From sbrown at infinet.com Fri Sep 2 10:15:04 2005 From: sbrown at infinet.com (Scott Brown) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 11:15:04 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Just testing.... In-Reply-To: <42FB97EF.2080904@swbell.net> References: <42FB97EF.2080904@swbell.net> Message-ID: <43186C78.4050506@infinet.com> Anybody out there? Just checking. I haven't received any posts since 08/11/05...... Scott > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sp11 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 2 11:18:12 2005 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 16:18:12 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] Just testing.... In-Reply-To: <43186C78.4050506@infinet.com> Message-ID: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 16:18:12 GMT >Anybody out there? Just checking. I haven't received any posts since >08/11/05...... I am. Barely. I probably won't do much with my H8 for a while since it's still in New Orleans and I can't even get back in yet. Even so I probably won't be back there to stay until the city has power and water again. But I did make it out okay, and there was no flood damage where I was. Shaken but not stirred, -- Steven -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sp11 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 2 11:18:08 2005 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 16:18:08 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] Just testing.... In-Reply-To: <43186C78.4050506@infinet.com> Message-ID: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 16:18:08 GMT >Anybody out there? Just checking. I haven't received any posts since >08/11/05...... I am. Barely. I probably won't do much with my H8 for a while since it's still in New Orleans and I can't even get back in yet. Even so I probably won't be back there to stay until the city has power and water again. But I did make it out okay, and there was no flood damage where I was. Shaken but not stirred, -- Steven -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sbrown at infinet.com Fri Sep 2 12:05:02 2005 From: sbrown at infinet.com (Scott Brown) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 13:05:02 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Just testing.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4318863E.600@infinet.com> So sorry to hear that. Hope all of your family and friends are safe. My heart goes out to all of those caught up in this disaster. Best Wishes, Scott Steven Parker wrote: >> Anybody out there? Just checking. I haven't received any posts since >> 08/11/05...... > > > I am. Barely. I probably won't do much with my H8 for a while since > it's still in New Orleans and I can't even get back in yet. Even so I > probably won't be back there to stay until the city has power and > water again. > > But I did make it out okay, and there was no flood damage where I was. > > Shaken but not stirred, > > -- Steven > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 13:17:37 2005 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 13:17:37 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Just testing.... In-Reply-To: References: <43186C78.4050506@infinet.com> Message-ID: <704e822405090211179d0bce4@mail.gmail.com> On 9/2/05, Steven Parker wrote: > >Anybody out there? Just checking. I haven't received any posts since > >08/11/05...... > > I am. Barely. I probably won't do much with my H8 for a while since it's > still in New Orleans and I can't even get back in yet. Even so I probably > won't be back there to stay until the city has power and water again. > > But I did make it out okay, and there was no flood damage where I was. > > Shaken but not stirred, > > -- Steven > > Glad to see you are ok. If there is anything we can do, let us know... I am just (~500 miles) NW in Dallas. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Fri Sep 2 15:25:46 2005 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 13:25:46 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] Just testing.... References: <42FB97EF.2080904@swbell.net> <43186C78.4050506@infinet.com> Message-ID: <4318B54A.7225@earthlink.net> Scott Brown wrote: > Anybody out there? Just checking. I haven't received any posts since > 08/11/05...... I'm still here. Maybe no one is talking. Got any questions? -- Humanity is acquiring all the right technology for all the wrong reasons. -- R. Buckminster Fuller -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dwight.elvey at amd.com Fri Sep 2 16:51:55 2005 From: dwight.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 14:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sebhc] Just testing.... Message-ID: <200509022151.OAA01680@clulw009.amd.com> Hi I think we are all here, just nothing new at the moment. I was able to get a controller card and a drive box recently for my second H8 so I don't have to swap board back and forth when checking compatability of my code. What I need next is a soft sectored controller. I need to keep watch for one of these. Dwight PS I wish those that were effected by the huricane the best of luck. It does seem a shame that the risk there has been known for years. It was just a matter of time before something like this did happen. Can one say that it was wrong to stay in harms way or that it was wrong to not fortify more? After all, I live in California, near a major earthquake fault. Someday, it will let a big one go. Am I wrong to stay in harms way? >From: "Steven Parker" > >>Anybody out there? Just checking. I haven't received any posts since >>08/11/05...... > >I am. Barely. I probably won't do much with my H8 for a while since it's >still in New Orleans and I can't even get back in yet. Even so I probably >won't be back there to stay until the city has power and water again. > >But I did make it out okay, and there was no flood damage where I was. > >Shaken but not stirred, > >-- Steven > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sp11 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 2 16:56:25 2005 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:56:25 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] Escaping Katrina (off topic) In-Reply-To: <704e822405090211179d0bce4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:56:25 GMT >Glad to see you are ok. If there is anything we can do, let us know... >I am just (~500 miles) NW in Dallas. No kidding. I was in Arlington before Feb. I had been either there or Garland (another Dallas suburb) for 20 years. Wish I'd stayed a few more months. :-( Sorry, but the irony was irrestable. I'll abstain from any further off-topic posts. -- Steven -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Fri Sep 2 16:59:24 2005 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:59:24 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Just testing.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c5b009$9555f580$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> Steven, For some reason I thought you lived in Texas - I guess now I understand why you know the NOGDS (hope I got that right) cards so well. Glad you're OK and hope that you can return soon. Prayers and best wishes for all affected by Katrina and the aftermath. best, Jack > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Steven Parker > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:18 AM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: RE: [sebhc] Just testing.... > > > >Anybody out there? Just checking. I haven't received any posts since > >08/11/05...... > > I am. Barely. I probably won't do much with my H8 for a > while since it's > still in New Orleans and I can't even get back in yet. Even > so I probably > won't be back there to stay until the city has power and water again. > > But I did make it out okay, and there was no flood damage where I was. > > Shaken but not stirred, > > -- Steven > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sp11 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 2 17:00:49 2005 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:00:49 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] Katrina (off topic) In-Reply-To: <4318863E.600@infinet.com> Message-ID: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:00:49 GMT >So sorry to hear that. Hope all of your family and friends are safe. I forgot to mention, all my area family are safe. Some even remained to tough it out. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Fri Sep 2 17:05:36 2005 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:05:36 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Just testing.... In-Reply-To: <200509022151.OAA01680@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: <000001c5b00a$72d76f10$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> > PS > I wish those that were effected by the huricane the best > of luck. It does seem a shame that the risk there has > been known for years. It was just a matter of time > before something like this did happen. Can one say that > it was wrong to stay in harms way or that it was wrong > to not fortify more? After all, I live in California, > near a major earthquake fault. Someday, it will let > a big one go. Am I wrong to stay in harms way? > No reason not to stay where you are, but if you feel nervous about your Poly88, I can store it for you in Illinois. We're a good 40 ft above Lake Michigan and not on any hurricane paths. Jack -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Fri Sep 2 17:07:20 2005 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:07:20 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Escaping Katrina (off topic) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c5b00a$b08847d0$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> > > No kidding. I was in Arlington before Feb. I had been > either there or > Garland (another Dallas suburb) for 20 years. > > Wish I'd stayed a few more months. :-( > OK, so you _did_ live in Texas... -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Fri Sep 2 19:05:57 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 20:05:57 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Just testing.... In-Reply-To: <200509022151.OAA01680@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: <200509030006.j8305sWZ003486@ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Not to get political, but Bush cut the Army Corps of Engineers funding for New Orleans in 3 of the past 4 years, most recently just 60 days ago. The cuts were big (about 50%) and the specific projects cut included strengthening the very levees that failed. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Dwight K. Elvey Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 5:52 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: RE: [sebhc] Just testing.... Hi I think we are all here, just nothing new at the moment. I was able to get a controller card and a drive box recently for my second H8 so I don't have to swap board back and forth when checking compatability of my code. What I need next is a soft sectored controller. I need to keep watch for one of these. Dwight PS I wish those that were effected by the huricane the best of luck. It does seem a shame that the risk there has been known for years. It was just a matter of time before something like this did happen. Can one say that it was wrong to stay in harms way or that it was wrong to not fortify more? After all, I live in California, near a major earthquake fault. Someday, it will let a big one go. Am I wrong to stay in harms way? >From: "Steven Parker" > >>Anybody out there? Just checking. I haven't received any posts since >>08/11/05...... > >I am. Barely. I probably won't do much with my H8 for a while since it's >still in New Orleans and I can't even get back in yet. Even so I probably >won't be back there to stay until the city has power and water again. > >But I did make it out okay, and there was no flood damage where I was. > >Shaken but not stirred, > >-- Steven > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From rgroh at swbell.net Mon Sep 5 11:28:23 2005 From: rgroh at swbell.net (Bob And Bettina Groh) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:28:23 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Two SS SD 5-1/4 inch floppy drives available. Message-ID: <431C7227.3090104@swbell.net> More cleaning up downstairs. I have four of the original 5-1/4 inch drives (full size, SS, SD) used in my H-89s and have decided (reluctantly) that I really only need to keep 2 of them (so I can populate my H-77 if the desire ever strikes me further down the road). That means I should (my wife says the operative word is '...MUST!!...') get rid of two of them. I believe all were operational the last time I used them (back in 1986 according to a label on the drives where I wrote the date and put 'tested ok' on the label) but goodness knows if they are still ok. All of them look great - I picked two of them to offer to the group: Drive #1: Tandon TM100-1A Drive #2: Siemens FDD 100-5 The Siemens has the full sized door to access the floppy; the Tandon has a latch. I can take pictures if you want to see them. The shipping weight will be 10 pounds and add $3 for a box and bubble wrap et al. I'm thinking $15 for both of the drives plus S & H. Anyone interested? If not, it is no big deal to keep them as they certainly aren't that big! OK, so I am ambivalent about getting rid of them! Bob Groh Blue Springs, MO. 64014 -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Mon Sep 5 11:50:03 2005 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:50:03 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Two SS SD 5-1/4 inch floppy drives available. In-Reply-To: <431C7227.3090104@swbell.net> Message-ID: <000101c5b239$dc90bc00$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> Sure, if no one else bites or is in extreme need. I've actually cleaned up enough stuff that I now have room for two more drives. I'll gladly defer to anyone who needs these to get a system up and running. Jack > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Bob And Bettina Groh > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 11:28 AM > To: Heathkit Computers > Subject: [sebhc] Two SS SD 5-1/4 inch floppy drives available. > > > More cleaning up downstairs. I have four of the original 5-1/4 inch > drives (full size, SS, SD) used in my H-89s and have decided > (reluctantly) that I really only need to keep 2 of them (so I can > populate my H-77 if the desire ever strikes me further down the road). > > That means I should (my wife says the operative word is > '...MUST!!...') > get rid of two of them. I believe all were operational the > last time I > used them (back in 1986 according to a label on the drives > where I wrote > the date and put 'tested ok' on the label) but goodness > knows if they > are still ok. All of them look great - I picked two of them > to offer to > the group: > > Drive #1: Tandon TM100-1A > Drive #2: Siemens FDD 100-5 > > The Siemens has the full sized door to access the floppy; the > Tandon has > a latch. I can take pictures if you want to see them. > > The shipping weight will be 10 pounds and add $3 for a box and bubble > wrap et al. > > I'm thinking $15 for both of the drives plus S & H. > > Anyone interested? If not, it is no big deal to keep them as they > certainly aren't that big! OK, so I am ambivalent about > getting rid of them! > > Bob Groh > Blue Springs, MO. 64014 > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Mon Sep 5 12:57:18 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 13:57:18 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Two SS SD 5-1/4 inch floppy drives available. In-Reply-To: <431C7227.3090104@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200509051757.j85HvAXW022609@ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> I'm interested in the Siemens FDD 100-5 drive only ... will that work? Please contact me by E-Mail at Watzman at neo.rr.com Barry Watzman -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Bob And Bettina Groh Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 12:28 PM To: Heathkit Computers Subject: [sebhc] Two SS SD 5-1/4 inch floppy drives available. More cleaning up downstairs. I have four of the original 5-1/4 inch drives (full size, SS, SD) used in my H-89s and have decided (reluctantly) that I really only need to keep 2 of them (so I can populate my H-77 if the desire ever strikes me further down the road). That means I should (my wife says the operative word is '...MUST!!...') get rid of two of them. I believe all were operational the last time I used them (back in 1986 according to a label on the drives where I wrote the date and put 'tested ok' on the label) but goodness knows if they are still ok. All of them look great - I picked two of them to offer to the group: Drive #1: Tandon TM100-1A Drive #2: Siemens FDD 100-5 The Siemens has the full sized door to access the floppy; the Tandon has a latch. I can take pictures if you want to see them. The shipping weight will be 10 pounds and add $3 for a box and bubble wrap et al. I'm thinking $15 for both of the drives plus S & H. Anyone interested? If not, it is no big deal to keep them as they certainly aren't that big! OK, so I am ambivalent about getting rid of them! Bob Groh Blue Springs, MO. 64014 -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sp11 at hotmail.com Sat Sep 10 07:12:33 2005 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:12:33 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] Personal Katrina update In-Reply-To: <200509030006.j8305sWZ003486@ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Message-ID: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:12:33 GMT Okay, so now I'm stirred... Since my relocation (Feb), most of my stuff has been in climate-controlled storage. Well, I found out just a couple of days ago that what I thought was a solid wall above my unit was glass painted with opaque paint. Glass that Katrina sucked right off the building. So my stuff experienced the hurricane, an additional week of weather, and has been sitting there soggy and exposed throughout. I'm back in town now, scrambling to unpack boxes and try to dry out and rescue the contents (books in particular). Another casualty was my H-47. My main H-8 was luckily one of the few things I had in my room. If anyone knows effective methods for removing mold and mildew, particularly from books, mail them to me directly (since its off-topic). Likewise if you know how to release pages that are glued together (I'm guessing from cardboard adhesives that wicked up into them) without harming the print. -- Steven P.S. No insurance. I thought the entire building was brick; and if it had been, everthing would have survived intact. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Sat Sep 10 08:48:04 2005 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 09:48:04 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Personal Katrina update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200509101348.j8ADm0YG023896@ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com> Steve, my most sincere condolences. As many of you know, I have been heavily involved in scanning old computer documentation into Acrobat PDF files, having personally scanned over 20,000 pages. Others are archiving binary files. We've had some "incidents" that point to the importance of this. Steve's experience is one of these, but also as some of you know, Don Maslin had what was perhaps the largest archive in the entire world of old diskettes, including thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of boot disks for old systems. He passed away suddenly and unexpectedly, and his wife knew nothing of his work or collection, which we now believe has been lost. All of us, and all of our collections, are "going away", unfortunately, one way or another, sooner or later. Therefore, I believe that it is imperative that if we want to "save" the history of classic computers for future generations that it be archived and, very importantly, that the archive be widely distributed. Unfortunately, my archiving has been mostly of S-100 stuff, and of Z-100 stuff, but very little H-8 & H-89 -- most of what I have, in fact, is from the sebhc archive. However, I have what I think is the best Z-100 archive available, including the entire TM-100 and Z-100 service manual as Acrobat PDF files. I want to encourage everyone to both archive and distribute both documentation and binary code. Most of the material that I have scanned is on the Harte online library for free download, but if anyone wants a copy, I sell a full DVD for $35, which I believe is by far the best single S-100 archive available (I believe that it's better than the entire library of "Dynacomp" CDs being sold on E-Bay for $10 each). The DVDs are hand-burned one at a time since the collection grows continuously (and is on the verge of exceeding a full DVD). The price includes shipping. If we don't archive this stuff AND DISTRIBUTE THE ARCHIVES, it's going to be lost. No single collection will survive indefinitely. Regards, and, again, to Steve my most sincere condolences. Barry Watzman Watzman at neo.rr.com PS - If you have some documents that you want to contribute, I may be willing to scan them to PDF at no cost, and return both the originals and the PDF file. However, they must be unbound or I must have permission to destroy the binding. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Steven Parker Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 8:13 AM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: [sebhc] Personal Katrina update Okay, so now I'm stirred... Since my relocation (Feb), most of my stuff has been in climate-controlled storage. Well, I found out just a couple of days ago that what I thought was a solid wall above my unit was glass painted with opaque paint. Glass that Katrina sucked right off the building. So my stuff experienced the hurricane, an additional week of weather, and has been sitting there soggy and exposed throughout. I'm back in town now, scrambling to unpack boxes and try to dry out and rescue the contents (books in particular). Another casualty was my H-47. My main H-8 was luckily one of the few things I had in my room. If anyone knows effective methods for removing mold and mildew, particularly from books, mail them to me directly (since its off-topic). Likewise if you know how to release pages that are glued together (I'm guessing from cardboard adhesives that wicked up into them) without harming the print. -- Steven P.S. No insurance. I thought the entire building was brick; and if it had been, everthing would have survived intact. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Sat Sep 10 11:28:05 2005 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:28:05 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Personal Katrina update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c5b624$a036f000$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> Steven, Sorry to hear about your loss, though glad you're healthy and able to move about! Jack > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Steven Parker > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 7:13 AM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: [sebhc] Personal Katrina update > > > Okay, so now I'm stirred... > > Since my relocation (Feb), most of my stuff has been in > climate-controlled > storage. Well, I found out just a couple of days ago that > what I thought > was a solid wall above my unit was glass painted with opaque > paint. Glass > that Katrina sucked right off the building. So my stuff > experienced the > hurricane, an additional week of weather, and has been > sitting there soggy > and exposed throughout. > > I'm back in town now, scrambling to unpack boxes and try to > dry out and > rescue the contents (books in particular). Another casualty > was my H-47. > My main H-8 was luckily one of the few things I had in my room. > > If anyone knows effective methods for removing mold and > mildew, particularly > from books, mail them to me directly (since its off-topic). > Likewise if you > know how to release pages that are glued together (I'm guessing from > cardboard adhesives that wicked up into them) without harming > the print. > > -- Steven > > P.S. No insurance. I thought the entire building was brick; > and if it had > been, everthing would have survived intact. > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dwight.elvey at amd.com Mon Sep 12 18:12:49 2005 From: dwight.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sebhc] Personal Katrina update Message-ID: <200509122312.QAA12813@esrvr46.amd.com> Hi Put al wet books in the freezer to halt more damage. Dwight >From: "Jack Rubin" > >Steven, > >Sorry to hear about your loss, though glad you're healthy and able to move >about! > >Jack > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org >> [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Steven Parker >> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 7:13 AM >> To: sebhc at sebhc.org >> Subject: [sebhc] Personal Katrina update >> >> >> Okay, so now I'm stirred... >> >> Since my relocation (Feb), most of my stuff has been in >> climate-controlled >> storage. Well, I found out just a couple of days ago that >> what I thought >> was a solid wall above my unit was glass painted with opaque >> paint. Glass >> that Katrina sucked right off the building. So my stuff >> experienced the >> hurricane, an additional week of weather, and has been >> sitting there soggy >> and exposed throughout. >> >> I'm back in town now, scrambling to unpack boxes and try to >> dry out and >> rescue the contents (books in particular). Another casualty >> was my H-47. >> My main H-8 was luckily one of the few things I had in my room. >> >> If anyone knows effective methods for removing mold and >> mildew, particularly >> from books, mail them to me directly (since its off-topic). >> Likewise if you >> know how to release pages that are glued together (I'm guessing from >> cardboard adhesives that wicked up into them) without harming >> the print. >> >> -- Steven >> >> P.S. No insurance. I thought the entire building was brick; >> and if it had >> been, everthing would have survived intact. >> >> >> -- >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From rogbirk at wiktel.com Tue Sep 13 05:17:54 2005 From: rogbirk at wiktel.com (Roger Birkholz) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:17:54 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Personal Katrina update References: <200509122312.QAA12813@esrvr46.amd.com> Message-ID: <004601c5b84c$6b99e440$41e5fea9@one> Dwight, Make sure they are well sealed. After the flood here in Grand Forks,ND in 1997 we had pictures that freeze dried and stuck together in the freezer. Roger B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwight K. Elvey" To: Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 6:12 PM Subject: RE: [sebhc] Personal Katrina update > Hi > Put al wet books in the freezer to halt > more damage. > Dwight > > >From: "Jack Rubin" > > > >Steven, > > > >Sorry to hear about your loss, though glad you're healthy and able to move > >about! > > > >Jack > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > >> [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Steven Parker > >> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 7:13 AM > >> To: sebhc at sebhc.org > >> Subject: [sebhc] Personal Katrina update > >> > >> > >> Okay, so now I'm stirred... > >> > >> Since my relocation (Feb), most of my stuff has been in > >> climate-controlled > >> storage. Well, I found out just a couple of days ago that > >> what I thought > >> was a solid wall above my unit was glass painted with opaque > >> paint. Glass > >> that Katrina sucked right off the building. So my stuff > >> experienced the > >> hurricane, an additional week of weather, and has been > >> sitting there soggy > >> and exposed throughout. > >> > >> I'm back in town now, scrambling to unpack boxes and try to > >> dry out and > >> rescue the contents (books in particular). Another casualty > >> was my H-47. > >> My main H-8 was luckily one of the few things I had in my room. > >> > >> If anyone knows effective methods for removing mold and > >> mildew, particularly > >> from books, mail them to me directly (since its off-topic). > >> Likewise if you > >> know how to release pages that are glued together (I'm guessing from > >> cardboard adhesives that wicked up into them) without harming > >> the print. > >> > >> -- Steven > >> > >> P.S. No insurance. I thought the entire building was brick; > >> and if it had > >> been, everthing would have survived intact. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > >> > > > >-- > >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 9/10/05 > > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From rgroh at swbell.net Thu Sep 15 00:18:49 2005 From: rgroh at swbell.net (Bob And Bettina Groh) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:18:49 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: [HEATH-TEMPE] H-89 Computer References: <8d.2f4082d9.3058aeba@aol.com> Message-ID: <43290439.4000003@swbell.net> Two distinct possibilities: 1. good old eBay. H-89s show up there frequently. External Harddrive is an interesting option! Kind of wish my H-89 had a hard drive. 2. drop a line to the guys on the Heath computer mailing list - in fact, I am copying this over to there to see what happens. I have been using both avenue's to selectively reduce my Heathkit computer stock. You will certainly get some interest although you may not get rich! Best of luck. Bob Groh, WA2CKY Note: anyone interested should contact Phil directly at Phil Ernvall wrote: >I have a Heathkit H-89 I built about 1983 plus external 8MB HD and MX-80 >printer. Last time I fired it up (20 yrs ago?) it operated. Any ideas on where >I can find a good home for this? Thanks. >Phil E. > > >----------------------------------------------------------- >Products bought, sold or traded here is the responsibility of the >parties involved. This list and the City of Tempe are not responsible >for losses or misrepresentations of any kind. Buyer beware! > >----------------------------------------------------------- >This list is a public service of the City of Tempe, Arizona >----------------------------------------------------------- > >Subscription control - http://www.tempe.gov/lists/control.asp?list=HEATH >To post - HEATH at LISTSERV.TEMPE.GOV >Archives - http://listserv.tempe.gov/archives/HEATH.html > > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dwight.elvey at amd.com Thu Sep 15 16:07:30 2005 From: dwight.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sebhc] Re: [HEATH-TEMPE] H-89 Computer Message-ID: <200509152107.OAA13316@esrvr46.amd.com> Hi Adding a IDE drive is the simplest. It is just some latches to expand 8 to 16 bits, bus buffers and some software. Ahh. There's the rub, some software. Dwight >From: "Bob And Bettina Groh" > >Two distinct possibilities: >1. good old eBay. H-89s show up there frequently. External Harddrive >is an interesting option! Kind of wish my H-89 had a hard drive. > >2. drop a line to the guys on the Heath computer mailing list - in >fact, I am copying this over to there to see what happens. > >I have been using both avenue's to selectively reduce my Heathkit >computer stock. You will certainly get some interest although you may >not get rich! > >Best of luck. > >Bob Groh, WA2CKY > >Note: anyone interested should contact Phil directly at > > >Phil Ernvall wrote: > >>I have a Heathkit H-89 I built about 1983 plus external 8MB HD and MX-80 >>printer. Last time I fired it up (20 yrs ago?) it operated. Any ideas on where >>I can find a good home for this? Thanks. >>Phil E. >> >> >>----------------------------------------------------------- >>Products bought, sold or traded here is the responsibility of the >>parties involved. This list and the City of Tempe are not responsible >>for losses or misrepresentations of any kind. Buyer beware! >> >>----------------------------------------------------------- >>This list is a public service of the City of Tempe, Arizona >>----------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Subscription control - http://www.tempe.gov/lists/control.asp?list=HEATH >>To post - HEATH at LISTSERV.TEMPE.GOV >>Archives - http://listserv.tempe.gov/archives/HEATH.html >> >> > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From rgroh at swbell.net Thu Sep 15 23:06:58 2005 From: rgroh at swbell.net (Bob And Bettina Groh) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:06:58 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: [HEATH-TEMPE] H-89 Computer References: <200509152107.OAA13316@esrvr46.amd.com> Message-ID: <432A44E2.8000907@swbell.net> Dwight, come on, you can't leave us hanging like that! I have a slew of old IDE hard drives lying around - real small one's (only a couple of 100 MB). Too small for any use on my PC's and now you indicate that maybe adding one to my H-89 could be somewhat simple? I would be willing to throw my hardware design 'expertise' into the pot for doing a schematic and PC layout (seems there is fairly inexpensive board fab houses out there) if someone else in the group can pull together a paper design and someone else can do some software drivers and someone can debug and get every up and running. Bob Dwight K. Elvey wrote: >Hi > Adding a IDE drive is the simplest. It is just >some latches to expand 8 to 16 bits, bus buffers >and some software. Ahh. There's the rub, some >software. >Dwight > > >>From: "Bob And Bettina Groh" >> >>Two distinct possibilities: >>1. good old eBay. H-89s show up there frequently. External Harddrive >>is an interesting option! Kind of wish my H-89 had a hard drive. >> >>2. drop a line to the guys on the Heath computer mailing list - in >>fact, I am copying this over to there to see what happens. >> >>I have been using both avenue's to selectively reduce my Heathkit >>computer stock. You will certainly get some interest although you may >>not get rich! >> >>Best of luck. >> >>Bob Groh, WA2CKY >> >>Note: anyone interested should contact Phil directly at >> >> >>Phil Ernvall wrote: >> >>>I have a Heathkit H-89 I built about 1983 plus external 8MB HD and MX-80 >>>printer. Last time I fired it up (20 yrs ago?) it operated. Any ideas on >>> >where > >>>I can find a good home for this? Thanks. >>>Phil E. >>> >>> >>>----------------------------------------------------------- >>>Products bought, sold or traded here is the responsibility of the >>>parties involved. This list and the City of Tempe are not responsible >>>for losses or misrepresentations of any kind. Buyer beware! >>> >>>----------------------------------------------------------- >>>This list is a public service of the City of Tempe, Arizona >>>----------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>Subscription control - http://www.tempe.gov/lists/control.asp?list=HEATH >>>To post - HEATH at LISTSERV.TEMPE.GOV >>>Archives - http://listserv.tempe.gov/archives/HEATH.html >>> >>> >> >>-- >>Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Sat Sep 17 00:40:15 2005 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:40:15 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] Re: [HEATH-TEMPE] H-89 Computer References: <200509152107.OAA13316@esrvr46.amd.com> Message-ID: <432BAC3F.3274@earthlink.net> Phil Ernvall wrote: >> I have a Heathkit H-89 I built about 1983 plus external 8MB HD >> and MX-80 printer. Last time I fired it up (20 yrs ago?) it >> operated. Any ideas on where I can find a good home for this? Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > Adding a IDE drive is the simplest. It is just some latches to > expand 8 to 16 bits, bus buffers and some software. Ahh. There's > the rub, some software. All the Heath H8 and H89 hard drives I know of were SASI (now called SCSI) interfaces. The host adapter interface boards (that go inside the H8 and H89) and the software for CP/M and HDOS already exist for these setups. Used SCSI drives (from old Macs ,etc.) are easy to get. So this is the obvious route. The main challenge is to find the software to format the hard drive (the Heath PREP and PART programs) for a "normal" disk and operating system. Heath only supplied PREP and PART on an 8" floppy that would only boot and work in their H67 10meg hard disk system. Maybe Phil Ernvall's system has an H67 with the PREP/PART floppy. If so, you can connect a 5.25" or 3.5" modern SCSI hard drive as a 2nd hard drive; use PREP and PART to prepare it for the H89, and then just plug it into the old H8 or H89 card for the H67. Voila! It boots and runs CP/M and HDOS with stock Heath software! A friend of mine (Tom Snoblen) did this, and I saw it working! -- The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From ddl-cctech at danlan.com Sat Sep 17 00:39:18 2005 From: ddl-cctech at danlan.com (Dan Lanciani) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 01:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [sebhc] Re: [HEATH-TEMPE] H-89 Computer Message-ID: <200509170539.BAA15546@ss10.danlan.com> |The main challenge is to find the software to format the hard drive (the |Heath PREP and PART programs) for a "normal" disk and operating system. |Heath only supplied PREP and PART on an 8" floppy that would only boot |and work in their H67 10meg hard disk system. Were the executables themselves really tied to running from that 8" floppy? Below is PREP.ABS in case anybody wants to give it a try... Dan Lanciani ddl at danlan.*com --- begin 644 prep.zip M4$L#!!0 ( / +,3-R9@^N_@< 3 ( 4%)%4"Y!0E/M%6UL&V?Y MG+1)XZ"VZ5IM61&[LR%S$RT?!R1 at LMM04]D7Q_%+FEX"2!L7^V)?X]RYYW.3 ME"8PHA15"UO=2E%1VL&? 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M.%>+VE!PKM6O-7H1= #-&7?"\U=-F !UE*N*^GC.4A3NZVWT(;+V6NLWR&IR M+NBPT%MAAEF&_$*8>'-^DM71!)L S4\BYXVK]?5P/3DSD7VFMY/TXR@"!D9' M(!?8&B>$-2)L/3 /UYGG>JW';56T]?@@V1(]N,^Q[8/<6;9CD'N$=0\RTR\Y MOC985(ZK(%)]J*@&J%?2AZ%LCC\*C(MRO"LP.RC'LL#\G7*L",Q9RO$7 at 4BX M#D/B/8'% KL at L$L"40,FQ>^(,++Y at T!LA OF",6T#A1=:8TE:V(R%X6B]>85N"(SK9-_A_1R\/.Y MP)HY/C<_=>/*><\>@,!L;OT5U:C./?*J.EZ=L[WRZH"16Y]]VIBMSKUW_NEW M5IVUF7.!B9;P9(OJ-">C87-JG_.!G>F; 7/BUY:G%/XRVAL)NU"JW?,O+B< M/[7P+FT6;"L<, at L5)M6-J#(4J$_ -X\<+>/V4]NP#=NP#=NP#?< \[^1T_\) M6XZ6#\L;6V$KDO\__!M02P$"% ,4 " #P"S$S Message-ID: <432FABD9.2431@earthlink.net> >> The main challenge is to find the software to format the hard >> drive (the Heath PREP and PART programs) for a "normal" disk >> and operating system. Heath only supplied PREP and PART on an >> 8" floppy that would only boot and work in their H67 10meg hard >> disk system. Dan Lanciani wrote: > Were the executables themselves really tied to running from > that 8" floppy? I don't know. When I had my H67, I just know you had to put that 8" floppy in the drive, and boot from it. PREP and PART came up with no hint of what operating system they contained. And, this 8" floppy was unreadable by either CP/M or HDOS. -- Every act of conscious learning requires the willingness to suffer an injury to one's self-esteem. That is why young children, before they are aware of their own self-importance, learn so easily. - Thomas Szasz -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From ddl-cctech at danlan.com Tue Sep 20 16:07:29 2005 From: ddl-cctech at danlan.com (Dan Lanciani) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [sebhc] Re: [HEATH-TEMPE] H-89 Computer Message-ID: <200509202107.RAA18680@ss10.danlan.com> |Dan Lanciani wrote: |> Were the executables themselves really tied to running from |> that 8" floppy? | |I don't know. When I had my H67, I just know you had to put that 8" |floppy in the drive, and boot from it. PREP and PART came up with no |hint of what operating system they contained. And, this 8" floppy was |unreadable by either CP/M or HDOS. It was an HDOS disk, but as I recall Heath never supported the H67 under HDOS for general use. One of the third-party hard disk drivers also included an HDOS driver for the H67's floppy I think. Anyway, the PREP.ABS I sent should run under HDOS. If it works ok I can send PART.ABS which is somewhat bigger. Dan Lanciani ddl at danlan.*com -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List