05.01 > EXBASIC6.H8T ISSUE # 10.06.00 > H8DERBY.H8T ISSUE # 27.00.00 > H8ORBIT.H8T ISSUE # 25.00.00 > HAMRABI.H8T ISSUE # 26.00.00 > HASL8-6.H8T ISSUE # 04.06.00 > MASTMIND.H8T Mastermind game > TED8-6.H8T ISSUE # 03.06.00 > > That "chaseled" is the one I was looking for a year ago - the > cute 2-player > "chase the blinking led's around the front panel" game that > doesn't require > a terminal. The first 3 buttons on the left and right column > of the keypad > control each player's "blip". Hopefully I'll find the actual game > instructions sometime. > > Is anyone else still working on loading disk or cassette > software? Or > scanning manuals? Or OCR-ing manuals (particularly software > listings)? > Also, if you have any HUG disks that are the same as ones I already > uploaded, do them and compare since a lot of mine are "proof" > (pre-production) issues and may differ slightly from the ones > officially > issued. > > Cheers, > > - Steven > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sp11 at hotmail.com Thu May 5 00:00:21 2005 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 05:00:21 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] New archive additions In-Reply-To: <0IFZ00318TFZAGV2@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Thu, 05 May 2005 05:00:21 GMT Mark Garlanger writes: >... is the MBasic for HDOS or CP/M. The one I just added is Heath product number 890-7 MBASIC for HDOS. >...some of the ones I got which I didn't see in the archives... By all means upload them, and any others you find, once you get connected. And if you have time to do the same with any duplicates, it would be nice to compare them to be sure we have "final release" copies in the archive. >885-1029 - Disk II Games '1' H8/H89 HDOS Software That one we have, but comparing might still be worthwhile. >I also have supercalc, several games including ywing, munchkin, pirates, >snake. Official releases? That'd be great. I have them but not as releases (not even proofs in this case) so I was going to upload some as individual files after I had done all my complete disk images. Cheers, - Steven -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Thu May 5 06:02:02 2005 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 06:02:02 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] FW: BOUNCE sebhc@sebhc.org: Non-member submission from ["Peter Hofmann" ] Message-ID: <000301c55161$de0934b0$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> I received this from Peter Hofman (who is now subscribed to the list): ******************************************************************* From: "Peter Hofmann" To: Subject: AW: [sebhc] New archive additions Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:34:22 +0200 Hi Steven, Good morning and greetings from austria, europe. I have a lot of heath/zenith tape/diskette software. I have also a the original documentation. I wrote to Howard M. Harte and Barry Watzman an email, that I will support the various homepages. I got the info abt the parameters for the scans and I will start with things which haven't been made until now. I own also inter-office informations which have very useful informations on hard- and software changes/bugs ... Best regards for now peter -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlangr at verizon.net Thu May 5 23:45:33 2005 From: garlangr at verizon.net (Mark Garlanger) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 23:45:33 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] New archive additions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0IG100KAGX80DSG0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Steven Parker writes: > Mark Garlanger writes: > > >I also have supercalc, several games including ywing, munchkin, pirates, > >snake. > > Official releases? That'd be great. I have them but not as releases > (not > even proofs in this case) so I was going to upload some as individual > files > after I had done all my complete disk images. > Unfortunately, these are not official releases. You wouldn't happen to have Gravitron or Gravitron II? Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From ddl-cctech at danlan.com Fri May 6 21:44:25 2005 From: ddl-cctech at danlan.com (Dan Lanciani) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 22:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [sebhc] New archive additions Message-ID: <200505070244.WAA23991@ss10.danlan.com> Steven Parker writes: | Mark Garlanger writes: | | >I also have supercalc, several games including ywing, munchkin, pirates, | >snake. | | Official releases? That'd be great. I have them but not as releases | (not | even proofs in this case) so I was going to upload some as individual | files | after I had done all my complete disk images. I have release disks of Supercalc, DbaseII, Wordstar, JRT Pascal, etc. But I thought there were still copyright issues with most of these. Dan Lanciani ddl at danlan.*com -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From gfroberts at adelphia.net Sun May 8 09:39:38 2005 From: gfroberts at adelphia.net (Deb and Glenn Roberts) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 10:39:38 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] New archive additions In-Reply-To: <200505070244.WAA23991@ss10.danlan.com> Message-ID: <20050508143933.VKND17140.mta10.adelphia.net@VAIO> > I have release disks of Supercalc, DbaseII, Wordstar, JRT Pascal, etc. But > I thought there were still copyright issues with most of these. Copyright is arguably one of the more confusing (or at least one of the more debated) topics in classic computing. A copyright provides its holder the right to restrict unauthorized copying of an original expression, which can include music, software, photographs, written material, etc. This allows someone to be rewarded (through commercial trade) for their artistic efforts. So the question is, what is the correct behavior for sharing old software for which there is no longer a commercial market and the original owner of the copyright is in all likelihood not even be in existence any more? Gene Buckle's http://www.retroarchive.org/ has adopted the following principle (in his own word): "I've always run the site on the premise that if a copyright holder doesn't want their material to be hosted on the site, they'll let me know. This occured when Leor Zolman asked me to pull the BDS C archives and replace them with a link to his site now that he's released it to the public. It hasn't happened since. I also will not host material that is still being sold, nor will I host material less than 10 years old. The aim of the site is to preserve software & data for computers that are becoming more and more rare & precious every day. If a copyright holder doesn't want their contribution to the golden age of computing preserved, so be it. I'll snatch it off the drive so fast it'll leave a dimple on the listing page." Which strikes me as a pretty reasonable policy... - Glenn -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Sun May 8 14:44:57 2005 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 14:44:57 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] New archive additions In-Reply-To: <20050508143933.VKND17140.mta10.adelphia.net@VAIO> Message-ID: <000001c55406$6a8ed650$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> > Gene Buckle's http://www.retroarchive.org/ has adopted the > following principle (in his own word): > > "I've always run the site on the premise that if a copyright > holder doesn't want their material to be hosted on the site, > they'll let me know. > > I also will not host material that is still being sold, nor > will I host material less than 10 years old. > > The aim of the site is to preserve software & data for > computers that are becoming more and more rare & precious > every day. If a copyright holder doesn't want their > contribution to the golden age of computing preserved, so be > it. I'll snatch it off the drive so fast it'll leave a > dimple on the listing page." Patrick and I reviewed Glen's policy and several other similar policies when we decided to create the SEBHC archive. While I have tried to obtain prior approval before posting material that was orignally copyrighted, I also state explicitly in the ftp welcome message that software will be removed immediately at the author's request. It is also the reason that the archive is a restricted site, since otherwise we really have no control over how the information is handled after it is published to the web. Jack -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sp11 at hotmail.com Mon May 9 03:44:36 2005 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 08:44:36 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] More archive additions In-Reply-To: <200505070244.WAA23991@ss10.danlan.com> Message-ID: Mon, 09 May 2005 08:44:36 GMT I created some new fantasy blank (init) H17 disk images with track counts of 102, 160 and 204. Of course, these do not correspond to any real disk formats, but they are really neat for use with the H8 emulator. Using the 204-track images in all 3 drives, you can have the equivalent storage space of 15 normal HDOS floppies mounted at once. :-) Anyway, these are in software/disk-images/empty-init, and I updated the empties.zip (it's quicker to get them all in the zip than any one by itself!) Cheers, - Steven -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From gfroberts at adelphia.net Tue May 10 20:30:24 2005 From: gfroberts at adelphia.net (Deb and Glenn Roberts) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:30:24 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Z-100 software Message-ID: <20050511013032.SEIB17140.mta10.adelphia.net@VAIO> Hope I'm not OT here - is Z-100 discussion allowed or is this strictly an 8-bit group? I've decided it's time to downsize the many boxes of Z-100 (not PC) manuals and software I've got. Recall these were full size (8-1/2 x 11) binders so they take up some space! I've got a wide collection of stuff, most for Z-DOS (and some more generically MS-DOS) - Lotus, Wordstar (multiple versions), Condor rDBMS, Z-Basic Compiler, dBase II, MS Cobol, etc. Some I have 2 or 3 copies of. All with original disks and in generally very good condition (some never really even used). Haven't tested most of these so don't know if any of the disks are suffering from bit rot, though they've been kept in their sleeves. My first preference would be to find a home where someone would use it and preferably preserve it (e.g. scan manuals and post the PDFs, put the software in the Archives, etc.) Unfortunately I don't have the time or resources to do that right now. I also have a few extra CP/M resources (CP/M-85 and Basic-80) on soft sectored disks. Any suggestions? If I'm off topic for the group feel free to reply off distribution. Thanks! - Glenn Roberts - From sp11 at hotmail.com Wed May 11 01:08:34 2005 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 06:08:34 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] Z-100 software In-Reply-To: <20050511013032.SEIB17140.mta10.adelphia.net@VAIO> Message-ID: Wed, 11 May 2005 06:08:34 GMT >Hope I'm not OT here - is Z-100 discussion allowed or is this strictly an >8-bit group? Adding a Z100 section to the archives sounds like a fine idea to me. But then, folks might think I'm prejudiced by having been part of the Z100 design team. :-) However, I do think the H8, etc, should get priority in scanning, etc. Which reminds me .. any chance of getting the entire HOS-1-SL scanned (and maybe OCR'd, too) anytime soon? Anyone got any more HDOS disks loaded? Cheers, - Steven P.S. I've been having trouble using my fantasy 204 track disk on the emulator - but the 160 track one seems to be OK. I suspect the unusual configuration my be tripping some unintentional limits in HDOS (I expect the emulator doesn't care). Anyway, I have to recommend against using the 204 track one, at least for now. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Wed May 11 08:49:00 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:49:00 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Z-100 software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200505111349.j4BDmxWZ021466@ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> A very large percentage of the Z-100 documentation has been scanned (by me, mostly) and is available online at the Harte site http://www.hartetechnologies.com/manuals/ [Note that he has run into a server space limitation and has had to remove some manuals, including some Heath manuals. They are still available, but are not online] I have a DVD that I sell for $35 (which includes US Domestic shipping) that has thousands and thousands of files on it, including more than is available on the entire Harte site. It also includes software as well as scanned manuals. It's actually mostly oriented to non-H/Z stuff (Altair, Imsai, Cromemco, Godbout(Compupro), Radio Shack, SWTPC, Commodore, SSM, Vector Graphics, SCP, etc. If you are into "classic computers", it's very worthwhile. It has more stuff, and better quality, than the Dynacomp CDs being sold on E-Bay for $10 each, and it's cheaper. All of my Heath Zenith stuff is on this DVD, but the H/Z stuff is a tiny portion of it. I will scan loose-leaf manuals that I do not have, I can do this fairly easily as I have a high-end scanner with a document feeder that can do about 200+ pages per hour unattended. However, bound manuals are very difficult and time consuming. A few people have been willing to destroy a bound manual to make it "loose leaf" for scanning. In fact, I did this with one of my own MP/M-86 Digital Research software manuals. Barry Watzman Watzman at neo.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Steven Parker Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 2:09 AM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: RE: [sebhc] Z-100 software >Hope I'm not OT here - is Z-100 discussion allowed or is this strictly an >8-bit group? Adding a Z100 section to the archives sounds like a fine idea to me. But then, folks might think I'm prejudiced by having been part of the Z100 design team. :-) However, I do think the H8, etc, should get priority in scanning, etc. Which reminds me .. any chance of getting the entire HOS-1-SL scanned (and maybe OCR'd, too) anytime soon? Anyone got any more HDOS disks loaded? Cheers, - Steven P.S. I've been having trouble using my fantasy 204 track disk on the emulator - but the 160 track one seems to be OK. I suspect the unusual configuration my be tripping some unintentional limits in HDOS (I expect the emulator doesn't care). Anyway, I have to recommend against using the 204 track one, at least for now. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlangr at verizon.net Wed May 11 20:11:20 2005 From: garlangr at verizon.net (Mark Garlanger) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 20:11:20 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Z-100 software In-Reply-To: <200505111349.j4BDmxWZ021466@ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Message-ID: <0IGC00IP8RB0TNX6@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> If there are Heath/Zenith items that need hosting, I have a bunch of extra space at garlanger.com, supposedly my account has "unlimited" disk space. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf > Of Barry Watzman > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:49 AM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: RE: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > A very large percentage of the Z-100 documentation has been scanned (by > me, > mostly) and is available online at the Harte site > > http://www.hartetechnologies.com/manuals/ > > [Note that he has run into a server space limitation and has had to remove > some manuals, including some Heath manuals. They are still available, but > are not online] > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Wed May 11 21:44:59 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 22:44:59 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Z-100 software In-Reply-To: <0IGC00IP8RB0TNX6@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <200505120245.j4C2ivYG018323@ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> I suggest that you contact Howard Harte at the URL below -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Garlanger Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:11 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: RE: [sebhc] Z-100 software If there are Heath/Zenith items that need hosting, I have a bunch of extra space at garlanger.com, supposedly my account has "unlimited" disk space. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf > Of Barry Watzman > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:49 AM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: RE: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > A very large percentage of the Z-100 documentation has been scanned (by > me, > mostly) and is available online at the Harte site > > http://www.hartetechnologies.com/manuals/ > > [Note that he has run into a server space limitation and has had to remove > some manuals, including some Heath manuals. They are still available, but > are not online] > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Wed May 18 06:57:34 2005 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 06:57:34 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Z-100 software In-Reply-To: <20050511013032.SEIB17140.mta10.adelphia.net@VAIO> Message-ID: <000001c55ba0$c7784490$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> Not OT given the Z-100's split personality (though preference would be CP/M vs MS-DOS)! I've got a couple I thought to use for archiving 8" to 5 1/4" disks, but that's still way down on the "project" list. Jack > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Deb and Glenn Roberts > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:30 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > > Hope I'm not OT here - is Z-100 discussion allowed or is this > strictly an 8-bit group? > > > > I've decided it's time to downsize the many boxes of Z-100 > (not PC) manuals and software I've got. Recall these were > full size (8-1/2 x 11) binders so they take up some space! > I've got a wide collection of stuff, most for Z-DOS (and some > more generically MS-DOS) - Lotus, Wordstar (multiple > versions), Condor rDBMS, Z-Basic Compiler, dBase II, MS > Cobol, etc. Some I have 2 or 3 copies of. All with original > disks and in generally very good condition (some never really > even used). Haven't tested most of these so don't know if any > of the disks are suffering from bit rot, though they've been > kept in their sleeves. > > > > My first preference would be to find a home where someone > would use it and preferably preserve it (e.g. scan manuals > and post the PDFs, put the software in the Archives, etc.) > Unfortunately I don't have the time or resources to do that right now. > > > > I also have a few extra CP/M resources (CP/M-85 and Basic-80) > on soft sectored disks. > > > > Any suggestions? If I'm off topic for the group feel free to > reply off distribution. > > > > Thanks! > > > > - Glenn Roberts > > - > > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From rgroh at swbell.net Wed May 18 17:01:11 2005 From: rgroh at swbell.net (Bob And Bettina Groh) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 17:01:11 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Z-100 software References: <000001c55ba0$c7784490$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <428BBB27.7000006@swbell.net> Like the originator of this subject, I am also interested in the answers and discusssions regarding Z-100 software. I have a 'ton' of it (along with 3 Z-100's in my attic ) (and 1 H-89 in my basement) and really need to figure out what to do with it all. On my 'big' Z-100, I wound up with 4 operating systems on it - each in a small partition on the 10M (wow!) hard disk - CP/M, CPM-86 (lovely little system), Z-DOS and MS-DOS. One of these days I'll get back to it. Also delighted to hear that Barry has captured a bunch of stuff on CD-ROM. That is comforting. Bits and bytes to all! Bob Groh, Blue Springs, MO. 'Heathkit Engineer from 1977 to 1981' -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From gfroberts at adelphia.net Wed May 18 19:58:59 2005 From: gfroberts at adelphia.net (Deb and Glenn Roberts) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 20:58:59 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Z-100 software In-Reply-To: <428BBB27.7000006@swbell.net> Message-ID: <20050519005900.JNCN17140.mta10.adelphia.net@VAIO> Well since I started this thread I thought I'd update by saying I tossed out most of my manuals this week (actually recycled the paper but threw out the binders). Must have been 30-40 manuals. Mostly zDOS/MSdos stuff but a few CP/M things that were duplicates. Yeah it hurt. Heath/Zenith was arguably "best in class" at documentation in its day ... times change. (I kept the disks though!) Speaking of CP/M if you haven't read Harold Evans' book "They Made America" I encourage you to look it up at your local library. The book is about innovation in America. He devotes a chapter to Gary Kildall, "the true founder of the personal computer revolution and the father of PC software". Fascinating stuff. - Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf > Of Bob And Bettina Groh > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 6:01 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: Re: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > Like the originator of this subject, I am also interested in the answers > and discusssions regarding Z-100 software. I have a 'ton' of it (along > with 3 Z-100's in my attic ) (and 1 H-89 in my basement) and really need > to figure out what to do with it all. On my 'big' Z-100, I wound up with > 4 operating systems on it - each in a small partition on the 10M (wow!) > hard disk - CP/M, CPM-86 (lovely little system), Z-DOS and MS-DOS. One > of these days I'll get back to it. > > Also delighted to hear that Barry has captured a bunch of stuff on > CD-ROM. That is comforting. > > Bits and bytes to all! > > Bob Groh, Blue Springs, MO. > > 'Heathkit Engineer from 1977 to 1981' > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Wed May 18 21:25:57 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:25:57 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Z-100 software In-Reply-To: <20050519005900.JNCN17140.mta10.adelphia.net@VAIO> Message-ID: <200505190225.j4J2PtYG008596@ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> I wish you and others would let us know before you do that. Some of us are scanning this documentation into PDF files and making it freely available online. I can do that (scan manuals into PDF files) easily, unattended, at over 200 pages per hour **IF** the manuals are unbound, but I can't scan bound manuals without cutting them apart, which I'm generally unwilling to do to my own copies of manuals (although I have done it, a few times). But if I had an "extra" manual .... a manual that I could cut apart, because it were going to be thrown out anyway .... I'll even pay the postage, in at least some cases. And you might have thrown out a manual that I don't have, indeed that no one has. Right now, on Howard's documentation site, there is a several dozen item long list of documents that seem to be "lost forever" and that various people (including myself in about 5 cases) are desperately looking for. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Deb and Glenn Roberts Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:59 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: RE: [sebhc] Z-100 software Well since I started this thread I thought I'd update by saying I tossed out most of my manuals this week (actually recycled the paper but threw out the binders). Must have been 30-40 manuals. Mostly zDOS/MSdos stuff but a few CP/M things that were duplicates. Yeah it hurt. Heath/Zenith was arguably "best in class" at documentation in its day ... times change. (I kept the disks though!) Speaking of CP/M if you haven't read Harold Evans' book "They Made America" I encourage you to look it up at your local library. The book is about innovation in America. He devotes a chapter to Gary Kildall, "the true founder of the personal computer revolution and the father of PC software". Fascinating stuff. - Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf > Of Bob And Bettina Groh > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 6:01 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: Re: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > Like the originator of this subject, I am also interested in the answers > and discusssions regarding Z-100 software. I have a 'ton' of it (along > with 3 Z-100's in my attic ) (and 1 H-89 in my basement) and really need > to figure out what to do with it all. On my 'big' Z-100, I wound up with > 4 operating systems on it - each in a small partition on the 10M (wow!) > hard disk - CP/M, CPM-86 (lovely little system), Z-DOS and MS-DOS. One > of these days I'll get back to it. > > Also delighted to hear that Barry has captured a bunch of stuff on > CD-ROM. That is comforting. > > Bits and bytes to all! > > Bob Groh, Blue Springs, MO. > > 'Heathkit Engineer from 1977 to 1981' > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com Thu May 19 12:21:19 2005 From: RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com (West, Ronald S.) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 13:21:19 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Z-100 software Message-ID: <166B66B7065AB941B06FD395E98C7E8BC4D755@mcl-its-exs04.mail.saic.com> Barry, What documents are needed. Will check my meager pile of stuff (Z-100 & H8/89) and see if there is anything you guys need. Ron - Woodbridge, VA > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Barry Watzman > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:26 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: RE: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > > I wish you and others would let us know before you do that. > Some of us are scanning this documentation into PDF files and > making it freely available online. I can do that (scan > manuals into PDF files) easily, unattended, at over 200 pages > per hour **IF** the manuals are unbound, but I can't scan > bound manuals without cutting them apart, which I'm generally > unwilling to do to my own copies of manuals (although I have > done it, a few times). But if I had an "extra" manual .... a > manual that I could cut apart, because it were going to be > thrown out anyway .... > > I'll even pay the postage, in at least some cases. > > And you might have thrown out a manual that I don't have, > indeed that no one has. Right now, on Howard's documentation > site, there is a several dozen item long list of documents > that seem to be "lost forever" and that various people > (including myself in about 5 cases) are desperately looking for. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Deb and Glenn Roberts > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:59 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: RE: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > Well since I started this thread I thought I'd update by > saying I tossed out most of my manuals this week (actually > recycled the paper but threw out the binders). Must have been > 30-40 manuals. Mostly zDOS/MSdos stuff but a few CP/M things > that were duplicates. Yeah it hurt. Heath/Zenith was arguably > "best in class" at documentation in its day ... times change. > (I kept the disks though!) > > > > Speaking of CP/M if you haven't read Harold Evans' book "They > Made America" I encourage you to look it up at your local > library. The book is about innovation in America. He devotes > a chapter to Gary Kildall, "the true founder of the personal > computer revolution and the father of PC software". Fascinating stuff. > > - Glenn > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On > > Behalf Of Bob And Bettina Groh > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 6:01 PM > > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > > Subject: Re: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > > > Like the originator of this subject, I am also interested in the > > answers and discusssions regarding Z-100 software. I have > a 'ton' of > > it (along with 3 Z-100's in my attic ) (and 1 H-89 in my > basement) and > > really need to figure out what to do with it all. On my > 'big' Z-100, I > > wound up with 4 operating systems on it - each in a small > partition on > > the 10M (wow!) hard disk - CP/M, CPM-86 (lovely little > system), Z-DOS > > and MS-DOS. One of these days I'll get back to it. > > > > Also delighted to hear that Barry has captured a bunch of stuff on > > CD-ROM. That is comforting. > > > > Bits and bytes to all! > > > > Bob Groh, Blue Springs, MO. > > > > 'Heathkit Engineer from 1977 to 1981' > > > > > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Thu May 19 12:51:56 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 13:51:56 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Z-100 software In-Reply-To: <166B66B7065AB941B06FD395E98C7E8BC4D755@mcl-its-exs04.mail.saic.com> Message-ID: <200505191751.j4JHprYG012288@ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> I'm not personally looking for a specific Z-100 document at the moment, but, having said that, by no means has everything been scanned, and by no means do I even know of all of the documents that exist. So for the Z-100, it would be more useful to post what you have and I will let you know if I want to scan it (or others can advise if they would like to have it scanned). The service manual, much of the technical manual and the CP/M-85 documentation, among many other items, have already been done. I am, however, looking for some Morrow "ThinkerToys" S-100 memory board documentation, as well as for some Processor Technology documentation (EPT - "Encyclopedia Processor Technica") and the "Simu" (or "Simucisor") Persci drive diagnostic exerciser simulator program (on SOL-20 cassette tape). Barry Watzman Watzman at neo.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of West, Ronald S. Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 1:21 PM To: 'sebhc at sebhc.org' Subject: RE: [sebhc] Z-100 software Barry, What documents are needed. Will check my meager pile of stuff (Z-100 & H8/89) and see if there is anything you guys need. Ron - Woodbridge, VA > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Barry Watzman > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:26 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: RE: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > > I wish you and others would let us know before you do that. > Some of us are scanning this documentation into PDF files and > making it freely available online. I can do that (scan > manuals into PDF files) easily, unattended, at over 200 pages > per hour **IF** the manuals are unbound, but I can't scan > bound manuals without cutting them apart, which I'm generally > unwilling to do to my own copies of manuals (although I have > done it, a few times). But if I had an "extra" manual .... a > manual that I could cut apart, because it were going to be > thrown out anyway .... > > I'll even pay the postage, in at least some cases. > > And you might have thrown out a manual that I don't have, > indeed that no one has. Right now, on Howard's documentation > site, there is a several dozen item long list of documents > that seem to be "lost forever" and that various people > (including myself in about 5 cases) are desperately looking for. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Deb and Glenn Roberts > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:59 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: RE: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > Well since I started this thread I thought I'd update by > saying I tossed out most of my manuals this week (actually > recycled the paper but threw out the binders). Must have been > 30-40 manuals. Mostly zDOS/MSdos stuff but a few CP/M things > that were duplicates. Yeah it hurt. Heath/Zenith was arguably > "best in class" at documentation in its day ... times change. > (I kept the disks though!) > > > > Speaking of CP/M if you haven't read Harold Evans' book "They > Made America" I encourage you to look it up at your local > library. The book is about innovation in America. He devotes > a chapter to Gary Kildall, "the true founder of the personal > computer revolution and the father of PC software". Fascinating stuff. > > - Glenn > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On > > Behalf Of Bob And Bettina Groh > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 6:01 PM > > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > > Subject: Re: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > > > Like the originator of this subject, I am also interested in the > > answers and discusssions regarding Z-100 software. I have > a 'ton' of > > it (along with 3 Z-100's in my attic ) (and 1 H-89 in my > basement) and > > really need to figure out what to do with it all. On my > 'big' Z-100, I > > wound up with 4 operating systems on it - each in a small > partition on > > the 10M (wow!) hard disk - CP/M, CPM-86 (lovely little > system), Z-DOS > > and MS-DOS. One of these days I'll get back to it. > > > > Also delighted to hear that Barry has captured a bunch of stuff on > > CD-ROM. That is comforting. > > > > Bits and bytes to all! > > > > Bob Groh, Blue Springs, MO. > > > > 'Heathkit Engineer from 1977 to 1981' > > > > > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Thu May 19 12:53:36 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 13:53:36 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Z-100 software In-Reply-To: <166B66B7065AB941B06FD395E98C7E8BC4D755@mcl-its-exs04.mail.saic.com> Message-ID: <200505191753.j4JHrXHI001340@ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> However, I don't think that we have good electronic documentation on the H19/89, and I know that I do not have schematics, but getting the large format stuff scanned is very difficult (although we managed to get it done for the Z-100). -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of West, Ronald S. Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 1:21 PM To: 'sebhc at sebhc.org' Subject: RE: [sebhc] Z-100 software Barry, What documents are needed. Will check my meager pile of stuff (Z-100 & H8/89) and see if there is anything you guys need. Ron - Woodbridge, VA > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Barry Watzman > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:26 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: RE: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > > I wish you and others would let us know before you do that. > Some of us are scanning this documentation into PDF files and > making it freely available online. I can do that (scan > manuals into PDF files) easily, unattended, at over 200 pages > per hour **IF** the manuals are unbound, but I can't scan > bound manuals without cutting them apart, which I'm generally > unwilling to do to my own copies of manuals (although I have > done it, a few times). But if I had an "extra" manual .... a > manual that I could cut apart, because it were going to be > thrown out anyway .... > > I'll even pay the postage, in at least some cases. > > And you might have thrown out a manual that I don't have, > indeed that no one has. Right now, on Howard's documentation > site, there is a several dozen item long list of documents > that seem to be "lost forever" and that various people > (including myself in about 5 cases) are desperately looking for. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Deb and Glenn Roberts > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:59 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: RE: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > Well since I started this thread I thought I'd update by > saying I tossed out most of my manuals this week (actually > recycled the paper but threw out the binders). Must have been > 30-40 manuals. Mostly zDOS/MSdos stuff but a few CP/M things > that were duplicates. Yeah it hurt. Heath/Zenith was arguably > "best in class" at documentation in its day ... times change. > (I kept the disks though!) > > > > Speaking of CP/M if you haven't read Harold Evans' book "They > Made America" I encourage you to look it up at your local > library. The book is about innovation in America. He devotes > a chapter to Gary Kildall, "the true founder of the personal > computer revolution and the father of PC software". Fascinating stuff. > > - Glenn > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On > > Behalf Of Bob And Bettina Groh > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 6:01 PM > > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > > Subject: Re: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > > > Like the originator of this subject, I am also interested in the > > answers and discusssions regarding Z-100 software. I have > a 'ton' of > > it (along with 3 Z-100's in my attic ) (and 1 H-89 in my > basement) and > > really need to figure out what to do with it all. On my > 'big' Z-100, I > > wound up with 4 operating systems on it - each in a small > partition on > > the 10M (wow!) hard disk - CP/M, CPM-86 (lovely little > system), Z-DOS > > and MS-DOS. One of these days I'll get back to it. > > > > Also delighted to hear that Barry has captured a bunch of stuff on > > CD-ROM. That is comforting. > > > > Bits and bytes to all! > > > > Bob Groh, Blue Springs, MO. > > > > 'Heathkit Engineer from 1977 to 1981' > > > > > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From peter59 at sbcglobal.net Thu May 19 13:01:52 2005 From: peter59 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Shkabara) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:01:52 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] H89 docs In-Reply-To: <200505191753.j4JHrXHI001340@ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Message-ID: <200505191802.j4JI1lrS077793@mail.evocative.com> by smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2005 18:01:46 -0000 What specific H89 docs are you looking for? I have some schematics and docs. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------- peter59 at sbcglobal.net - http://www.geocities.com/anapro.geo/ > -----Original Message----- > However, I don't think that we have good electronic > documentation on the > H19/89, and I know that I do not have schematics, but getting > the large -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Thu May 19 13:48:11 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 14:48:11 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H89 docs In-Reply-To: <200505191802.j4JI1lrS077793@mail.evocative.com> Message-ID: <200505191848.j4JIm9WZ007100@ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> We don't have a late H89 assembly or operations manual as far as I know (there is an early set of H88 docs, before the changes to meet FCC class B), and we don't have any schematics of any variant of the 19/88/89, although getting those scanned is difficult because of their size (it requires a large format scanner). [Note, I am only personally willing to scan manuals that are either loose-leaf or that I can "unbind" and, if necessary, cut into 8.5" x 11" pages] -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Peter Shkabara Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:02 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: [sebhc] H89 docs What specific H89 docs are you looking for? I have some schematics and docs. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------- peter59 at sbcglobal.net - http://www.geocities.com/anapro.geo/ > -----Original Message----- > However, I don't think that we have good electronic > documentation on the > H19/89, and I know that I do not have schematics, but getting > the large -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From shumaker at att.net Thu May 19 14:38:23 2005 From: shumaker at att.net (steve shumaker) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 12:38:23 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] H89 docs In-Reply-To: <200505191848.j4JIm9WZ007100@ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com > References: <200505191802.j4JI1lrS077793@mail.evocative.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20050519123634.0c74a2f0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> What constitutes "late model" H89? (I recently acquired what I think is a complete set of H89 docs) Model is 89A and the docs are dated 1981 steve shumaker At 02:48 PM 5/19/2005 -0400, you wrote: >We don't have a late H89 assembly or operations manual as far as I know >(there is an early set of H88 docs, before the changes to meet FCC class B), >and we don't have any schematics of any variant of the 19/88/89, although >getting those scanned is difficult because of their size (it requires a >large format scanner). > >[Note, I am only personally willing to scan manuals that are either >loose-leaf or that I can "unbind" and, if necessary, cut into 8.5" x 11" >pages] > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of >Peter Shkabara >Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:02 PM >To: sebhc at sebhc.org >Subject: [sebhc] H89 docs > >What specific H89 docs are you looking for? I have some schematics and docs. > >Peter >----------------------------------------------------------- >peter59 at sbcglobal.net - http://www.geocities.com/anapro.geo/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > However, I don't think that we have good electronic > > documentation on the > > H19/89, and I know that I do not have schematics, but getting > > the large > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Thu May 19 15:16:04 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:16:04 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H89 docs In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20050519123634.0c74a2f0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <200505192016.j4JKG1YG020490@ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> The H-19A/89A vs. the original H18/88/89. There were major changes made in about 1980 or 1981 to achieve compliance with FCC class "B" emission requirements. All of the boards and circuitry were changed. The late model units have a circuit board on the CRT socket. The early model units only have a socket with wires to the terminal logic board. What you have probably is the "late model" documentation. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of steve shumaker Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:38 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: RE: [sebhc] H89 docs What constitutes "late model" H89? (I recently acquired what I think is a complete set of H89 docs) Model is 89A and the docs are dated 1981 steve shumaker At 02:48 PM 5/19/2005 -0400, you wrote: >We don't have a late H89 assembly or operations manual as far as I know >(there is an early set of H88 docs, before the changes to meet FCC class B), >and we don't have any schematics of any variant of the 19/88/89, although >getting those scanned is difficult because of their size (it requires a >large format scanner). > >[Note, I am only personally willing to scan manuals that are either >loose-leaf or that I can "unbind" and, if necessary, cut into 8.5" x 11" >pages] > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of >Peter Shkabara >Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:02 PM >To: sebhc at sebhc.org >Subject: [sebhc] H89 docs > >What specific H89 docs are you looking for? I have some schematics and docs. > >Peter >----------------------------------------------------------- >peter59 at sbcglobal.net - http://www.geocities.com/anapro.geo/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > However, I don't think that we have good electronic > > documentation on the > > H19/89, and I know that I do not have schematics, but getting > > the large > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From gfroberts at adelphia.net Thu May 19 19:51:15 2005 From: gfroberts at adelphia.net (Deb and Glenn Roberts) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 20:51:15 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Z-100 software In-Reply-To: <200505190225.j4J2PtYG008596@ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20050520005115.PGFT8952.mta9.adelphia.net@VAIO> That was precisely the intent of my posting on 5/10. yours was the only response and it said most of the stuff was already scanned. I took that to mean no interest. Sorry if I misunderstood. I've still got most of the actual paper in a box waiting to go to recycle. If there's something in particular that you're looking for I could try to retrieve it... - glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf > Of Barry Watzman > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:26 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: RE: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > I wish you and others would let us know before you do that. Some of us > are > scanning this documentation into PDF files and making it freely available > online. I can do that (scan manuals into PDF files) easily, unattended, > at > over 200 pages per hour **IF** the manuals are unbound, but I can't scan > bound manuals without cutting them apart, which I'm generally unwilling to > do to my own copies of manuals (although I have done it, a few times). > But > if I had an "extra" manual .... a manual that I could cut apart, because > it > were going to be thrown out anyway .... > > I'll even pay the postage, in at least some cases. > > And you might have thrown out a manual that I don't have, indeed that no > one > has. Right now, on Howard's documentation site, there is a several dozen > item long list of documents that seem to be "lost forever" and that > various > people (including myself in about 5 cases) are desperately looking for. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf > Of > Deb and Glenn Roberts > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:59 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: RE: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > Well since I started this thread I thought I'd update by saying I tossed > out > most of my manuals this week (actually recycled the paper but threw out > the > binders). Must have been 30-40 manuals. Mostly zDOS/MSdos stuff but a few > CP/M things that were duplicates. Yeah it hurt. Heath/Zenith was arguably > "best in class" at documentation in its day ... times change. (I kept the > disks though!) > > > > Speaking of CP/M if you haven't read Harold Evans' book "They Made > America" > I encourage you to look it up at your local library. The book is about > innovation in America. He devotes a chapter to Gary Kildall, "the true > founder of the personal computer revolution and the father of PC > software". > Fascinating stuff. > > - Glenn > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf > > Of Bob And Bettina Groh > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 6:01 PM > > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > > Subject: Re: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > > > Like the originator of this subject, I am also interested in the answers > > and discusssions regarding Z-100 software. I have a 'ton' of it (along > > with 3 Z-100's in my attic ) (and 1 H-89 in my basement) and really need > > to figure out what to do with it all. On my 'big' Z-100, I wound up with > > 4 operating systems on it - each in a small partition on the 10M (wow!) > > hard disk - CP/M, CPM-86 (lovely little system), Z-DOS and MS-DOS. One > > of these days I'll get back to it. > > > > Also delighted to hear that Barry has captured a bunch of stuff on > > CD-ROM. That is comforting. > > > > Bits and bytes to all! > > > > Bob Groh, Blue Springs, MO. > > > > 'Heathkit Engineer from 1977 to 1981' > > > > > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Thu May 19 20:48:54 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:48:54 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Z-100 software In-Reply-To: <20050520005115.PGFT8952.mta9.adelphia.net@VAIO> Message-ID: <200505200148.j4K1moYG011218@ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> It may have been that all of the material which you had was already scanned, honestly I didn't associate the two E-Mails, but what I'd like to see is "I'm going to trash the following material unless someone wants it: {item-by-item list} If you want it contact me at {E-Mail address} Barry -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Deb and Glenn Roberts Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:51 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: RE: [sebhc] Z-100 software That was precisely the intent of my posting on 5/10. yours was the only response and it said most of the stuff was already scanned. I took that to mean no interest. Sorry if I misunderstood. I've still got most of the actual paper in a box waiting to go to recycle. If there's something in particular that you're looking for I could try to retrieve it... - glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf > Of Barry Watzman > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:26 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: RE: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > I wish you and others would let us know before you do that. Some of us > are > scanning this documentation into PDF files and making it freely available > online. I can do that (scan manuals into PDF files) easily, unattended, > at > over 200 pages per hour **IF** the manuals are unbound, but I can't scan > bound manuals without cutting them apart, which I'm generally unwilling to > do to my own copies of manuals (although I have done it, a few times). > But > if I had an "extra" manual .... a manual that I could cut apart, because > it > were going to be thrown out anyway .... > > I'll even pay the postage, in at least some cases. > > And you might have thrown out a manual that I don't have, indeed that no > one > has. Right now, on Howard's documentation site, there is a several dozen > item long list of documents that seem to be "lost forever" and that > various > people (including myself in about 5 cases) are desperately looking for. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf > Of > Deb and Glenn Roberts > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:59 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: RE: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > Well since I started this thread I thought I'd update by saying I tossed > out > most of my manuals this week (actually recycled the paper but threw out > the > binders). Must have been 30-40 manuals. Mostly zDOS/MSdos stuff but a few > CP/M things that were duplicates. Yeah it hurt. Heath/Zenith was arguably > "best in class" at documentation in its day ... times change. (I kept the > disks though!) > > > > Speaking of CP/M if you haven't read Harold Evans' book "They Made > America" > I encourage you to look it up at your local library. The book is about > innovation in America. He devotes a chapter to Gary Kildall, "the true > founder of the personal computer revolution and the father of PC > software". > Fascinating stuff. > > - Glenn > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf > > Of Bob And Bettina Groh > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 6:01 PM > > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > > Subject: Re: [sebhc] Z-100 software > > > > Like the originator of this subject, I am also interested in the answers > > and discusssions regarding Z-100 software. I have a 'ton' of it (along > > with 3 Z-100's in my attic ) (and 1 H-89 in my basement) and really need > > to figure out what to do with it all. On my 'big' Z-100, I wound up with > > 4 operating systems on it - each in a small partition on the 10M (wow!) > > hard disk - CP/M, CPM-86 (lovely little system), Z-DOS and MS-DOS. One > > of these days I'll get back to it. > > > > Also delighted to hear that Barry has captured a bunch of stuff on > > CD-ROM. That is comforting. > > > > Bits and bytes to all! > > > > Bob Groh, Blue Springs, MO. > > > > 'Heathkit Engineer from 1977 to 1981' > > > > > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Fri May 20 00:46:15 2005 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 22:46:15 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] H89 docs References: <200505191802.j4JI1lrS077793@mail.evocative.com> <5.1.1.5.2.20050519123634.0c74a2f0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <428D79A7.70A1@earthlink.net> steve shumaker wrote: > What constitutes "late model" H89? (I recently acquired what I > think is a complete set of H89 docs). Model is 89A and the docs > are dated 1981. There are basically 3 versions: The original H89 (kit or assembled), the H89A (kit version), and the Z90A (assembled unit). Within each version, there were many variations, depending on what options were installed (which disk controllers, memory size, I/O boards, etc.). The original H89 (and H19 terminal) are recognizable by having 10-pin power connectors at the top left corner of the CPU and TLB boards (the large 11" x 10" boards at the back of the case containing most of the logic). The H89A (and H19A terminal) are functionally identical, but have added shielding and filtering to pass FCC class A and B EMI standards. They can be recognized by having 11-pin power connectors (10 pins with one pin cut off) at the top left corner of the CPU and TLB boards. The Heathkit H89A and H19A versions have more shielding than the Zenith Z19A and Z90A versions, to pass the stricter FCC class A standards. The most obvious differences are large sheet metal plates bolted to the backs of the TLB and CPU boards in the Heath versions. If anyone need them, I have schematic and manuals for all of these. I would hesitate to have them cut apart for scanning, though they could probably be copied intact, as they lay flat when opened. -- If you would not be forgotten When your body's dead and rotten Then write of great deeds worth the reading Or do the great deeds worth repeating -- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Fri May 20 03:58:08 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 04:58:08 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H89 docs In-Reply-To: <428D79A7.70A1@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200505200858.j4K8w4WZ017656@ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Lee, it is the FCC class B that is the stricter standard. And my recollection is that there are only two versions, that the Heath and Zenith "A" products are identical, and both meet class B. The FCC made a ruling that all PCs had to meet class B, the tighter standard, regardless of the intended use or market. I would not suggest cutting the schematics apart. The solution is a large format scanner. Kinko's has these, but they charge $25 just to scan one page. Richard Pestinger had University Library access to one of these and scanned the Z-100 schematics, perhaps he can do the same for the Z89 schematics if he still has such access. Barry Watzman -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 1:46 AM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] H89 docs steve shumaker wrote: > What constitutes "late model" H89? (I recently acquired what I > think is a complete set of H89 docs). Model is 89A and the docs > are dated 1981. There are basically 3 versions: The original H89 (kit or assembled), the H89A (kit version), and the Z90A (assembled unit). Within each version, there were many variations, depending on what options were installed (which disk controllers, memory size, I/O boards, etc.). The original H89 (and H19 terminal) are recognizable by having 10-pin power connectors at the top left corner of the CPU and TLB boards (the large 11" x 10" boards at the back of the case containing most of the logic). The H89A (and H19A terminal) are functionally identical, but have added shielding and filtering to pass FCC class A and B EMI standards. They can be recognized by having 11-pin power connectors (10 pins with one pin cut off) at the top left corner of the CPU and TLB boards. The Heathkit H89A and H19A versions have more shielding than the Zenith Z19A and Z90A versions, to pass the stricter FCC class A standards. The most obvious differences are large sheet metal plates bolted to the backs of the TLB and CPU boards in the Heath versions. If anyone need them, I have schematic and manuals for all of these. I would hesitate to have them cut apart for scanning, though they could probably be copied intact, as they lay flat when opened. -- If you would not be forgotten When your body's dead and rotten Then write of great deeds worth the reading Or do the great deeds worth repeating -- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dwight.elvey at amd.com Fri May 20 12:02:52 2005 From: dwight.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sebhc] H89 docs Message-ID: <200505201702.KAA23450@clulw009.amd.com> Hi Why does one need to cut the schematic. Why not just fold it? Dwight >From: "Barry Watzman" > >Lee, it is the FCC class B that is the stricter standard. And my >recollection is that there are only two versions, that the Heath and Zenith >"A" products are identical, and both meet class B. The FCC made a ruling >that all PCs had to meet class B, the tighter standard, regardless of the >intended use or market. > >I would not suggest cutting the schematics apart. The solution is a large >format scanner. Kinko's has these, but they charge $25 just to scan one >page. Richard Pestinger had University Library access to one of these and >scanned the Z-100 schematics, perhaps he can do the same for the Z89 >schematics if he still has such access. > >Barry Watzman > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of >Lee Hart >Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 1:46 AM >To: sebhc at sebhc.org >Subject: Re: [sebhc] H89 docs > >steve shumaker wrote: >> What constitutes "late model" H89? (I recently acquired what I >> think is a complete set of H89 docs). Model is 89A and the docs >> are dated 1981. > >There are basically 3 versions: The original H89 (kit or assembled), the >H89A (kit version), and the Z90A (assembled unit). Within each version, >there were many variations, depending on what options were installed >(which disk controllers, memory size, I/O boards, etc.). > >The original H89 (and H19 terminal) are recognizable by having 10-pin >power connectors at the top left corner of the CPU and TLB boards (the >large 11" x 10" boards at the back of the case containing most of the >logic). > >The H89A (and H19A terminal) are functionally identical, but have added >shielding and filtering to pass FCC class A and B EMI standards. They >can be recognized by having 11-pin power connectors (10 pins with one >pin cut off) at the top left corner of the CPU and TLB boards. > >The Heathkit H89A and H19A versions have more shielding than the Zenith >Z19A and Z90A versions, to pass the stricter FCC class A standards. The >most obvious differences are large sheet metal plates bolted to the >backs of the TLB and CPU boards in the Heath versions. > >If anyone need them, I have schematic and manuals for all of these. I >would hesitate to have them cut apart for scanning, though they could >probably be copied intact, as they lay flat when opened. >-- >If you would not be forgotten >When your body's dead and rotten >Then write of great deeds worth the reading >Or do the great deeds worth repeating > -- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac >-- >Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From ueoguy at yahoo.com Fri May 20 14:22:06 2005 From: ueoguy at yahoo.com (UEOGUY-H.E.ROBT) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 15:22:06 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H89 docs In-Reply-To: <200505201702.KAA23450@clulw009.amd.com> References: <200505201702.KAA23450@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: <428E38DE.3010606@yahoo.com> I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess it has something to do with the auto feeder, they don't take kindly to folded paper? Just Bob! Dwight K. Elvey wrote: >Hi > Why does one need to cut the schematic. Why not just >fold it? >Dwight > > > > >>From: "Barry Watzman" >> >>Lee, it is the FCC class B that is the stricter standard. And my >>recollection is that there are only two versions, that the Heath and Zenith >>"A" products are identical, and both meet class B. The FCC made a ruling >>that all PCs had to meet class B, the tighter standard, regardless of the >>intended use or market. >> >>I would not suggest cutting the schematics apart. The solution is a large >>format scanner. Kinko's has these, but they charge $25 just to scan one >>page. Richard Pestinger had University Library access to one of these and >>scanned the Z-100 schematics, perhaps he can do the same for the Z89 >>schematics if he still has such access. >> >>Barry Watzman >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of >>Lee Hart >>Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 1:46 AM >>To: sebhc at sebhc.org >>Subject: Re: [sebhc] H89 docs >> >>steve shumaker wrote: >> >> >>>What constitutes "late model" H89? (I recently acquired what I >>>think is a complete set of H89 docs). Model is 89A and the docs >>>are dated 1981. >>> >>> >>There are basically 3 versions: The original H89 (kit or assembled), the >>H89A (kit version), and the Z90A (assembled unit). Within each version, >>there were many variations, depending on what options were installed >>(which disk controllers, memory size, I/O boards, etc.). >> >>The original H89 (and H19 terminal) are recognizable by having 10-pin >>power connectors at the top left corner of the CPU and TLB boards (the >>large 11" x 10" boards at the back of the case containing most of the >>logic). >> >>The H89A (and H19A terminal) are functionally identical, but have added >>shielding and filtering to pass FCC class A and B EMI standards. They >>can be recognized by having 11-pin power connectors (10 pins with one >>pin cut off) at the top left corner of the CPU and TLB boards. >> >>The Heathkit H89A and H19A versions have more shielding than the Zenith >>Z19A and Z90A versions, to pass the stricter FCC class A standards. The >>most obvious differences are large sheet metal plates bolted to the >>backs of the TLB and CPU boards in the Heath versions. >> >>If anyone need them, I have schematic and manuals for all of these. I >>would hesitate to have them cut apart for scanning, though they could >>probably be copied intact, as they lay flat when opened. >>-- >>If you would not be forgotten >>When your body's dead and rotten >>Then write of great deeds worth the reading >>Or do the great deeds worth repeating >> -- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac >>-- >>Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net >> >> >>-- >>Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> >> >>-- >>Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> >> >> > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From shumaker at att.net Fri May 20 16:47:29 2005 From: shumaker at att.net (steve shumaker) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:47:29 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] H89 docs In-Reply-To: <200505200858.j4K8w4WZ017656@ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com > References: <428D79A7.70A1@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20050520144136.01668800@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> Your comments are consistent with what I found after using your earlier email as a criteria. My documents are clearly labeled 89a but do not have the small circuit card attached to the back of the crt - it's attached via wires and physically mounted next to the larger video board onthe main chasssis. So no help. The document package did include complete manuals and schematics for the Z-89-37 disk controller as well as several Magnolia products schematics. Are those needed? steve shumaker At 04:58 AM 5/20/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Lee, it is the FCC class B that is the stricter standard. And my >recollection is that there are only two versions, that the Heath and Zenith >"A" products are identical, and both meet class B. The FCC made a ruling >that all PCs had to meet class B, the tighter standard, regardless of the >intended use or market. > >I would not suggest cutting the schematics apart. The solution is a large >format scanner. Kinko's has these, but they charge $25 just to scan one >page. Richard Pestinger had University Library access to one of these and >scanned the Z-100 schematics, perhaps he can do the same for the Z89 >schematics if he still has such access. > >Barry Watzman > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of >Lee Hart >Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 1:46 AM >To: sebhc at sebhc.org >Subject: Re: [sebhc] H89 docs > >steve shumaker wrote: > > What constitutes "late model" H89? (I recently acquired what I > > think is a complete set of H89 docs). Model is 89A and the docs > > are dated 1981. > >There are basically 3 versions: The original H89 (kit or assembled), the >H89A (kit version), and the Z90A (assembled unit). Within each version, >there were many variations, depending on what options were installed >(which disk controllers, memory size, I/O boards, etc.). > >The original H89 (and H19 terminal) are recognizable by having 10-pin >power connectors at the top left corner of the CPU and TLB boards (the >large 11" x 10" boards at the back of the case containing most of the >logic). > >The H89A (and H19A terminal) are functionally identical, but have added >shielding and filtering to pass FCC class A and B EMI standards. They >can be recognized by having 11-pin power connectors (10 pins with one >pin cut off) at the top left corner of the CPU and TLB boards. > >The Heathkit H89A and H19A versions have more shielding than the Zenith >Z19A and Z90A versions, to pass the stricter FCC class A standards. The >most obvious differences are large sheet metal plates bolted to the >backs of the TLB and CPU boards in the Heath versions. > >If anyone need them, I have schematic and manuals for all of these. I >would hesitate to have them cut apart for scanning, though they could >probably be copied intact, as they lay flat when opened. >-- >If you would not be forgotten >When your body's dead and rotten >Then write of great deeds worth the reading >Or do the great deeds worth repeating > -- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac >-- >Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Fri May 20 19:22:50 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 20:22:50 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H89 docs In-Reply-To: <200505201702.KAA23450@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: <200505210022.j4L0MjWZ017978@ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Copying it pieces is very difficult. Some of these schematics are 8 times larger than a typical 8.5" x 11" scanner bed. Unless it's an extreme situation, I'm not willing to cut or fold it (but to your point, I would never cut a schematic, because in most cases, if you are going to stitch, you need overlapping scans anyway). The "right" solution is a large format scanner. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Dwight K. Elvey Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 1:03 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: RE: [sebhc] H89 docs Hi Why does one need to cut the schematic. Why not just fold it? Dwight >From: "Barry Watzman" > >Lee, it is the FCC class B that is the stricter standard. And my >recollection is that there are only two versions, that the Heath and Zenith >"A" products are identical, and both meet class B. The FCC made a ruling >that all PCs had to meet class B, the tighter standard, regardless of the >intended use or market. > >I would not suggest cutting the schematics apart. The solution is a large >format scanner. Kinko's has these, but they charge $25 just to scan one >page. Richard Pestinger had University Library access to one of these and >scanned the Z-100 schematics, perhaps he can do the same for the Z89 >schematics if he still has such access. > >Barry Watzman > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of >Lee Hart >Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 1:46 AM >To: sebhc at sebhc.org >Subject: Re: [sebhc] H89 docs > >steve shumaker wrote: >> What constitutes "late model" H89? (I recently acquired what I >> think is a complete set of H89 docs). Model is 89A and the docs >> are dated 1981. > >There are basically 3 versions: The original H89 (kit or assembled), the >H89A (kit version), and the Z90A (assembled unit). Within each version, >there were many variations, depending on what options were installed >(which disk controllers, memory size, I/O boards, etc.). > >The original H89 (and H19 terminal) are recognizable by having 10-pin >power connectors at the top left corner of the CPU and TLB boards (the >large 11" x 10" boards at the back of the case containing most of the >logic). > >The H89A (and H19A terminal) are functionally identical, but have added >shielding and filtering to pass FCC class A and B EMI standards. They >can be recognized by having 11-pin power connectors (10 pins with one >pin cut off) at the top left corner of the CPU and TLB boards. > >The Heathkit H89A and H19A versions have more shielding than the Zenith >Z19A and Z90A versions, to pass the stricter FCC class A standards. The >most obvious differences are large sheet metal plates bolted to the >backs of the TLB and CPU boards in the Heath versions. > >If anyone need them, I have schematic and manuals for all of these. I >would hesitate to have them cut apart for scanning, though they could >probably be copied intact, as they lay flat when opened. >-- >If you would not be forgotten >When your body's dead and rotten >Then write of great deeds worth the reading >Or do the great deeds worth repeating > -- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac >-- >Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Fri May 20 19:26:29 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 20:26:29 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H89 docs In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20050520144136.01668800@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <200505210026.j4L0QOHI024083@ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> The Z-89-37 is one of the few boards on which we have pretty good documentation, and I don't THIK that we need anything further. Just got a good schematic this week from Peter Shkabara. We don't have any Magnolia documentation, as far as I know. Barry [If the documentation is labeled H-89A, it should be for the version with the circuit board on the back of the CRT. This will appear in the documentation of the terminal (H-19A) functionality.] -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of steve shumaker Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 5:47 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: RE: [sebhc] H89 docs Your comments are consistent with what I found after using your earlier email as a criteria. My documents are clearly labeled 89a but do not have the small circuit card attached to the back of the crt - it's attached via wires and physically mounted next to the larger video board onthe main chasssis. So no help. The document package did include complete manuals and schematics for the Z-89-37 disk controller as well as several Magnolia products schematics. Are those needed? steve shumaker At 04:58 AM 5/20/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Lee, it is the FCC class B that is the stricter standard. And my >recollection is that there are only two versions, that the Heath and Zenith >"A" products are identical, and both meet class B. The FCC made a ruling >that all PCs had to meet class B, the tighter standard, regardless of the >intended use or market. > >I would not suggest cutting the schematics apart. The solution is a large >format scanner. Kinko's has these, but they charge $25 just to scan one >page. Richard Pestinger had University Library access to one of these and >scanned the Z-100 schematics, perhaps he can do the same for the Z89 >schematics if he still has such access. > >Barry Watzman > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of >Lee Hart >Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 1:46 AM >To: sebhc at sebhc.org >Subject: Re: [sebhc] H89 docs > >steve shumaker wrote: > > What constitutes "late model" H89? (I recently acquired what I > > think is a complete set of H89 docs). Model is 89A and the docs > > are dated 1981. > >There are basically 3 versions: The original H89 (kit or assembled), the >H89A (kit version), and the Z90A (assembled unit). Within each version, >there were many variations, depending on what options were installed >(which disk controllers, memory size, I/O boards, etc.). > >The original H89 (and H19 terminal) are recognizable by having 10-pin >power connectors at the top left corner of the CPU and TLB boards (the >large 11" x 10" boards at the back of the case containing most of the >logic). > >The H89A (and H19A terminal) are functionally identical, but have added >shielding and filtering to pass FCC class A and B EMI standards. They >can be recognized by having 11-pin power connectors (10 pins with one >pin cut off) at the top left corner of the CPU and TLB boards. > >The Heathkit H89A and H19A versions have more shielding than the Zenith >Z19A and Z90A versions, to pass the stricter FCC class A standards. The >most obvious differences are large sheet metal plates bolted to the >backs of the TLB and CPU boards in the Heath versions. > >If anyone need them, I have schematic and manuals for all of these. I >would hesitate to have them cut apart for scanning, though they could >probably be copied intact, as they lay flat when opened. >-- >If you would not be forgotten >When your body's dead and rotten >Then write of great deeds worth the reading >Or do the great deeds worth repeating > -- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac >-- >Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Fri May 20 19:28:06 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 20:28:06 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H89 docs In-Reply-To: <428E38DE.3010606@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200505210028.j4L0S1WZ021542@ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Certainly that is true, but I'd never cut a schematic. If you are going to piece together smaller scans using an image editor, you want some overlap of the scans, which is impossible once you have cut the subject document. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of UEOGUY-H.E.ROBT Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 3:22 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] H89 docs I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess it has something to do with the auto feeder, they don't take kindly to folded paper? Just Bob! Dwight K. Elvey wrote: >Hi > Why does one need to cut the schematic. Why not just >fold it? >Dwight > > > > >>From: "Barry Watzman" >> >>Lee, it is the FCC class B that is the stricter standard. And my >>recollection is that there are only two versions, that the Heath and Zenith >>"A" products are identical, and both meet class B. The FCC made a ruling >>that all PCs had to meet class B, the tighter standard, regardless of the >>intended use or market. >> >>I would not suggest cutting the schematics apart. The solution is a large >>format scanner. Kinko's has these, but they charge $25 just to scan one >>page. Richard Pestinger had University Library access to one of these and >>scanned the Z-100 schematics, perhaps he can do the same for the Z89 >>schematics if he still has such access. >> >>Barry Watzman >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of >>Lee Hart >>Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 1:46 AM >>To: sebhc at sebhc.org >>Subject: Re: [sebhc] H89 docs >> >>steve shumaker wrote: >> >> >>>What constitutes "late model" H89? (I recently acquired what I >>>think is a complete set of H89 docs). Model is 89A and the docs >>>are dated 1981. >>> >>> >>There are basically 3 versions: The original H89 (kit or assembled), the >>H89A (kit version), and the Z90A (assembled unit). Within each version, >>there were many variations, depending on what options were installed >>(which disk controllers, memory size, I/O boards, etc.). >> >>The original H89 (and H19 terminal) are recognizable by having 10-pin >>power connectors at the top left corner of the CPU and TLB boards (the >>large 11" x 10" boards at the back of the case containing most of the >>logic). >> >>The H89A (and H19A terminal) are functionally identical, but have added >>shielding and filtering to pass FCC class A and B EMI standards. They >>can be recognized by having 11-pin power connectors (10 pins with one >>pin cut off) at the top left corner of the CPU and TLB boards. >> >>The Heathkit H89A and H19A versions have more shielding than the Zenith >>Z19A and Z90A versions, to pass the stricter FCC class A standards. The >>most obvious differences are large sheet metal plates bolted to the >>backs of the TLB and CPU boards in the Heath versions. >> >>If anyone need them, I have schematic and manuals for all of these. I >>would hesitate to have them cut apart for scanning, though they could >>probably be copied intact, as they lay flat when opened. >>-- >>If you would not be forgotten >>When your body's dead and rotten >>Then write of great deeds worth the reading >>Or do the great deeds worth repeating >> -- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac >>-- >>Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net >> >> >>-- >>Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> >> >>-- >>Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> >> >> > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dwight.elvey at amd.com Fri May 20 20:05:06 2005 From: dwight.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sebhc] H89 docs Message-ID: <200505210105.SAA23711@clulw009.amd.com> Hi All There is a "Software Reference Manual" for the disk operating system on ebay. Someone might be interested here. I have no connection with the seller. #5197654322 Dwight -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List