From dkelvey at hotmail.com Tue Aug 1 01:19:09 2006 From: dkelvey at hotmail.com (dwight elvey) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:19:09 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 In-Reply-To: <000901c6b50e$6d728870$6400a8c0@barry> Message-ID: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:19:09 GMT Hi My boards used 4kx1 chips. I located some with the part number 6044 at Anchor Electronics here in Santa Clara, Ca. They were not cheap as I recall. Dwight >From: "Barry Watzman" >Reply-To: sebhc at sebhc.org >To: >Subject: RE: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 >Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:01:39 -0400 > >Last sentence should read "but I think that the Heath boards used the 4Kx1 >chips" > >[I think that the H19 TLB used the 1Kx4 parts] > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of >Barry Watzman >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:53 PM >To: sebhc at sebhc.org >Subject: RE: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 > >The memory chips are either 1K x 4 or 4K x 1, I think that the Heath boards >used 1Kx4 and these are Texas Instruments TMS4044's. There are a number of >substitutes for these (2147 mainframe static memory cache chips are the >best >substitute, but are expensive; the MM5257 is another substitute.) The 1Kx4 >chips were TMS4045's, and were also more commonly sold as 2114's (their >Intel part number), but I think that the Heath boards used the 1Kx4 chips. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of >jmacgraith at cox.net >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:35 PM >To: sebhc at sebhc.org >Cc: WVerish at aol.com >Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 > >Wayne, >Memory chips are available from resellers. My son got me 32K for my h8 a >couple of years ago. I didn't ask him what he paid, but all he needed was >the p/n of the chip and he had no problem procuring them. >Jack >---- WVerish at aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone know where I might get any of the tapes that were included >with > > the H-8 computer? Also I am looking for memory chips (or a source) so I >can > > populate my 16K memory board for the H-8. > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Wayne Verish > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sp11 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 1 01:44:01 2006 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:44:01 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 In-Reply-To: <200607311953.k6VJrumL029091@monisys.caonisys.ca> Message-ID: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:44:01 GMT > > Does anyone know where I might get any of the tapes that were included >with > > the H-8 computer? Also I am looking for memory chips (or a source) so I >can > > populate my 16K memory board for the H-8. > >I have the binary images of the tapes included with my H8 simulator, >available >at my web site below. And all of those tapes, and some others, are available right from the sebhc archive. If you're new and didn't get the info in your welcome message, the archives are at http://www.sebhc.org/archive where the id is "heathkit" and the password "hdos8bit". -- Steven -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Tue Aug 1 05:18:09 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 06:18:09 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 In-Reply-To: Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <006801c6b553$ca3ac500$6c00a8c0@barry> 6044 is probably a military version of the [TMS]4044. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of dwight elvey Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:19 AM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: RE: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 Hi My boards used 4kx1 chips. I located some with the part number 6044 at Anchor Electronics here in Santa Clara, Ca. They were not cheap as I recall. Dwight >From: "Barry Watzman" >Reply-To: sebhc at sebhc.org >To: >Subject: RE: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 >Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:01:39 -0400 > >Last sentence should read "but I think that the Heath boards used the 4Kx1 >chips" > >[I think that the H19 TLB used the 1Kx4 parts] > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of >Barry Watzman >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:53 PM >To: sebhc at sebhc.org >Subject: RE: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 > >The memory chips are either 1K x 4 or 4K x 1, I think that the Heath boards >used 1Kx4 and these are Texas Instruments TMS4044's. There are a number of >substitutes for these (2147 mainframe static memory cache chips are the >best >substitute, but are expensive; the MM5257 is another substitute.) The 1Kx4 >chips were TMS4045's, and were also more commonly sold as 2114's (their >Intel part number), but I think that the Heath boards used the 1Kx4 chips. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of >jmacgraith at cox.net >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:35 PM >To: sebhc at sebhc.org >Cc: WVerish at aol.com >Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 > >Wayne, >Memory chips are available from resellers. My son got me 32K for my h8 a >couple of years ago. I didn't ask him what he paid, but all he needed was >the p/n of the chip and he had no problem procuring them. >Jack >---- WVerish at aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone know where I might get any of the tapes that were included >with > > the H-8 computer? Also I am looking for memory chips (or a source) so I >can > > populate my 16K memory board for the H-8. > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Wayne Verish > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Tue Aug 1 13:15:25 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:15:25 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44CF9A3D.9090407@sc.rr.com> WVerish at aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know where I might get any of the tapes that were included > with the H-8 computer? Also I am looking for memory chips (or a > source) so I can populate my 16K memory board for the H-8. > > > Thanks much, > > Wayne Verish Wayne, If you have trouble making H8 software tapes, I'll be glad to make you copies of the tapes I have. Just let me know. Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 14:00:40 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:00:40 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 In-Reply-To: <44CF9A3D.9090407@sc.rr.com> References: <44CF9A3D.9090407@sc.rr.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240608011200v5d8c52b2y833a66fa09f3ded@mail.gmail.com> Would it work you captured the digitalized sound from the tape (with a sound card), then recorded that sound file back to a new tape? If it does, that would be a nice way to also archive tapes. On 8/1/06, Carroll Waddell wrote: > WVerish at aol.com wrote: > > > Does anyone know where I might get any of the tapes that were included > > with the H-8 computer? Also I am looking for memory chips (or a > > source) so I can populate my 16K memory board for the H-8. > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Wayne Verish > > Wayne, > If you have trouble making H8 software tapes, I'll be glad to make you > copies of the tapes I have. Just let me know. > Carroll > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From WVerish at aol.com Tue Aug 1 15:09:10 2006 From: WVerish at aol.com (WVerish at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:09:10 EDT Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 Message-ID: <566.3248b4d.32010ee6@aol.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 2009 bytes Desc: not available URL: From WVerish at aol.com Tue Aug 1 15:12:27 2006 From: WVerish at aol.com (WVerish at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:12:27 EDT Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 Message-ID: <577.2aad273.32010fab@aol.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 1376 bytes Desc: not available URL: From WVerish at aol.com Tue Aug 1 15:20:51 2006 From: WVerish at aol.com (WVerish at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:20:51 EDT Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 Message-ID: <316.a3d77f1.320111a3@aol.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 1635 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Watzman at neo.rr.com Tue Aug 1 15:19:12 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:19:12 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 In-Reply-To: <704e82240608011200v5d8c52b2y833a66fa09f3ded@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <003e01c6b5a7$c1062890$6c00a8c0@barry> I have done that with the audio tapes from a Processor Technology Sol-20. In fact, I've gone further .... I've burned the sound records to an audio CD, and I can indeed run the programs from the audio output of the CD player. BUT WAIT, There's more! I then converted the audio to an MP3 file, burned that to a DATA CD, and played that on a CD player that can play MP3 and WMA files. And, despite the protestations of almost everyone that it COULD NOT work (much talk about "zero crossings" and "phase distortion"), it DOES work. [The Sol never took the requisite course in analog signals and waveforms, I guess.] However, the SOL system is different than the system used by Heath, so the fact that it worked on the audio tapes for the SOL cannot be extrapolated to mean that it will work on the Heath cassette systems. But I'd venture a guess that wave files, at least, can be saved that way. Saving them as MP3 files is another matter, and is much less certain (or even less likely). Really, someone needs to try it: capture the sound as a "wave" file, [I'd recommend "normalizing" it to use the full dynamic range without clipping], then convert it to an MP3 file, save it on some MP3 media or device, and play it back into the cassette port of an H-8 or H-89 and see if it works. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Garlanger Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 3:01 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 Would it work you captured the digitalized sound from the tape (with a sound card), then recorded that sound file back to a new tape? If it does, that would be a nice way to also archive tapes. On 8/1/06, Carroll Waddell wrote: > WVerish at aol.com wrote: > > > Does anyone know where I might get any of the tapes that were included > > with the H-8 computer? Also I am looking for memory chips (or a > > source) so I can populate my 16K memory board for the H-8. > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Wayne Verish > > Wayne, > If you have trouble making H8 software tapes, I'll be glad to make you > copies of the tapes I have. Just let me know. > Carroll > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Tue Aug 1 16:18:27 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:18:27 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 In-Reply-To: <566.3248b4d.32010ee6@aol.com> References: <566.3248b4d.32010ee6@aol.com> Message-ID: <44CFC523.5030509@sc.rr.com> WVerish at aol.com wrote: > Dear Carroll: > > Thank you very much for your offer to make copies of > all the cassette software you have for the H-8! This is a very > generous offer indeed! Please let me know what it will cost, postage > etc., and I will send it to you. I only have 8K of memory now, but > hope to upgrade as soon as I can find the chips. > > Thanking you in advance, > > Wayne Verish > 8211 Bertha Ave. > Parma, Ohio 44129 > (440) 885-0803 Wayne, No charge. Glad to help out a fellow H8'er I'll get them in the mail, but it will probably be next week. Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Tue Aug 1 16:23:16 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:23:16 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 In-Reply-To: <003e01c6b5a7$c1062890$6c00a8c0@barry> References: <003e01c6b5a7$c1062890$6c00a8c0@barry> Message-ID: <44CFC644.6090307@sc.rr.com> Barry Watzman wrote: >I have done that with the audio tapes from a Processor Technology Sol-20. >In fact, I've gone further .... I've burned the sound records to an audio >CD, and I can indeed run the programs from the audio output of the CD >player. > >BUT WAIT, There's more! > >I then converted the audio to an MP3 file, burned that to a DATA CD, and >played that on a CD player that can play MP3 and WMA files. And, despite >the protestations of almost everyone that it COULD NOT work (much talk about >"zero crossings" and "phase distortion"), it DOES work. [The Sol never took >the requisite course in analog signals and waveforms, I guess.] > >However, the SOL system is different than the system used by Heath, so the >fact that it worked on the audio tapes for the SOL cannot be extrapolated to >mean that it will work on the Heath cassette systems. But I'd venture a >guess that wave files, at least, can be saved that way. Saving them as MP3 >files is another matter, and is much less certain (or even less likely). >Really, someone needs to try it: capture the sound as a "wave" file, [I'd >recommend "normalizing" it to use the full dynamic range without clipping], >then convert it to an MP3 file, save it on some MP3 media or device, and >play it back into the cassette port of an H-8 or H-89 and see if it works. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of >Mark Garlanger >Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 3:01 PM >To: sebhc at sebhc.org >Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 > >Would it work you captured the digitalized sound from the tape (with a >sound card), then recorded that sound file back to a new tape? If it >does, that would be a nice way to also archive tapes. > >On 8/1/06, Carroll Waddell wrote: > > >>WVerish at aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>Does anyone know where I might get any of the tapes that were included >>>with the H-8 computer? Also I am looking for memory chips (or a >>>source) so I can populate my 16K memory board for the H-8. >>> >>> >>>Thanks much, >>> >>>Wayne Verish >>> >>> >>Wayne, >>If you have trouble making H8 software tapes, I'll be glad to make you >>copies of the tapes I have. Just let me know. >>Carroll >>-- >>Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> >> >> >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > I'm feel pretty sure that you could record audio out from the H8 and save it on a PC. I've been working on a cassette emulation device to connect to a PC, and I recorded a tape to my PC with SoundForge so that I could look at the audio waveform. The neat thing about the heath interface is that they use 1200 Hz for a Mark and 2400 Hz for a space (or maybe it's the other way around.) They also transfer data at 1200 bits per second. Therefore, the Mark takes exactly 2 cycles of audio, and the space takes 1 cycle. The bit start time coming from the USART is in sync with the zero crossing of the audio signal. Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Tue Aug 1 18:23:17 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:23:17 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 In-Reply-To: <44CFC523.5030509@sc.rr.com> References: <566.3248b4d.32010ee6@aol.com> <44CFC523.5030509@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <44CFE265.4040106@sc.rr.com> Carroll Waddell wrote: > WVerish at aol.com wrote: > >> Dear Carroll: >> >> Thank you very much for your offer to make copies of >> all the cassette software you have for the H-8! This is a very >> generous offer indeed! Please let me know what it will cost, postage >> etc., and I will send it to you. I only have 8K of memory now, but >> hope to upgrade as soon as I can find the chips. >> >> Thanking you in advance, >> >> Wayne Verish >> 8211 Bertha Ave. >> Parma, Ohio 44129 >> (440) 885-0803 > > > Wayne, > No charge. Glad to help out a fellow H8'er > I'll get them in the mail, but it will probably be next week. > Carroll > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > Ooops! It's going to take a little longer than I thought. I copied 2 of the tapes I have, and my H8-5 cassette board died. I'll go ahead and send the 2 tapes I made, and send the others when I get the board working again. Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dkelvey at hotmail.com Wed Aug 2 01:30:33 2006 From: dkelvey at hotmail.com (dwight elvey) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:30:33 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 In-Reply-To: <577.2aad273.32010fab@aol.com> Message-ID: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:30:33 GMT Hi I got the part number wrong, it was 9044, not 6044. Their price list is on the web. They want 2.95 ea. Dwight >From: WVerish at aol.com >Reply-To: sebhc at sebhc.org >To: sebhc at sebhc.org >Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 >Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:12:27 EDT > >Dear Dwight, > > Thanks for the info on the 4044 chips, I will check it >out! > > >Very best regards, > >Wayne Verish -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Wed Aug 2 08:00:01 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:00:01 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H8-5 Message-ID: <44D0A1D1.5050502@sc.rr.com> Does anyone in the group have an H8-5 for sale? (serial/cassette board) Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From WVerish at aol.com Wed Aug 2 13:59:44 2006 From: WVerish at aol.com (WVerish at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:59:44 EDT Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 1095 bytes Desc: not available URL: From WVerish at aol.com Wed Aug 2 14:07:03 2006 From: WVerish at aol.com (WVerish at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:07:03 EDT Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 Message-ID: <234.48c25680.320251d7@aol.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 1931 bytes Desc: not available URL: From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Wed Aug 2 17:01:54 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:01:54 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 In-Reply-To: <234.48c25680.320251d7@aol.com> References: <234.48c25680.320251d7@aol.com> Message-ID: <44D120D2.4010300@sc.rr.com> WVerish at aol.com wrote: > Dear Carroll: > > > Thanks very much for your *more than generous* offer > to send me the cassette tapes for my H-8! You are a gem! Sorry about > the I/O board, hope it won't be too much trouble to get it working > again. I will keep an eye open on the net for one. > > > Very best, > > Wayne Verish > 8211 Bertha Ave. > Parma, Ohio 44129 > > (440) 885-0803 Wayne, I found another set of tapes that I had made earlier. I put them in the mail this afternoon. Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From WVerish at aol.com Thu Aug 3 14:40:31 2006 From: WVerish at aol.com (WVerish at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:40:31 EDT Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 Message-ID: <526.54f1099.3203ab2f@aol.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 1844 bytes Desc: not available URL: From garlanger at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 16:00:55 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:00:55 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 In-Reply-To: <003e01c6b5a7$c1062890$6c00a8c0@barry> References: <704e82240608011200v5d8c52b2y833a66fa09f3ded@mail.gmail.com> <003e01c6b5a7$c1062890$6c00a8c0@barry> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240608031400y167dafb0n1101fe7bcc5547c9@mail.gmail.com> I don't know how much storage the archives are allowed, but if someone wants to make the recordings of the cassettes, and they are too big, I have web space that can be used to store them. Mark On 8/1/06, Barry Watzman wrote: > I have done that with the audio tapes from a Processor Technology Sol-20. > In fact, I've gone further .... I've burned the sound records to an audio > CD, and I can indeed run the programs from the audio output of the CD > player. > > BUT WAIT, There's more! > > I then converted the audio to an MP3 file, burned that to a DATA CD, and > played that on a CD player that can play MP3 and WMA files. And, despite > the protestations of almost everyone that it COULD NOT work (much talk about > "zero crossings" and "phase distortion"), it DOES work. [The Sol never took > the requisite course in analog signals and waveforms, I guess.] > > However, the SOL system is different than the system used by Heath, so the > fact that it worked on the audio tapes for the SOL cannot be extrapolated to > mean that it will work on the Heath cassette systems. But I'd venture a > guess that wave files, at least, can be saved that way. Saving them as MP3 > files is another matter, and is much less certain (or even less likely). > Really, someone needs to try it: capture the sound as a "wave" file, [I'd > recommend "normalizing" it to use the full dynamic range without clipping], > then convert it to an MP3 file, save it on some MP3 media or device, and > play it back into the cassette port of an H-8 or H-89 and see if it works. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of > Mark Garlanger > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 3:01 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 > > Would it work you captured the digitalized sound from the tape (with a > sound card), then recorded that sound file back to a new tape? If it > does, that would be a nice way to also archive tapes. > > On 8/1/06, Carroll Waddell wrote: > > WVerish at aol.com wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know where I might get any of the tapes that were included > > > with the H-8 computer? Also I am looking for memory chips (or a > > > source) so I can populate my 16K memory board for the H-8. > > > > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > > > > Wayne Verish > > > > Wayne, > > If you have trouble making H8 software tapes, I'll be glad to make you > > copies of the tapes I have. Just let me know. > > Carroll > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sp11 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 5 21:52:00 2006 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 02:52:00 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 In-Reply-To: <704e82240608031400y167dafb0n1101fe7bcc5547c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 02:52:00 GMT >I don't know how much storage the archives are allowed, but if someone >wants to make the recordings of the cassettes, and they are too big, >I have web space that can be used to store them. >>Would it work you captured the digitalized sound from the tape (with a >>sound card), then recorded that sound file back to a new tape? If it does, >>that would be a nice way to also archive tapes. Seems like it would be reasonably simple to convert the tape image files into wav files on demand, so we'd just need to archive the utility along with the tape images we already have, and then you could make tapes from your pc sound card. I remember this coming up before, maybe there is such a utility around already? If not, I could put one together when I get a chance (but it may take a llittle while for me to get to it). The other question .. does anyone have tapes not yet in the archive to add? -- Steven -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 00:39:00 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 00:39:00 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 In-Reply-To: References: <704e82240608031400y167dafb0n1101fe7bcc5547c9@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.28 MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR URI: Includes a link to a likely spammer email Message-ID: <704e82240608052239o493b5ff3nd4a74a706d7bd88f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Steven, If I remember correctly, Carroll was working on that, I thought he had mentioned something about some phase issues he was having with it. I don't remember seeing if he was successful (and I didn't find it in a quick search through my email). Mark On 8/5/06, Steven Parker wrote: > >I don't know how much storage the archives are allowed, but if someone > >wants to make the recordings of the cassettes, and they are too big, > >I have web space that can be used to store them. > > >>Would it work you captured the digitalized sound from the tape (with a > >>sound card), then recorded that sound file back to a new tape? If it does, > >>that would be a nice way to also archive tapes. > > Seems like it would be reasonably simple to convert the tape image files > into wav files on demand, so we'd just need to archive the utility along > with the tape images we already have, and then you could make tapes from > your pc sound card. > > I remember this coming up before, maybe there is such a utility around > already? If not, I could put one together when I get a chance (but it may > take a llittle while for me to get to it). > > The other question .. does anyone have tapes not yet in the archive to add? > > -- Steven > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 01:22:50 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 01:22:50 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Status and some additional disk drive questions Message-ID: <704e82240608052322x18fdeee5u89acca4694d0c94@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for all the help everyone has given, some good news, I now have my H89 with a total of 3 working hard-sectored drives, a second drive case with 2 functional 96 tpi drives and a 720k 3.5" drive (although 1 of the 5.25" drives sounds really loud). Unfortunately, still haven't gotten the soft-sectored controller working. I have 5 other drives with various issues. If anyone has any ideas on what could be wrong or how they could be fixed, let me know. First, I have both an H-17-1 and H-17-4 drive that fail at the first speed (36 mS) during the seek speed testing. All my other (working) H-17-1 get down to at least 16 mS, and the two (working) H-17-4 drives get down 8 mS (lowest tested speed on the hard-sectored controller/diag program, so they should reach their rated 6 mS with a soft-sectored controller). Next, I have a H-17-1 that will just pull down the 12V supply. (The power supply gets quite hot with this one plugged in. ;-) ) I have an H-17-4 drive whose drive light does not turn on (and the drive does not function). The last drive is an H-17-4, whose light turns on, but then causes the computer to lock-up. I also have an H-37 case with a blown capacitor. Is there an easy way to remove the board so that I replace the capacitor? It initially looked like it was screwed in, well I guess it was screwed in, but it is also soldered in. If I could get to the back of the board, this should be an easy fix. Thanks again, Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Sun Aug 6 07:35:18 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 08:35:18 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Cassette software tapes for H-8 In-Reply-To: <704e82240608052239o493b5ff3nd4a74a706d7bd88f@mail.gmail.com> References: <704e82240608031400y167dafb0n1101fe7bcc5547c9@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240608052239o493b5ff3nd4a74a706d7bd88f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44D5E206.2080901@sc.rr.com> Mark Garlanger wrote: > Hi Steven, > > If I remember correctly, Carroll was working on that, I thought he > had mentioned something about some phase issues he was having with it. > I don't remember seeing if he was successful (and I didn't find it in > a quick search through my email). > > Mark > > > On 8/5/06, Steven Parker wrote: > >> >I don't know how much storage the archives are allowed, but if someone >> >wants to make the recordings of the cassettes, and they are too big, >> >I have web space that can be used to store them. >> >> >>Would it work you captured the digitalized sound from the tape (with a >> >>sound card), then recorded that sound file back to a new tape? If >> it does, >> >>that would be a nice way to also archive tapes. >> >> Seems like it would be reasonably simple to convert the tape image files >> into wav files on demand, so we'd just need to archive the utility along >> with the tape images we already have, and then you could make tapes from >> your pc sound card. >> >> I remember this coming up before, maybe there is such a utility around >> already? If not, I could put one together when I get a chance (but >> it may >> take a llittle while for me to get to it). >> >> The other question .. does anyone have tapes not yet in the archive >> to add? >> >> -- Steven >> >> >> -- >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > I haven't had any time to work on it very much. (Been remodeling a house) The cassette audio output is held at a MARK level. (Zero) This is 2400 Hz. If you listen to the audio out, this is what you hear. To output a bit (One) the output goes to a SPACE. This is 1200 Hz. Because the cassette interface is running at 1200 bps, this is exactly 2 cycles of audio for MARK (ZERO) and 1 cycle of audio for a SPACE (ONE). The shifting of each serial bit in the USART is done on the zero crossing of the audio signal. That is, the beginning of each data bit time occurs when the audio signal is crossing zero volts. Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Sun Aug 6 00:52:04 2006 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 22:52:04 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] Z37 Diag References: <704e82240607292035m49fa57b7yf8ce87ad590f3311@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44D58384.162C@earthlink.net> Mark Garlanger wrote: > I booted the hard-sectored version of the diag disk... > It starts up with > "ZENITH DATA SYSTEMS Z37 SUPPORT SYSTEM" > 1. Disk controller checkout > 2. General drive/controller diagnostic > > Choosing option one - First it checks to see if the motors > are all spinning.. and that is fine. > Then it checks the drive select. That is also fine. > > Then it gets to: > "VERIFYING HEAD POSITIONING SYSTEM. STAND BY..." > > Displays the following error: > "NO TRACK ZERO INDICATION. CHECK HEAD MOVEMENT > AND INDICATOR OPERATION." The Z89-37 controller board has two 34-pin connectors for disk drives. You can connect a total of 3 drives (DS0, DS1, and DS2) to these two connectors. There is a jumper block (J4-J7) on the Z89-37 board to select which drive is on which connector. The symptom you describe sounds like your drives are plugged into the wrong 34-pin connector, or jumpers J4-J7 are configured wrong (so the board is looking for drives on the wrong connector). -- Ring the bells that you can ring Forget the perfect offering There is a crack in everything That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen -- Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_ at _earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Sun Aug 6 00:30:23 2006 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 22:30:23 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] H17-3 Power supply References: <704e82240607291316m62e22a50tbcb6f5f09cef0c87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44D57E6F.1B21@earthlink.net> Mark Garlanger wrote: > I just received an H17-3 drive case and drives... there is NO diode > bridge on the power supply board. There is the spot to put 4 diodes, > but two of them are empty and the other two (very top and bottom) > just have a wire there... The original H17 case held two floppy drives. These could safely be powered by the four original Heath #57-42 (3A1 3amp 100v) diodes. Later, Heath came out with a modification to put *three* floppy drives in the H17 case. To make this work, they had to beef up the power supply accordingly. They replaced these 3amp diodes with a bridge rectifier mounted on the chassis for better cooling. It sounds like your H17 has this modification. > the local Fry's are 5A, 100V - I'm assuming that the higher amps > just mean they can handle more and can be used in place of the 3A > ones. Let me know if that is the wrong assumption. Also, Fry's > had a square little 'diode bridge'... rated 8A, 100V... The ratings on diodes, like most semiconductors, are absolute maximums under ideal conditions. So 3 amps is the absolute maxiumum continuous current the diode can carry with infinite cooling. The actual cooling is far from perfect, so the *actual* current has to be considerably less for it to survive. In a bridge circuit, each diode conducts half the time (one half-cycle). So, with a 3 amp DC load current, each diode is really carrying 3 amps for half the time, or 1.5 amps average current. Thus is is running at half its rated current. That's why they survive. A bridge rectifier with all 4 diodes packed into the same case is less effective at getting rid of heat -- each diode heats the others. So they need higher-rated diodes to survive. An "8 amp" rated bridge is actually good for no more than 4 amps continuous due to cooling limitations. -- Ring the bells that you can ring Forget the perfect offering There is a crack in everything That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen -- Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_ at _earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Sun Aug 6 21:23:55 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 22:23:55 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H89 Message-ID: <44D6A43B.2000207@sc.rr.com> I just bought an H89 off ebay, and I don't have any documentation for it. When you turn it on, what happens? Does it boot from disk, or display something on the screen or what? It did try to communicate with me when I first powered it up, but I don't understand smoke signals. Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 22:44:15 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 22:44:15 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Z37 Diag In-Reply-To: <44D58384.162C@earthlink.net> References: <704e82240607292035m49fa57b7yf8ce87ad590f3311@mail.gmail.com> <44D58384.162C@earthlink.net> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240608062044g415b1167ibb887cf1bbb48a04@mail.gmail.com> On 8/6/06, Lee Hart wrote: > Mark Garlanger wrote: > > I booted the hard-sectored version of the diag disk... > > It starts up with > > "ZENITH DATA SYSTEMS Z37 SUPPORT SYSTEM" > > 1. Disk controller checkout > > 2. General drive/controller diagnostic > > > > Choosing option one - First it checks to see if the motors > > are all spinning.. and that is fine. > > Then it checks the drive select. That is also fine. > > > > Then it gets to: > > "VERIFYING HEAD POSITIONING SYSTEM. STAND BY..." > > > > Displays the following error: > > "NO TRACK ZERO INDICATION. CHECK HEAD MOVEMENT > > AND INDICATOR OPERATION." > > The Z89-37 controller board has two 34-pin connectors for disk drives. > You can connect a total of 3 drives (DS0, DS1, and DS2) to these two > connectors. There is a jumper block (J4-J7) on the Z89-37 board to > select which drive is on which connector. > > The symptom you describe sounds like your drives are plugged into the > wrong 34-pin connector, or jumpers J4-J7 are configured wrong (so the > board is looking for drives on the wrong connector). I was initially thinking the same thing, I had it connected to the top connector and set it properly(DS2). It still was having problems. I played with it some more after you said it and apparently the diag disk assumes that you always have at least a DS1 drive. So now I'm past that point. Now option 1 completes successfully. In option 2, I'm able to Format the disk, but when I try any of the other options (even rotational speed) it says: UNABLE TO READ THIS DISK AT ALL. REMEMBER THAT THE DISK MUST BE FORMATTED BY THE "F" OPTION BEFORE THEY CAN BE USED BY THIS DIAGNOSTIC. The initial try was with DS DD and 80 tracks. I also tried SS SD and 40 tracks, with the same error. Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 23:14:34 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 23:14:34 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] H89 In-Reply-To: <44D6A43B.2000207@sc.rr.com> References: <44D6A43B.2000207@sc.rr.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240608062114k59d47159nc2f62ac79695a694@mail.gmail.com> Hopefully, you saw which components lost their magical smoke, so that you can replace them with new ones that still contain the smoke. ;-) I think the archives have some documentation on the H89, but here is some basic information. The simpliest mode is when the 'off-line' key is in the down position, upon power on, it should beep once and then function as an H19 terminal. With the 'off-line' key in the up position, it's a functional computer. When powered on, you "should" hear 2 beeps (although there are reasons you could hear one and still be ok) and an "H:" prompt should appear. (There is a dip-switch on the cpu board to auto-boot, but since the manual actually recommends not to set it that way, there is only a small chance it would auto-boot. ) Once you get to the H: prompt, your options vary depending upon with ROM is installed. All of the ROMs have the 'B'oot option (once you press 'B' the oot will be displayed). Press return at this point to attempt to boot from the first drive on the primary controller. Let me know if you have any additional questions. Mark On 8/6/06, Carroll Waddell wrote: > I just bought an H89 off ebay, and I don't have any documentation for > it. When you turn it on, what happens? Does it boot from disk, or > display something on the screen or what? > It did try to communicate with me when I first powered it up, but I > don't understand smoke signals. > Carroll > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 23:14:46 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 23:14:46 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] H89 In-Reply-To: <44D6A43B.2000207@sc.rr.com> References: <44D6A43B.2000207@sc.rr.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240608062114vc37b071wccc454f26cab537f@mail.gmail.com> I think the archives have some documentation, but when powered (if the 'off-line' key is not down, you "should" hear 2 beeps and an "H:" prompt should appear. (There is a dip-switch on the cpu board to auto-boot On 8/6/06, Carroll Waddell wrote: > I just bought an H89 off ebay, and I don't have any documentation for > it. When you turn it on, what happens? Does it boot from disk, or > display something on the screen or what? > It did try to communicate with me when I first powered it up, but I > don't understand smoke signals. > Carroll > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Mon Aug 7 00:01:08 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 01:01:08 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Archive Message-ID: <44D6C914.2090601@sc.rr.com> Does anyone know where the SEBHC archive is stored? Is it possible for someone to burn CD copies of the entire archive? I would be glad to pay for this information on CD(s) rather than try to download it all. Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Sun Aug 6 23:58:25 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 00:58:25 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H89 In-Reply-To: <704e82240608062114k59d47159nc2f62ac79695a694@mail.gmail.com> References: <44D6A43B.2000207@sc.rr.com> <704e82240608062114k59d47159nc2f62ac79695a694@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44D6C871.5070305@sc.rr.com> Mark Garlanger wrote: > Hopefully, you saw which components lost their magical smoke, so that > you can replace them with new ones that still contain the smoke. ;-) > I think the archives have some documentation on the H89, but here is > some basic information. > > The simpliest mode is when the 'off-line' key is in the down position, > upon power on, it should beep once and then function as an H19 > terminal. > > With the 'off-line' key in the up position, it's a functional > computer. When powered on, you "should" hear 2 beeps (although there > are reasons you could hear one and still be ok) and an "H:" prompt > should appear. (There is a dip-switch on the cpu board to auto-boot, > but since the manual actually recommends not to set it that way, there > is only a small chance it would auto-boot. ) > > Once you get to the H: prompt, your options vary depending upon with > ROM is installed. All of the ROMs have the 'B'oot option (once you > press 'B' the oot will be displayed). Press return at this point to > attempt to boot from the first drive on the primary controller. > > Let me know if you have any additional questions. > > Mark > > On 8/6/06, Carroll Waddell wrote: > >> I just bought an H89 off ebay, and I don't have any documentation for >> it. When you turn it on, what happens? Does it boot from disk, or >> display something on the screen or what? >> It did try to communicate with me when I first powered it up, but I >> don't understand smoke signals. >> Carroll >> -- >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > Thanks Mark. The C9 cap on the diskette drive motor control board is what lost its smoke. The 89 does work correctly off line like an H19, but the CPU part appears dead. It only beeps once when power is turned on. When I gat a look at some docs, I'll see what the CPU board is doing. Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Mon Aug 7 00:03:26 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 01:03:26 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Hard diskettes Message-ID: <44D6C99E.8040406@sc.rr.com> Patrick, Do you still have any hard sectored diskettes for sale? Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 00:17:13 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 00:17:13 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Archive In-Reply-To: <44D6C914.2090601@sc.rr.com> References: <44D6C914.2090601@sc.rr.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240608062217l540e9d9bv267b9406c091f2c2@mail.gmail.com> It's at least FTP at www.sehbc.org, not sure if any other aliases or if there is any HTTP access. The user/pw is: heathkit/hdos8bit I'm currently using wget under linux to mirror the site, but if you use windows, there is a program called Filezilla (based off of Mozilla) that would make it easy to download the entire library if you have broadband. With dial-up it may take a couple of days. If needed, I could burn you a copy of the archive, although it may be a few days before I can get it to the post office. Mark On 8/7/06, Carroll Waddell wrote: > Does anyone know where the SEBHC archive is stored? Is it possible for > someone to burn CD copies of the entire archive? I would be glad to pay > for this information on CD(s) rather than try to download it all. > Carroll > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Mon Aug 7 00:30:46 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 01:30:46 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Archive In-Reply-To: <704e82240608062217l540e9d9bv267b9406c091f2c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <44D6C914.2090601@sc.rr.com> <704e82240608062217l540e9d9bv267b9406c091f2c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44D6D006.9040308@sc.rr.com> Mark Garlanger wrote: > It's at least FTP at www.sehbc.org, not sure if any other aliases or > if there > is any HTTP access. The user/pw is: heathkit/hdos8bit > > I'm currently using wget under linux to mirror the site, but if you use > windows, there is a program called Filezilla (based off of Mozilla) that > would make it easy to download the entire library if you have broadband. > With dial-up it may take a couple of days. > > If needed, I could burn you a copy of the archive, although it may be > a few > days before I can get it to the post office. > > Mark > > On 8/7/06, Carroll Waddell wrote: > >> Does anyone know where the SEBHC archive is stored? Is it possible for >> someone to burn CD copies of the entire archive? I would be glad to pay >> for this information on CD(s) rather than try to download it all. >> Carroll >> -- >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > I downloaded a bunch of it many months ago, but I'm not sure what I have now verses what is there now. I do use Mozilla thunderbird for email, and Mozilla for internet. My OS is xandros which is a version of Linux. I may see what I can find on Filezilla and see if I can figure out how to download the whole library. Thanks Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 01:22:46 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 01:22:46 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Archive In-Reply-To: <44D6D006.9040308@sc.rr.com> References: <44D6C914.2090601@sc.rr.com> <704e82240608062217l540e9d9bv267b9406c091f2c2@mail.gmail.com> <44D6D006.9040308@sc.rr.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240608062322h4561211ay777a7633558a89bb@mail.gmail.com> gmail seems to be having issues, sorry if you receive this twice Since you're using linux, you should have or be able to install wget then. I'm not sure how much Linux/Unix experience you have, so some of this may be obvious to you. Once you have wget, create a text file with the following: #!/bin/sh wget -a mirror.log -nv -w 1 --mirror ftp://heathkit:hdos8bit at www.sebhc.org/ On my system, I named it 'mirrorSebhc', put it into a new 'heath' directory. And make sure it's executable: chmod +x mirrorSebhc The first time you run it, it will create a 'www.sebhc.org' subdirectory and download the entire archives into that directory. The next time you run it, it will only download new/modified files, but it still takes a little while for it to determine what, if any, changes are on the site. Usually, I just run it about once a month or when someone announces new files. I'm not sure how much of a load it puts on the server, otherwise I'd probably put it into a nightly crontab. The script does have a 1 sec delay between retrievals to lessen the impact and still download in a reasonable amount of time. It will also creates a file name 'mirror.log' in the current directory showing everything it's done. Mark On 8/7/06, Carroll Waddell wrote: > Mark Garlanger wrote: > > > It's at least FTP at www.sehbc.org, not sure if any other aliases or > > if there > > is any HTTP access. The user/pw is: heathkit/hdos8bit > > > > I'm currently using wget under linux to mirror the site, but if you use > > windows, there is a program called Filezilla (based off of Mozilla) that > > would make it easy to download the entire library if you have broadband. > > With dial-up it may take a couple of days. > > > > If needed, I could burn you a copy of the archive, although it may be > > a few > > days before I can get it to the post office. > > > > Mark > > > > On 8/7/06, Carroll Waddell wrote: > > > >> Does anyone know where the SEBHC archive is stored? Is it possible for > >> someone to burn CD copies of the entire archive? I would be glad to pay > >> for this information on CD(s) rather than try to download it all. > >> Carroll > >> -- > >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > >> > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > I downloaded a bunch of it many months ago, but I'm not sure what I have > now verses what is there now. > I do use Mozilla thunderbird for email, and Mozilla for internet. My OS > is xandros which is a version of Linux. > I may see what I can find on Filezilla and see if I can figure out how > to download the whole library. > Thanks > Carroll > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 01:27:51 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 01:27:51 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Archive In-Reply-To: <704e82240608062322h4561211ay777a7633558a89bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <44D6C914.2090601@sc.rr.com> <704e82240608062217l540e9d9bv267b9406c091f2c2@mail.gmail.com> <44D6D006.9040308@sc.rr.com> <704e82240608062322h4561211ay777a7633558a89bb@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240608062327m3afa849as3346290caea52513@mail.gmail.com> It appears that there are files in the upload directory from Feb which haven't been moved to a location which they can be download yet. Can we get these moved? -rw-rw---- 1 3070 sebhc 290066 May 20 2005 442-617_618_01.jpg -rw-rw---- 1 3070 sebhc 291048 Feb 27 2005 442-617_618_02.jpg -rw-rw---- 1 3070 sebhc 260940 Feb 27 2005 442-617_618_03.jpg -rw-rw---- 1 3070 sebhc 272556 Feb 27 2005 442-617_618_04.jpg -rw-rw---- 1 3070 sebhc 102400 Jul 25 14:55 885-1062A_VIII--DsmDumpDupMemtest.h8d -rw-rw---- 1 3070 sebhc 4841 Jul 25 14:52 H89LDR9_Patch-DJnotes.zip -rw-rw---- 1 3070 sebhc 102400 Jul 25 14:53 REACH_Modem_and_File_Transfer_by_WB_SoftwareToolworks.h8d -rw-rw-r-- 2 3070 sebhc 452 Apr 21 2004 README-UPLOAD-HOWTO -rw-rw---- 1 3070 sebhc 102400 Mar 27 20:20 c80v20.h17 -rw-rw---- 1 3070 sebhc 102400 Mar 27 20:18 c80v31d1.h17 -rw-rw---- 1 3070 sebhc 102400 Mar 27 20:18 c80v31d2.h17 -rw-rw---- 1 3070 sebhc 102400 Mar 27 20:19 c80v31mp.h17 -rw-rw-r-- 1 7002 sebhc 1732768 Mar 27 16:22 davidwdisks.tgz -rw-rw---- 1 3070 sebhc 74039 Dec 15 2005 mtrs.zip -rw-rw---- 1 3070 sebhc 102400 Mar 27 20:19 pie15.img Thanks, Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sp11 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 7 12:42:08 2006 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:42:08 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] Archive In-Reply-To: <704e82240608062327m3afa849as3346290caea52513@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:42:08 GMT >It's at least FTP at www.sehbc.org, not sure if any other aliases or if >there is any HTTP access. The user/pw is: heathkit/hdos8bit HTTP access at http://www.sebhc.org/archive using the same credentials. Some areas have additional comments on files when viewed this way. >It appears that there are files in the upload directory from Feb which >haven't been moved to a location which they can be download yet. Can >we get these moved? Even though the incoming area hasn't been cleared, these do appear to have been copied to the appropriate area of the regular archive. -- Steven -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 12:58:52 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:58:52 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Archive In-Reply-To: References: <704e82240608062327m3afa849as3346290caea52513@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.28 MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR URI: Includes a link to a likely spammer email Message-ID: <704e82240608071058m6fe81e25j7016dbd4d6fed719@mail.gmail.com> Thats good. Some of the names must have changed too, since I did a 'find' with the filename and it didn't find them. I'll look closer tonight to see where the files ended up. Thanks, Mark On 8/7/06, Steven Parker wrote: > > Even though the incoming area hasn't been cleared, these do appear to have > been copied to the appropriate area of the regular archive. > > -- Steven > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From WVerish at aol.com Mon Aug 7 14:09:21 2006 From: WVerish at aol.com (WVerish at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:09:21 EDT Subject: [sebhc] Re: thanks for the H-8 tapes Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 1674 bytes Desc: not available URL: From garlanger at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 23:07:56 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:07:56 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] 12V supply for Disk Drives question Message-ID: <704e82240608072107i4a24f6aew6bb9f4704eafefe1@mail.gmail.com> With a little effort, I was finally able to get to the back of the power supply board to replace the blown capacitor in my Z-37 case. Now, without a load, the 12V line is reading only 11.6 V. Is this within spec, or does it look like the voltage regulator (or maybe one of the other capacitors) need to be replaced? I've check the voltage going into the 12V regulator, it's almost 21V which should be fine, since the manual shows that it should be 18V. Thanks, Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Tue Aug 8 08:43:01 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:43:01 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] 12V supply for Disk Drives question In-Reply-To: <704e82240608072107i4a24f6aew6bb9f4704eafefe1@mail.gmail.com> References: <704e82240608072107i4a24f6aew6bb9f4704eafefe1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44D894E5.2020108@sc.rr.com> Mark Garlanger wrote: > With a little effort, I was finally able to get to the back of the > power supply board to replace the blown capacitor in my Z-37 case. > Now, without a load, the 12V line is reading only 11.6 V. Is this > within spec, or does it look like the voltage regulator (or maybe one > of the other capacitors) need to be replaced? I've check the voltage > going into the 12V regulator, it's almost 21V which should be fine, > since the manual shows that it should be 18V. > > Thanks, > Mark > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > 11.6 might be ok. That's about 3% off. But if you have trouble still, I'd look for any AC ripple on the DC voltage. Use an AC meter or a scope. Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Tue Aug 8 10:26:46 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:26:46 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] 12V supply for Disk Drives question In-Reply-To: <44D894E5.2020108@sc.rr.com> References: <704e82240608072107i4a24f6aew6bb9f4704eafefe1@mail.gmail.com> <44D894E5.2020108@sc.rr.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240608080826g4f3db973l2a44f010c4bef1de@mail.gmail.com> Do I just measure the 12V supply, but have the DMM set to Vac in order to see the ripple? Thanks, Mark On 8/8/06, Carroll Waddell wrote: > Mark Garlanger wrote: > > > With a little effort, I was finally able to get to the back of the > > power supply board to replace the blown capacitor in my Z-37 case. > > Now, without a load, the 12V line is reading only 11.6 V. Is this > > within spec, or does it look like the voltage regulator (or maybe one > > of the other capacitors) need to be replaced? I've check the voltage > > going into the 12V regulator, it's almost 21V which should be fine, > > since the manual shows that it should be 18V. > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > 11.6 might be ok. That's about 3% off. But if you have trouble still, > I'd look for any AC ripple on the DC voltage. Use an AC meter or a scope. > Carroll > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Tue Aug 8 12:27:33 2006 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:27:33 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] 12V supply for Disk Drives question References: <704e82240608072107i4a24f6aew6bb9f4704eafefe1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44D8C985.6C82@earthlink.net> Mark Garlanger wrote: > With a little effort, I was finally able to get to the back of the > power supply board to replace the blown capacitor in my Z-37 case. > Now, without a load, the 12V line is reading only 11.6 V. Is this > within spec, or does it look like the voltage regulator (or maybe one > of the other capacitors) need to be replaced? The regulators have a tolerance of about +/-5%. 11.6v is 3.3% low -- it's within specs. -- "Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has!" -- Margaret Mead -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Tue Aug 8 11:41:57 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:41:57 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] 12V supply for Disk Drives question In-Reply-To: <704e82240608080826g4f3db973l2a44f010c4bef1de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005801c6bb09$908d7fd0$6c00a8c0@barry> No, you would need an oscilloscope to evaluate this properly. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Garlanger Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:27 AM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] 12V supply for Disk Drives question Do I just measure the 12V supply, but have the DMM set to Vac in order to see the ripple? Thanks, Mark On 8/8/06, Carroll Waddell wrote: > Mark Garlanger wrote: > > > With a little effort, I was finally able to get to the back of the > > power supply board to replace the blown capacitor in my Z-37 case. > > Now, without a load, the 12V line is reading only 11.6 V. Is this > > within spec, or does it look like the voltage regulator (or maybe one > > of the other capacitors) need to be replaced? I've check the voltage > > going into the 12V regulator, it's almost 21V which should be fine, > > since the manual shows that it should be 18V. > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > 11.6 might be ok. That's about 3% off. But if you have trouble still, > I'd look for any AC ripple on the DC voltage. Use an AC meter or a scope. > Carroll > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Tue Aug 8 20:08:32 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:08:32 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Wayne Message-ID: <44D93590.4070601@sc.rr.com> Thanks for the CD. As a retired IBM engineer, I enjoyed looking at pictures of the old equipment I used to work with. Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From gfroberts at adelphia.net Tue Aug 8 21:05:27 2006 From: gfroberts at adelphia.net (Glenn Roberts) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:05:27 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] SY1: not working Message-ID: <003101c6bb58$48fc5390$6501a8c0@shuttle> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 3178 bytes Desc: not available URL: From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Wed Aug 9 07:34:16 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 08:34:16 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] SY1: not working In-Reply-To: <003101c6bb58$48fc5390$6501a8c0@shuttle> References: <003101c6bb58$48fc5390$6501a8c0@shuttle> Message-ID: <44D9D648.3040307@sc.rr.com> Glenn Roberts wrote: > i have a two-drive H8/H17 setup and the second drive (SY1:) has a > problem. when i run TEST17 I can get rotational speed but the disk > fails anything that requires read/write (it acts as if there is an > unformatted disk in the drive). I swapped the jumper blocks with SY0: > and the problem continues to exist, which tells me it's the drive, not > the controller. The drive is the Siemens "garage door" type (FDD > 100-5B). I have the OEM manual that came with it but it's mostly on > installation - not really any diagnostic information. Is there a scan > of the service manual available somewhere? > > anyone have suggestions on how to debug this? yeah I know I could try > and buy an old PC drive on eBay but i'd prefer to try and get this > drive working if possible (after all, I paid something like $400 bucks > for this 25 years ago!). I don't think it's a dirty head (cleaned it > not too long ago) but I'll check again. > > thoughts welcome! > > - Glenn > Glenn, If I understand, the drive fails whether it's jumpered as SY0 or SY1. If that's the case, the H8-17 drive controller book has some good diagnostic checks and the waveforms for reading and writing. I don't have a service manual for the drive, but I do have the circuit board schematics. If you want, I can send them to you. Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com Wed Aug 9 09:31:30 2006 From: RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com (West, Ronald S.) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 10:31:30 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] SY1: not working Message-ID: <58FCC1586AD7884BB367EA05255643BC01D3D499@0015-its-exmb05.us.saic.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 4409 bytes Desc: not available URL: From WVerish at aol.com Thu Aug 10 14:02:07 2006 From: WVerish at aol.com (WVerish at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:02:07 EDT Subject: [sebhc] Wayne Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 2768 bytes Desc: not available URL: From garlanger at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 17:25:55 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:25:55 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] PCWorld article mention of the H-89. Message-ID: <704e82240608121525s2e0fd935vbc7e3a5989dc7f02@mail.gmail.com> With the IBM PC's 25th birthday, PC World has a couple of articles about historical PCs. The H89 didn't make their first one: "the 25 greatest PCs of All Time" But did make the runner-up article "the 25 near-greatest PCs of All Time". http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,126692-page,11-c,systems/article.html The H-89 was the only Heath computer I saw mentioned in either article. ---------- Heathkit H-89 (1979): When do-it-yourselfers wanted to build gadgets in the 1970s, they turned to Heathkit, and this $1800 computer kit made assembling your own color TV pass?. It ran either H-DOS or CP/M, included a 90KB floppy disk drive, and was also sold in fully assembled form as the Zenith Z-89. ---------- -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From lifo at pacbell.net Sat Aug 12 18:20:08 2006 From: lifo at pacbell.net (Erik Klein) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:20:08 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] PCWorld article mention of the H-89. In-Reply-To: <704e82240608121525s2e0fd935vbc7e3a5989dc7f02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <021b01c6be65$dab028b0$6401a8c0@NFORCE4> I'm not particularly impressed with the list myself. I like the Apple ][, but it's not even the number one greatest PC that Apple ever created, more or less the number one of all time. Some machines on their list don't belong on a top 100 list. Such are the nature of opinions, I guess. At least he didn't misquote me. :) Erik Klein www.vintage-computer.com www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum The Vintage Computer Forum -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Garlanger Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 3:26 PM To: sebhc Subject: [sebhc] PCWorld article mention of the H-89. With the IBM PC's 25th birthday, PC World has a couple of articles about historical PCs. The H89 didn't make their first one: "the 25 greatest PCs of All Time" But did make the runner-up article "the 25 near-greatest PCs of All Time". http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,126692-page,11-c,systems/article.html The H-89 was the only Heath computer I saw mentioned in either article. ---------- Heathkit H-89 (1979): When do-it-yourselfers wanted to build gadgets in the 1970s, they turned to Heathkit, and this $1800 computer kit made assembling your own color TV pass?. It ran either H-DOS or CP/M, included a 90KB floppy disk drive, and was also sold in fully assembled form as the Zenith Z-89. ---------- -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Sat Aug 12 19:53:04 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:53:04 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Wayne In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44DE77F0.2040900@sc.rr.com> WVerish at aol.com wrote: > Dear Carroll: > > I am glad you enjoyed the disk. I told my wife that > you must be some sort of engineer because of all the great help you > have been. I babysat an IBM 1440 way" back in the day" when I was > earning extra money for college, and it was a great experience. I was > lucky to get the job, even if it was only during the holidays. > > The tapes loaded well, and I feel better knowing I > can keep them as a backup if I run into problems with my copies. I > have been scouring the net for more memory so I can write bigger BASIC > programs that can handle strings. If you should come across anything > in your net surfing I would appreciate it if you drop me a line. > > > Very best to you and your family, > > Wayne What kind of memory are you looking for? What memory boards do you have now? I designed and built a 64K memory board that I am using in my H8. Mine is on an H8 wire wrap prototype board. I have made one board, but I gave it to a member of the group. If there were enough interest in the group, I could get some PCB's made. Let me know what you're looking for, and I'll keep an eye out. Carroll PS. I remember the 1440. plus the 1401, 1402, 1403, 1442, 1130, 1800, System 360, System 7, Series 1, RISC 6000, old iron, keypunch, and on and on -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 23:35:57 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:35:57 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] PCWorld article mention of the H-89. In-Reply-To: <021b01c6be65$dab028b0$6401a8c0@NFORCE4> References: <704e82240608121525s2e0fd935vbc7e3a5989dc7f02@mail.gmail.com> <021b01c6be65$dab028b0$6401a8c0@NFORCE4> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240608122135o6bb17438u969082936a25e077@mail.gmail.com> Yea, I was kinda surprised at some of the newer laptops they had in the top 25. They didn't seem like anything that special. Oh well, it's just one view of it. Mark On 8/12/06, Erik Klein wrote: > I'm not particularly impressed with the list myself. > > I like the Apple ][, but it's not even the number one greatest PC that Apple > ever created, more or less the number one of all time. > > Some machines on their list don't belong on a top 100 list. > > Such are the nature of opinions, I guess. > > At least he didn't misquote me. :) > > Erik Klein > www.vintage-computer.com > www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum > The Vintage Computer Forum > > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of > Mark Garlanger > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 3:26 PM > To: sebhc > Subject: [sebhc] PCWorld article mention of the H-89. > > With the IBM PC's 25th birthday, PC World has a couple of articles > about historical PCs. The H89 didn't make their first one: "the 25 > greatest PCs of All Time" But did make the runner-up article "the 25 > near-greatest PCs of All Time". > http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,126692-page,11-c,systems/article.html > > The H-89 was the only Heath computer I saw mentioned in either article. > ---------- > Heathkit H-89 (1979): When do-it-yourselfers wanted to build gadgets > in the 1970s, they turned to Heathkit, and this $1800 computer kit > made assembling your own color TV pass?. It ran either H-DOS or CP/M, > included a 90KB floppy disk drive, and was also sold in fully > assembled form as the Zenith Z-89. > ---------- > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From WVerish at aol.com Sun Aug 13 19:11:05 2006 From: WVerish at aol.com (WVerish at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:11:05 EDT Subject: [sebhc] memory for the h-8 Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 2296 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Watzman at neo.rr.com Sun Aug 13 19:33:58 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:33:58 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] memory for the h-8 In-Reply-To: Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <001c01c6bf39$551c31b0$6c00a8c0@barry> The MM5257 is a compatible replacement chip. Also, I believe that the 2147 mainframe cache chip is a direct substitute for the TMS4044 (the 2147 is a LOT faster, down around 35 microseconds (vs. 200 to 450 for the TMS4044). There was an S-100 memory board on E-Bay this weekend using 4044's. That's the best way to buy these chips, buy an entire memory board with typically 16k or 32k worth of the chips at $10 to $25 for the entire board. Barry Watzman Watzman at neo.rr.com _____ From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of WVerish at aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 8:11 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] memory for the h-8 Dear Carroll: I have a 16 k static RAM memory board that came with my H-8, but it is un-populated. The chips required for it are TMS4044 chipsThey are 4096 by 1 bit. The computer currently has only 8K of static RAM installed. This makes it very hard to write any real BASIC programs due to the lack of string handling capability with only B.H. BASIC instead of extended B.H. BASIC. I know that my 16K board could probably work with other chips, but due to their cost I really can't afford to make a mistake. Any ideas? Thanks, Wayne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 4515 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Watzman at neo.rr.com Sun Aug 13 20:34:08 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:34:08 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] memory for the h-8 In-Reply-To: <081420060039.983.44DFC63F0006137C000003D72206424613CFCFCFCD0A0C0E04040E990B07900E0B@comcast.net> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.28 MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR URI: Includes a link to a likely spammer email Message-ID: <002701c6bf41$bcdff090$6c00a8c0@barry> The part you found was probably a variant of the 6116, 2K x 8 "byte wide". These have compatible pinouts with EPROMs (in this case, a 2716). I know that there is also a 6164, which is 8K x8; 8 of these will give you a full 64k (but you would have to emulate the H8's "extended configuration card" to allow both "normal" (e.g. HDOS and monitor ROM) operation, and an all-RAM configuration for CP/M. There might be a 64K x 8 memory card (one chip for the entire 64K), but precisely because of the need to support both normal and extended modes, it might be easier to implement the necessary card with smaller parts. However, 6116's are plentiful and cheap, I'd think you could find them for more like $2 each from a surplus dealer (as used pulls, but as long as they work, who cares). _____ From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of davidwallace2000 at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 8:39 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] memory for the h-8 The bad news is you probably won't find 4044s, or you'll pay collectors' prices for them. The good news is that almost any modern static RAM could be adapted to the H8 bus if you don't insist of trying to make it fit in the WH8-16 card. It's a matter of making the address decoding work and buffering the address, data and control lines to the RAM -- and the schematic of the WH8-16 will show you how to do that. Most anything you could buy would be faster than needed (which is not harmful) and you'd probably wind up with one card that fully populates the H8's address space. Example: I found a 2K x 8 SRAM part with 250 ns access time at DigiKey for $4.28 (each). It's a 24-pin DIP (5V VCC) and appears at a cursory glance to be compatible with the requirements. An octal decoder and some buffers and eight of these chips would make a 16K memory board in probably half a card's worth of space. The chip cost would be under $50. See http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?Ref=81422 &Row=148798&Site=US -------------- Original message -------------- From: WVerish at aol.com Dear Carroll: I have a 16 k static RAM memory board that came with my H-8, but it is un-populated. The chips required for it are TMS4044 chipsThey are 4096 by 1 bit. The computer currently has only 8K of static RAM installed. This makes it very hard to write any real BASIC programs due to the lack of string handling capability with only B.H. BASIC instead of extended B.H. BASIC. I know that my 16K board could probably work with other chips, but due to their cost I really can't afford to make a mistake. Any ideas? Thanks, Wayne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com Mon Aug 14 09:55:51 2006 From: RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com (West, Ronald S.) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:55:51 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H8-1 4kram board pdf file error. 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Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 3966 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wm65805 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 14 12:23:21 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:23:21 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] H8-1 4kram board pdf file error. References: <58FCC1586AD7884BB367EA05255643BC01D3D4A9@0015-its-exmb05.us.saic.com> Message-ID: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:27:41 +0000 A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 5108 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wm65805 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 14 12:15:09 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:15:09 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] PCWorld article mention of the H-89. References: <704e82240608121525s2e0fd935vbc7e3a5989dc7f02@mail.gmail.com> <021b01c6be65$dab028b0$6401a8c0@NFORCE4> <704e82240608122135o6bb17438u969082936a25e077@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:19:27 +0000 I think the apple ][ or tandy II are both better as they could run anything the h-89 could. I did like the heath printer (kit that I built) I used it on my apple ][+ and tandy models 1,3,4,II,16,6000. heck some tandy models could run 2 different OS's concurrently. That would be the Model 4, Coco and 16. Just my thoughts. bill .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Garlanger" To: Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [sebhc] PCWorld article mention of the H-89. > Yea, I was kinda surprised at some of the newer laptops they had in > the top 25. They didn't seem like anything that special. Oh well, it's > just one view of it. > > Mark > > On 8/12/06, Erik Klein wrote: > > I'm not particularly impressed with the list myself. > > > > I like the Apple ][, but it's not even the number one greatest PC that Apple > > ever created, more or less the number one of all time. > > > > Some machines on their list don't belong on a top 100 list. > > > > Such are the nature of opinions, I guess. > > > > At least he didn't misquote me. :) > > > > Erik Klein > > www.vintage-computer.com > > www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum > > The Vintage Computer Forum > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of > > Mark Garlanger > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 3:26 PM > > To: sebhc > > Subject: [sebhc] PCWorld article mention of the H-89. > > > > With the IBM PC's 25th birthday, PC World has a couple of articles > > about historical PCs. The H89 didn't make their first one: "the 25 > > greatest PCs of All Time" But did make the runner-up article "the 25 > > near-greatest PCs of All Time". > > http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,126692-page,11-c,systems/article.html > > > > The H-89 was the only Heath computer I saw mentioned in either article. > > ---------- > > Heathkit H-89 (1979): When do-it-yourselfers wanted to build gadgets > > in the 1970s, they turned to Heathkit, and this $1800 computer kit > > made assembling your own color TV pass?. It ran either H-DOS or CP/M, > > included a 90KB floppy disk drive, and was also sold in fully > > assembled form as the Zenith Z-89. > > ---------- > > > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Mon Aug 14 13:08:36 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:08:36 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H8-1 4kram board pdf file error. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001b01c6bfcc$a9cfcf80$6c00a8c0@barry> Before giving up, download the file (rather than trying to open it) and then try to open it with Acrobat version 5. Version 5 can open some files that versions 6 and 7 report as damaged. Barry Watzman _____ From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of bill malcolm Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:23 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] H8-1 4kram board pdf file error. Yes I get message file is damaged... bill .. ----- Original Message ----- From: West, Ronald S. To: 'sebhc at sebhc.org' Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 9:55 AM Subject: [sebhc] H8-1 4kram board pdf file error. The following link works but the pdf file gets an error when you try to open it with Adobe reader (7.0). Might just be my computer but others on this page load just fine. Can someone take a look at this? H8-1_4KRAM_595-2028-.. > 16-May-2004 14:31 572k Thanks, Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Barry _____ From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of davidwallace2000 at comcast.net Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 3:17 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] memory for the h-8 If I remember right, the 4044 static RAM used only +5V. (I could be wrong -- I'm ten miles from the schematic at the moment.) But I thought it was only the DRAM parts that used -5V. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "bill malcolm" Hi : my guess is the 64k chips could be made to work or even 256k ones --- is could be an issue of supply voltages on the 16k sockets ( -5 volt) that is not needed and must be changes. I converted my tandy model 1 back in the mid 1980's to use these chips. bill ----- Original Message ----- From: WVerish at aol.com To: sebhc at sebhc.org Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [sebhc] memory for the h-8 Dear Carroll: I have a 16 k static RAM memory board that came with my H-8, but it is un-populated. The chips required for it are TMS4044 chipsThey are 4096 by 1 bit. The computer currently has only 8K of static RAM installed. This makes it very hard to write any real BASIC programs due to the lack of string handling capability with only B.H. BASIC instead of extended B.H. BASIC. I know that my 16K board could probably work with other chips, but due to their cost I really can't afford to make a mistake. Any ideas? Thanks, Wayne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From WVerish at aol.com Mon Aug 14 18:34:51 2006 From: WVerish at aol.com (WVerish at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:34:51 EDT Subject: [sebhc] memory for the h-8 Message-ID: <4ab.389dcd8.3212629b@aol.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 1984 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Watzman at neo.rr.com Mon Aug 14 18:58:22 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:58:22 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] memory for the h-8 In-Reply-To: <4ab.389dcd8.3212629b@aol.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <000e01c6bffd$866a1c90$6c00a8c0@barry> Set up E-Bay searches with E-Mail notification for the following key words: CompuPro, Godbout, SSM, "Solid State Music", "S-100 Memory", "S100 Memory", Imsai, Altair, 'Seattle Computer". That should get most of them. Note, "S-100" (also S100) within the auction text is a really good search, but unfortunately it will return too many false hits (hundreds or even thousands). Most adds won't identify the memory chip type. But since this is a static memory board, you are looking for a 16K board with 32 memory chips or a 32K memory board with 64 chips, and you can tell if it's static or dynamic by the amount of non-memory chips on the board. If a board looks "probable", then you can ask the seller the type of chip. Many of the CompuPro boards used the 2147's, which I think will work (better, in fact), as well as the 4044's and the MM5257's. Barry Watzman Watzman at neo.rr.com _____ From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of WVerish at aol.com Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:35 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] memory for the h-8 Dear Barry and everyone else who chimed-in on this question: I think I will take your advice and keep looking for an S-100 board on e-bay for the chips I need. I have found all the other support chips for the board, so once I can locate the RAM chips I know I can finish the assembly. Thanks for all your advice. Wayne P.S. 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Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From peter59 at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 18 19:13:14 2006 From: peter59 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Shkabara) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:13:14 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] ISA extender cards Message-ID: <000301c6c324$44515e20$0d0014ac@voshod> We are moving again and it is time to clean house. I have a pair of ISA extender cards. One is an 8-bit, and the other is 16-bit. This is not Heath stuff, but perhaps someone on the list may have use for them. I can throw them into a padded envelope and send them out for $5 to cover shipping and the envelope. Anyone interested? Peter ---------------------------------- peter59 at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Fri Aug 18 19:29:02 2006 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:29:02 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] ISA extender cards In-Reply-To: <000301c6c324$44515e20$0d0014ac@voshod> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.28 MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR URI: Includes a link to a likely spammer email Message-ID: <001301c6c326$78e2a250$176fa8c0@obie> Pete, If no one else has claimed them yet, I'd be happy to give them a new home! Jack -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Peter Shkabara Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 7:13 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: [sebhc] ISA extender cards We are moving again and it is time to clean house. I have a pair of ISA extender cards. One is an 8-bit, and the other is 16-bit. This is not Heath stuff, but perhaps someone on the list may have use for them. I can throw them into a padded envelope and send them out for $5 to cover shipping and the envelope. Anyone interested? Peter ---------------------------------- peter59 at sbcglobal.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.2/422 - Release Date: 8/17/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.2/422 - Release Date: 8/17/2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter59 at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 18 22:33:02 2006 From: peter59 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Shkabara) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:33:02 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] ISA extender cards In-Reply-To: <001301c6c326$78e2a250$176fa8c0@obie> Message-ID: <000301c6c340$2d92da80$0d0014ac@voshod> Give me an address to send them to. Peter ---------------------------------- peter59 at sbcglobal.net _____ From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Jack Rubin Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 5:29 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: RE: [sebhc] ISA extender cards Pete, If no one else has claimed them yet, I'd be happy to give them a new home! Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Mon Aug 21 22:48:32 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:48:32 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] PAM8 in HEX Message-ID: <44EA7E90.60602@sc.rr.com> Does anyone in the group have an Intel HEX format dump of the PAM8 ROM (444-13)? Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dave06a at dunfield.com Tue Aug 22 05:52:10 2006 From: dave06a at dunfield.com (Dave Dunfield) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:52:10 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] PAM8 in HEX In-Reply-To: <44EA7E90.60602@sc.rr.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <200608220955.k7M9tVbo014618@hosting.monisys.ca> > Does anyone in the group have an Intel HEX format dump of the PAM8 ROM > (444-13)? > Carroll It's easy to extractt this from your H8 (or my simulator). On my simulator (which you can get from my web site): 1. Run H8 which will present you with the main screen. 2. Mount an output tape "file" - Press F5, then 'O' - If you have no .H8T files in your directory it will go directly to the input prompt, otherwise press F2 to enter a filename 3. Select the starting address (000 000) # 040 000 / 000 000 / 4. Select the ending address: # 003 377 5. Write the selected region to tape: 9 6. Exit the simulator and you should have a new .H8T file containing the PAM8 image. 7. Use my H8T utility to translate this to a .HEX file: H8T filename.H8T filename.HEX <- Motorola format H8T filename.H8T filename.HEX /I <- Intel format To do it from a real H8: 1. Connect the H8 serial port to your PC serial port. 2. Select serial output on the H8 interface board. 3. Use H8T to read the serial stream directly into a .HEX file: H8T COM1: myfile.hex [/I] 4. Select the region and write output on the H8 as described in steps 3-5 above. Dave -- dave06a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/index.html -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Tue Aug 22 07:02:43 2006 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:02:43 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] PAM8 in HEX In-Reply-To: <44EA7E90.60602@sc.rr.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <000001c6c5e2$e02093f0$176fa8c0@obie> Carroll, You'll find four versions of the PAM ROM - including PAM8 - in the SEBHC archive under /software/ROMs. Jack > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Carroll Waddell > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 10:49 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: [sebhc] PAM8 in HEX > > > Does anyone in the group have an Intel HEX format dump of the > PAM8 ROM > (444-13)? > Carroll > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release > Date: 8/18/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.4/424 - Release Date: 8/21/2006 -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Wed Aug 23 22:05:26 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:05:26 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H8 transformer Message-ID: <44ED1776.203@sc.rr.com> Does anyone have a power transformer of the type used in the H8 for sale? Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com Tue Aug 29 13:14:29 2006 From: RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com (West, Ronald S.) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:14:29 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H8 Zip drive Message-ID: <58FCC1586AD7884BB367EA05255643BC01D3D4F6@0015-its-exmb05.us.saic.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/plain rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Size: 399 bytes Desc: not available URL: From garlanger at gmail.com Tue Aug 29 13:54:59 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:54:59 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] H8 Zip drive In-Reply-To: <58FCC1586AD7884BB367EA05255643BC01D3D4F6@0015-its-exmb05.us.saic.com> References: <58FCC1586AD7884BB367EA05255643BC01D3D4F6@0015-its-exmb05.us.saic.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240608291154k5e4a9425s41c510feaf44e054@mail.gmail.com> That would be really interesting to try. I know that the Linux kernel has support for the ZIP drive and many other Parallel devices. The homepage is: http://cyberelk.net/tim/parport/parport.html (Looking at their archives, I found messages that I posted to their maillist years ago). The big question will be whether or not the H89 has the speed to keep up with this device. I believe the code is relatively isolated from from the full kernel, so it may not be to hard to decode. I wonder if the SCSI version of the ZIP drive would work with Z-89-67 controller. I think it was Lee that mentioned that it used something (SASI?) earlier but similiar to SCSI and SCSI drives may work. I would love to have a 100M removable disk for my H89 (then I wouldn't have to keep trying to get my soft-sectored controller working ;-) ). Mark On 8/29/06, West, Ronald S. wrote: > Anybody know how the parallel interface works on a zip drive? Would be cool > to try and use a 100mb zip drive on the H8. I have a couple of those lying > around at work (nobody wants them) so thought I would see if it can be done. > > Ron > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 14:38:45 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:38:45 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. Message-ID: <704e82240608301238n60ebc5cej8d57733579d60a37@mail.gmail.com> Is there anyone on the list looking to get an H8 system? There is one on ebay that looks quite interesting - H8/H17/H19 - he has tested it out AND it comes with some software that the library does not have. Specifically: Pascal, and "Numerous games" which he clarified to include: "The games I have are Exterminator, Munchkin, Gravitron, Y-wing II, Galactic Warrior, Invaders, Warrior and the classic Adventure." Gravitron is one of the games (along with Gravitron 2), that I have been dieing to get a hold of. Y-Wing 2 would be nice since I have (a working copy of) the first one. Some of the other names look familiar, although I already have a 'working' copy of Munchkin, and the original disks for Adventure. The thing is, I have no interested in getting any of the H8 (H17/H19) hardware (keeping a H89 up and working is enough for me). And the shipping quote was really high (>$150 since he would just take it to a 'mailbox etc'-type place). But if some was close enough to Waterford, MI (looks like it's just NW of Detriot), the shipping fee could be save by picking it up (you would still need to be confirmed that with the seller, but based on his choice of using 'mailboxes etc' it seems he would be open to letting someone come and pick it up). If anyone is interested in the auction, let me know, I'd be willing to pony-up some money for the software (more if I get to keep the actual disks but still some for just getting the software into the library). With 4 days still left in the auction, I know I won't be able to justify spending all that money (especially for shipping equipment I don't want) to just get a few programs, but I'm willing to help, in order to get the software into the library. Here is the ebay auction, let me know if you're planning to bid on it, and we can work out the details. Adding the extra money that I'm willing to spend to your bid, should help your chances on winning the auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/Heathkit-H8-Computer-with-H17-Disk-and-H19-Monitor_W0QQitemZ130021428178QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Thanks, Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From bill at armchairarcade.com Wed Aug 30 14:49:23 2006 From: bill at armchairarcade.com (Bill Loguidice) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:49:23 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. In-Reply-To: <704e82240608301238n60ebc5cej8d57733579d60a37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01ce01c6cc6d$66b446b0$2174fea9@EAST.VIS.COM> I was tracking this one since it hit. The shipping is a killer. I bid my max at $150, which would have brought the total to well over $300, not even counting the documentation at extra cost. It's a great setup and I'm sure it will go for more than double of my maximum bid, which is already not winning... ====================================== Bill Loguidice, Managing Director Armchair Arcade, Inc. (A PC Magazine Top 100 Website) ====================================== http://www.armchairarcade.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Garlanger [mailto:garlanger at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:39 PM > To: sebhc > Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. > > Is there anyone on the list looking to get an H8 system? There is one > on ebay that looks quite interesting - H8/H17/H19 - he has tested it > out AND it comes with some software that the library does not have. > Specifically: Pascal, and "Numerous games" which he clarified to > include: > "The games I have are Exterminator, Munchkin, Gravitron, Y-wing II, > Galactic Warrior, Invaders, Warrior and the classic Adventure." > > Gravitron is one of the games (along with Gravitron 2), that I have > been dieing to get a hold of. > Y-Wing 2 would be nice since I have (a working copy of) the first one. > Some of the other names look familiar, although I already have a > 'working' copy of Munchkin, and the original disks for Adventure. > > The thing is, I have no interested in getting any of the H8 (H17/H19) > hardware (keeping a H89 up and working is enough for me). And the > shipping quote was really high (>$150 since he would just take it to a > 'mailbox etc'-type place). But if some was close enough to Waterford, > MI (looks like it's just NW of Detriot), the shipping fee could be > save by picking it up (you would still need to be confirmed that with > the seller, but based on his choice of using 'mailboxes etc' it seems > he would be open to letting someone come and pick it up). > > If anyone is interested in the auction, let me know, I'd be willing to > pony-up some money for the software (more if I get to keep the actual > disks but still some for just getting the software into the library). > > With 4 days still left in the auction, I know I won't be able to > justify spending all that money (especially for shipping equipment I > don't want) to just get a few programs, but I'm willing to help, in > order to get the software into the library. > > Here is the ebay auction, let me know if you're planning to bid on it, > and we can work out the details. Adding the extra money that I'm > willing to spend to your bid, should help your chances on winning the > auction. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Heathkit-H8-Computer-with-H17-Disk-and-H19 > -Monitor_W0QQitemZ130021428178QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageN > ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > Thanks, > Mark > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 14:51:14 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:51:14 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: H8 on ebay with interesting software. In-Reply-To: <704e82240608301238n60ebc5cej8d57733579d60a37@mail.gmail.com> References: <704e82240608301238n60ebc5cej8d57733579d60a37@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.50 BSF_RULE7568M BODY: Custom Rule 7568M Message-ID: <704e82240608301251t72b5fb16y9a13d8c9f8c0e5f7@mail.gmail.com> Oops, one statement was wrong, he did not test it out, I most have been thinking about the other auction when writing this. So all the equipment is untested. Mark On 8/30/06, Mark Garlanger wrote: > Is there anyone on the list looking to get an H8 system? There is one > on ebay that looks quite interesting - H8/H17/H19 - he has tested it > out AND it comes with some software that the library does not have. > Specifically: Pascal, and "Numerous games" which he clarified to > include: > "The games I have are Exterminator, Munchkin, Gravitron, Y-wing II, > Galactic Warrior, Invaders, Warrior and the classic Adventure." > > Gravitron is one of the games (along with Gravitron 2), that I have > been dieing to get a hold of. > Y-Wing 2 would be nice since I have (a working copy of) the first one. > Some of the other names look familiar, although I already have a > 'working' copy of Munchkin, and the original disks for Adventure. > > The thing is, I have no interested in getting any of the H8 (H17/H19) > hardware (keeping a H89 up and working is enough for me). And the > shipping quote was really high (>$150 since he would just take it to a > 'mailbox etc'-type place). But if some was close enough to Waterford, > MI (looks like it's just NW of Detriot), the shipping fee could be > save by picking it up (you would still need to be confirmed that with > the seller, but based on his choice of using 'mailboxes etc' it seems > he would be open to letting someone come and pick it up). > > If anyone is interested in the auction, let me know, I'd be willing to > pony-up some money for the software (more if I get to keep the actual > disks but still some for just getting the software into the library). > > With 4 days still left in the auction, I know I won't be able to > justify spending all that money (especially for shipping equipment I > don't want) to just get a few programs, but I'm willing to help, in > order to get the software into the library. > > Here is the ebay auction, let me know if you're planning to bid on it, > and we can work out the details. Adding the extra money that I'm > willing to spend to your bid, should help your chances on winning the > auction. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Heathkit-H8-Computer-with-H17-Disk-and-H19-Monitor_W0QQitemZ130021428178QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > Thanks, > Mark > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Wed Aug 30 17:31:58 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:31:58 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. In-Reply-To: <704e82240608301238n60ebc5cej8d57733579d60a37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c6cc84$1b06aed0$6600a8c0@barry> Better to give the short form of the E-Bay item: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130021428178 To save shipping, don't take the H19 ... I find that you can get an old laptop on E-Bay for $5 to $20 and run a terminal program, makes a better monitor than a real "terminal". Barry Watzman Watzman at neo.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Garlanger Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:39 PM To: sebhc Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. Is there anyone on the list looking to get an H8 system? There is one on ebay that looks quite interesting - H8/H17/H19 - he has tested it out AND it comes with some software that the library does not have. Specifically: Pascal, and "Numerous games" which he clarified to include: "The games I have are Exterminator, Munchkin, Gravitron, Y-wing II, Galactic Warrior, Invaders, Warrior and the classic Adventure." Gravitron is one of the games (along with Gravitron 2), that I have been dieing to get a hold of. Y-Wing 2 would be nice since I have (a working copy of) the first one. Some of the other names look familiar, although I already have a 'working' copy of Munchkin, and the original disks for Adventure. The thing is, I have no interested in getting any of the H8 (H17/H19) hardware (keeping a H89 up and working is enough for me). And the shipping quote was really high (>$150 since he would just take it to a 'mailbox etc'-type place). But if some was close enough to Waterford, MI (looks like it's just NW of Detriot), the shipping fee could be save by picking it up (you would still need to be confirmed that with the seller, but based on his choice of using 'mailboxes etc' it seems he would be open to letting someone come and pick it up). If anyone is interested in the auction, let me know, I'd be willing to pony-up some money for the software (more if I get to keep the actual disks but still some for just getting the software into the library). With 4 days still left in the auction, I know I won't be able to justify spending all that money (especially for shipping equipment I don't want) to just get a few programs, but I'm willing to help, in order to get the software into the library. Here is the ebay auction, let me know if you're planning to bid on it, and we can work out the details. Adding the extra money that I'm willing to spend to your bid, should help your chances on winning the auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/Heathkit-H8-Computer-with-H17-Disk-and-H19-Monitor_W0QQi temZ130021428178QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Thanks, Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From wm65805 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 31 07:49:03 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:49:03 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. -- YES !! References: <704e82240608301238n60ebc5cej8d57733579d60a37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:54:16 +0000 I will share any Game(s) If I win the bid -- in fact you can have them. bill .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Garlanger" To: "sebhc" Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 2:38 PM Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. > Is there anyone on the list looking to get an H8 system? There is one > on ebay that looks quite interesting - H8/H17/H19 - he has tested it > out AND it comes with some software that the library does not have. > Specifically: Pascal, and "Numerous games" which he clarified to > include: > "The games I have are Exterminator, Munchkin, Gravitron, Y-wing II, > Galactic Warrior, Invaders, Warrior and the classic Adventure." > > Gravitron is one of the games (along with Gravitron 2), that I have > been dieing to get a hold of. > Y-Wing 2 would be nice since I have (a working copy of) the first one. > Some of the other names look familiar, although I already have a > 'working' copy of Munchkin, and the original disks for Adventure. > > The thing is, I have no interested in getting any of the H8 (H17/H19) > hardware (keeping a H89 up and working is enough for me). And the > shipping quote was really high (>$150 since he would just take it to a > 'mailbox etc'-type place). But if some was close enough to Waterford, > MI (looks like it's just NW of Detriot), the shipping fee could be > save by picking it up (you would still need to be confirmed that with > the seller, but based on his choice of using 'mailboxes etc' it seems > he would be open to letting someone come and pick it up). > > If anyone is interested in the auction, let me know, I'd be willing to > pony-up some money for the software (more if I get to keep the actual > disks but still some for just getting the software into the library). > > With 4 days still left in the auction, I know I won't be able to > justify spending all that money (especially for shipping equipment I > don't want) to just get a few programs, but I'm willing to help, in > order to get the software into the library. > > Here is the ebay auction, let me know if you're planning to bid on it, > and we can work out the details. Adding the extra money that I'm > willing to spend to your bid, should help your chances on winning the > auction. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Heathkit-H8-Computer-with-H17-Disk-and-H19-Monitor_W0QQitemZ130021428178QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > Thanks, > Mark > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Thu Aug 31 20:32:18 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:32:18 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. -- YES !! In-Reply-To: References: <704e82240608301238n60ebc5cej8d57733579d60a37@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.50 BSF_RULE7568M BODY: Custom Rule 7568M 0.28 MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR URI: Includes a link to a likely spammer email Message-ID: <704e82240608311832l13dd9bddwde8295f8769ec16a@mail.gmail.com> It's already well past the other Bill's top bid of $150, are you local to avoid the huge shipping cost? Hopefully you are willing to spend closer to what is required to win one of these auctions. I'll make the same offer to you (or anyone else on the list) as I made to the other Bill, in your case, since you are willing to let me have the originals, I'm willing to commit to $75 toward the price of the item if you win the auction. If someone else in the group wins and wants to keep the originals, I'll still provide you with $40 if you get the disk images into the library. (Have I mentioned that I really want to get this software ;-) ) Thanks, Mark On 8/31/06, bill malcolm wrote: > I will share any Game(s) If I win the bid -- in fact you can have them. > bill .. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Garlanger" > To: "sebhc" > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 2:38 PM > Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. > > > > Is there anyone on the list looking to get an H8 system? There is one > > on ebay that looks quite interesting - H8/H17/H19 - he has tested it > > out AND it comes with some software that the library does not have. > > Specifically: Pascal, and "Numerous games" which he clarified to > > include: > > "The games I have are Exterminator, Munchkin, Gravitron, Y-wing II, > > Galactic Warrior, Invaders, Warrior and the classic Adventure." > > > > Gravitron is one of the games (along with Gravitron 2), that I have > > been dieing to get a hold of. > > Y-Wing 2 would be nice since I have (a working copy of) the first one. > > Some of the other names look familiar, although I already have a > > 'working' copy of Munchkin, and the original disks for Adventure. > > > > The thing is, I have no interested in getting any of the H8 (H17/H19) > > hardware (keeping a H89 up and working is enough for me). And the > > shipping quote was really high (>$150 since he would just take it to a > > 'mailbox etc'-type place). But if some was close enough to Waterford, > > MI (looks like it's just NW of Detriot), the shipping fee could be > > save by picking it up (you would still need to be confirmed that with > > the seller, but based on his choice of using 'mailboxes etc' it seems > > he would be open to letting someone come and pick it up). > > > > If anyone is interested in the auction, let me know, I'd be willing to > > pony-up some money for the software (more if I get to keep the actual > > disks but still some for just getting the software into the library). > > > > With 4 days still left in the auction, I know I won't be able to > > justify spending all that money (especially for shipping equipment I > > don't want) to just get a few programs, but I'm willing to help, in > > order to get the software into the library. > > > > Here is the ebay auction, let me know if you're planning to bid on it, > > and we can work out the details. Adding the extra money that I'm > > willing to spend to your bid, should help your chances on winning the > > auction. > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Heathkit-H8-Computer-with-H17-Disk-and-H19-Monitor_W0QQitemZ130021428178QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List