From garlanger at gmail.com Sat Nov 4 01:42:43 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 01:42:43 -0600 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) In-Reply-To: <003a01c6ee15$59cd79c0$0100a8c0@screamer> References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <000201c6edcd$199b13f0$800101df@franky> <003a01c6ee15$59cd79c0$0100a8c0@screamer> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240611032342m7dc105a4g47b5b1fda20f9713@mail.gmail.com> On 10/12/06, Bob Shannon wrote: > Hello, > > I'm very new to my H89, and I need a little assistance. > > > Or, can someone sell me bootable CP/M on high density media??? > Hi Bob, I finally have a system with a working soft-sectored controller, send me your address, directly if you want, and I can send one to you. Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From harten at injectstar.de Sat Nov 4 13:09:43 2006 From: harten at injectstar.de (Harten) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 20:09:43 +0100 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) In-Reply-To: <704e82240611032342m7dc105a4g47b5b1fda20f9713@mail.gmail.com> References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <704e82240611032342m7dc105a4g47b5b1fda20f9713@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In message <704e82240611032342m7dc105a4g47b5b1fda20f9713 at mail.gmail.com> you wrote: > On 10/12/06, Bob Shannon wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm very new to my H89, and I need a little assistance. > > > > > > > Or, can someone sell me bootable CP/M on high density media??? > > > > Hi Bob, > > I finally have a system with a working soft-sectored controller, > send me your address, directly if you want, and I can send one to you. > > Mark > -- Hi Bob, Hi Mark! There are several Heath/Zenith users out there, who are looking for a soft-sectored, CP/M and HDOS, medium to boot from. Me too. Why not storing disk-images in the software archive, just like all the hard-sectored? Would this not be much easier like sending floppy-disks around the world. I found a kind person from the US who was able to send me a copy of the soft-sectored CP/M bootdisk (5.25" 48 tpi). But during its long way to Germany the data were corrupted - the disk is useless for me! I'm still not able to boot my Z90, but I'm able to reproduce disks from images. Regards, Axel. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Sat Nov 4 13:07:27 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 13:07:27 -0600 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) In-Reply-To: References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <704e82240611032342m7dc105a4g47b5b1fda20f9713@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299@mail.gmail.com> I'll be willing to make images, but I don't have any software to do that. The software I have (h89trans written by Dwight), only works with the hard-sectored controller. If there is some other software available that works for the soft-sectored disks, let me know. Which software are you using to reproduce the disks from images? Mark On 11/4/06, Harten wrote: > In message <704e82240611032342m7dc105a4g47b5b1fda20f9713 at mail.gmail.com> you wrote: > > > On 10/12/06, Bob Shannon wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I'm very new to my H89, and I need a little assistance. > > > > > > > > > > > Or, can someone sell me bootable CP/M on high density media??? > > > > > > > Hi Bob, > > > > I finally have a system with a working soft-sectored controller, > > send me your address, directly if you want, and I can send one to you. > > > > Mark > > -- > > > > Hi Bob, > Hi Mark! > > There are several Heath/Zenith users out there, who are looking for a > soft-sectored, CP/M and HDOS, medium to boot from. Me too. > > Why not storing disk-images in the software archive, just like all the > hard-sectored? > > Would this not be much easier like sending floppy-disks around the world. > > I found a kind person from the US who was able to send me a copy of the > soft-sectored CP/M bootdisk (5.25" 48 tpi). But during its long way to > Germany the data were corrupted - the disk is useless for me! > > I'm still not able to boot my Z90, but I'm able to reproduce disks from > images. > > Regards, > > Axel. > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jmcglone at neo.rr.com Sat Nov 4 13:14:12 2006 From: jmcglone at neo.rr.com (Joseph E McGlone) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 14:14:12 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] H8 25-pin gold plated edge connectors for PCBs Message-ID: <000c01c70045$6a4e7aa0$6600a8c0@8dggx01> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 1973 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Watzman at neo.rr.com Sat Nov 4 13:37:01 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 14:37:01 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] H8 25-pin gold plated edge connectors for PCBs In-Reply-To: <000c01c70045$6a4e7aa0$6600a8c0@8dggx01> Message-ID: <006101c70048$99b3a100$6601a8c0@barry> Sorry, I can't help on the connectors, but I do think that they were a standard Molex part. Note, Molex has a "sample" program for engineers. They are pretty liberal with it, I've used it to get small quantities of connectors that I just could not find anywhere without buying large quantities. You can get any part that they make ... free, as long as the quantities are small. I think that there was a link on their web site. Just out of curiosity, where are you located (he says, noting the geographically small "neo.rr.com" domain)? Barry Watzman Watzman at neo.rr.com _____ From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Joseph E McGlone Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 14:14 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: [sebhc] H8 25-pin gold plated edge connectors for PCBs Can someone recommend a good source for replacement 25-pin edge connectors on Heathkit H8 (Benton Harbor Buss) printed circuit boards in a gold plated version? They may be equivalent to Molex KK PC Board Connectors top entry with hooks P/N 22-18-2251 or 22-18-2253. However they do not seem to be a common part? Thanks. Joe jmcglone at neo.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garlanger at gmail.com Sat Nov 4 15:30:43 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 15:30:43 -0600 Subject: [sebhc] Third Party drivers/support files Message-ID: <704e82240611041330s56289644rc9946280d5b4dbef@mail.gmail.com> Does any happen to have driver/support disks for the Magnolia Microsystems "128K RAM Board"? It was any add-on card for the H89. According to an ad in Remark it featured: 128K added to your 48K for 176K total, full compatibility with MMS & Zenith CP/M (64K) and HDOS (56K), versatile bank switching supporting 3 full MP/M II compatible banks, 112k "electric disk" for MMS CP/M and Ultimeth Corp supplies HDOS support. I'm guessing that the board I have is the 128K Ram board, because it has 16 M5K4164NS -15 chips. These appear to be 64k chips based on a quick google search. If anyone has MMS CP/M, the 'electric disk' driver, the HDOS support, or any versions of MP/M let me know. Also, I know it's a huge long-shot, but does anyone have drivers for the New Orleans General Data Services (NOGDS) HA-89-3 Color graphics board? It provided color, sound, joystick, speech synthesis, and an arithmetic processor to the H89. Some of these were optional add-on, I'm not sure exactly what I have on my board, but it would be interesting to get it working in one of my systems if someone had some drivers.From the ad it looks like they support both HDOS and CP/M. Thanks, Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From bandit1921 at cox.net Sat Nov 4 16:02:55 2006 From: bandit1921 at cox.net (Joe Smith) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 15:02:55 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] Third Party drivers/support files In-Reply-To: <704e82240611041330s56289644rc9946280d5b4dbef@mail.gmail.co m> References: <704e82240611041330s56289644rc9946280d5b4dbef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061104150207.02b18e40@cox.net> I have it here somewhere for CP/M anyway, for use with both Heath and MM versions,I think it came that way. At 02:30 PM 11/4/2006, you wrote: >Does any happen to have driver/support disks for the Magnolia >Microsystems "128K RAM Board"? It was any add-on card for the H89. >According to an ad in Remark it featured: 128K added to your 48K for >176K total, full compatibility with MMS & Zenith CP/M (64K) and HDOS >(56K), versatile bank switching supporting 3 full MP/M II compatible >banks, 112k "electric disk" for MMS CP/M and Ultimeth Corp supplies >HDOS support. > >I'm guessing that the board I have is the 128K Ram board, because it >has 16 M5K4164NS -15 chips. These appear to be 64k chips based on a >quick google search. > >If anyone has MMS CP/M, the 'electric disk' driver, the HDOS support, >or any versions of MP/M let me know. > >Also, I know it's a huge long-shot, but does anyone have drivers for >the New Orleans General Data Services (NOGDS) HA-89-3 Color graphics >board? It provided color, sound, joystick, speech synthesis, and an >arithmetic processor to the H89. Some of these were optional add-on, >I'm not sure exactly what I have on my board, but it would be >interesting to get it working in one of my systems if someone had some >drivers.From the ad it looks like they support both HDOS and CP/M. > >Thanks, > Mark >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Sat Nov 4 18:03:40 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 19:03:40 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] H8 25-pin gold plated edge connectors for PCBs In-Reply-To: <000c01c70045$6a4e7aa0$6600a8c0@8dggx01> References: <000c01c70045$6a4e7aa0$6600a8c0@8dggx01> Message-ID: <454D2A5C.8050604@sc.rr.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 12854 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gfroberts at adelphia.net Sat Nov 4 18:12:34 2006 From: gfroberts at adelphia.net (Glenn Roberts) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 19:12:34 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Third Party drivers/support files In-Reply-To: <704e82240611041330s56289644rc9946280d5b4dbef@mail.gmail.com> References: <704e82240611041330s56289644rc9946280d5b4dbef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <454D2C72.5020807@adelphia.net> i have the software for NOGDS Color Graphics board. Mine is the H-8 version (HA-8-3?). I think i have only HDOS hard sectored media as I recall, perhaps that was something you had to specify when you ordered it?? I think I got mine directly from Heathkit. Unfortunately my H-17 is running on only one disk and even that can be flaky with the 20 year old media i'm using. But I'll see if i can get it running soon - it would be good to have the software preserved on the SEBHC site. as for the board itself it hasn't worked in a while. It was fully socketed for all the IC's. while that sounds cool (easy to replace any defective chips) I've always wondered if that contributed to the failure - so many connections to get dirty! It's somewhere on my "to do" list (a long list) On the subject of getting my H17 working again, i have a couple Tandon TM100-2A drives. Has anyone set up an FAQ on how to re-jumper "PC" (360K) style drives to replace the standard ones that shipped with the H17? - Glenn Mark Garlanger wrote: > Does any happen to have driver/support disks for the Magnolia > Microsystems "128K RAM Board"? It was any add-on card for the H89. > According to an ad in Remark it featured: 128K added to your 48K for > 176K total, full compatibility with MMS & Zenith CP/M (64K) and HDOS > (56K), versatile bank switching supporting 3 full MP/M II compatible > banks, 112k "electric disk" for MMS CP/M and Ultimeth Corp supplies > HDOS support. > > I'm guessing that the board I have is the 128K Ram board, because it > has 16 M5K4164NS -15 chips. These appear to be 64k chips based on a > quick google search. > > If anyone has MMS CP/M, the 'electric disk' driver, the HDOS support, > or any versions of MP/M let me know. > > Also, I know it's a huge long-shot, but does anyone have drivers for > the New Orleans General Data Services (NOGDS) HA-89-3 Color graphics > board? It provided color, sound, joystick, speech synthesis, and an > arithmetic processor to the H89. Some of these were optional add-on, > I'm not sure exactly what I have on my board, but it would be > interesting to get it working in one of my systems if someone had some > drivers.From the ad it looks like they support both HDOS and CP/M. > > Thanks, > Mark > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Sat Nov 4 21:04:05 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 21:04:05 -0600 Subject: [sebhc] Third Party drivers/support files In-Reply-To: <454D2C72.5020807@adelphia.net> References: <704e82240611041330s56289644rc9946280d5b4dbef@mail.gmail.com> <454D2C72.5020807@adelphia.net> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240611041904o292a5b1ds32446451a836e710@mail.gmail.com> On 11/4/06, Glenn Roberts wrote: > i have the software for NOGDS Color Graphics board. Mine is the H-8 > version (HA-8-3?). I think i have only HDOS hard sectored media as I > recall, perhaps that was something you had to specify when you ordered > it?? I think I got mine directly from Heathkit. Unfortunately my H-17 is > running on only one disk and even that can be flaky with the 20 year old > media i'm using. But I'll see if i can get it running soon - it would > be good to have the software preserved on the SEBHC site. > Wow, I'm amazed someone still has this. The ad I have, says specify H-17/37/47 and HDOS or CP/M. > as for the board itself it hasn't worked in a while. It was fully > socketed for all the IC's. while that sounds cool (easy to replace any > defective chips) I've always wondered if that contributed to the failure > - so many connections to get dirty! It's somewhere on my "to do" list > (a long list) > Mine is in a box, not sure of it's entire history, but I need to inventory a bunch of equipment I just received before I start experimenting with the board. > On the subject of getting my H17 working again, i have a couple Tandon > TM100-2A drives. Has anyone set up an FAQ on how to re-jumper "PC" > (360K) style drives to replace the standard ones that shipped with the H17? > I think the only difference is that those are double-sided. I'm pretty sure I've used a TM100-2A with the H17 and without any changes (unless the previous owners made a change to it) and it worked as a single-sided drive. There was also an improved CP/M bios (bios-80 I think) that allowed the H17 to work with the H17-4 drives, that bios would probably also work with your drives and allow you to have 200K per disk. I have a working copy of the bios-80 and will try to make an image of it (my 'dos' machine was having some issues, so hopefully I'll get that one working soon). Mark > - Glenn > > Mark Garlanger wrote: > > Does any happen to have driver/support disks for the Magnolia > > Microsystems "128K RAM Board"? It was any add-on card for the H89. > > According to an ad in Remark it featured: 128K added to your 48K for > > 176K total, full compatibility with MMS & Zenith CP/M (64K) and HDOS > > (56K), versatile bank switching supporting 3 full MP/M II compatible > > banks, 112k "electric disk" for MMS CP/M and Ultimeth Corp supplies > > HDOS support. > > > > I'm guessing that the board I have is the 128K Ram board, because it > > has 16 M5K4164NS -15 chips. These appear to be 64k chips based on a > > quick google search. > > > > If anyone has MMS CP/M, the 'electric disk' driver, the HDOS support, > > or any versions of MP/M let me know. > > > > Also, I know it's a huge long-shot, but does anyone have drivers for > > the New Orleans General Data Services (NOGDS) HA-89-3 Color graphics > > board? It provided color, sound, joystick, speech synthesis, and an > > arithmetic processor to the H89. Some of these were optional add-on, > > I'm not sure exactly what I have on my board, but it would be > > interesting to get it working in one of my systems if someone had some > > drivers.From the ad it looks like they support both HDOS and CP/M. > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From harten at injectstar.de Sun Nov 5 06:14:55 2006 From: harten at injectstar.de (Harten) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 13:14:55 +0100 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) In-Reply-To: <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299@mail.gmail.com> References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <704e82240611032342m7dc105a4g47b5b1fda20f9713@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In message <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299 at mail.gmail.com> you wrote: > I'll be willing to make images, but I don't have any software to do > that. The software I have (h89trans written by Dwight), only works > with the hard-sectored controller. If there is some other software > available that works for the soft-sectored disks, let me know. Which > software are you using to reproduce the disks from images? > > Mark > The easiest way is ( and that's how i do it) to use a nativ old MS-DOS (PC-clone) machine. Why that? These old machines have 5.25" floppy drives (often called 360 K Drive) and there is software for reading foreign disk formats. In detail: Hardware 286 / 386 / 486 are the best machines for backing up floppy disks. Not too fast 586 / pentium I will work also. One 5.25" floppy drive with 40 tracks double sided (360 k) is perfect. A 1.2 M HD floppy drive will be able to read 40 track disks, but not to write back. Another important thing is the floppy-controller. Most common controller- cards will be able to read even single density disks. A 37C65 controller chip will read and write single density disks. OS Native MS-DOS version 4.0 and above is the best choice. Windows 95/98 started in DOS-Mode will work also. Software TELEDISK is very easy to use and common. Images produced with TELEDISK are called TD0 as this is the ending of the filenames xxxxxxxx.td0 There are several versions of TELEDISK, which are all a bit different. You have to try out which version works best on your hardware. IMAGEDISK let you make more decisions on the way of reading the disk and works also great for me. I hope this will help You! Regards. Axel -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dkelvey at hotmail.com Sun Nov 5 11:59:53 2006 From: dkelvey at hotmail.com (dwight elvey) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 09:59:53 -0800 Subject: [sebhc] Third Party drivers/support files In-Reply-To: <454D2C72.5020807@adelphia.net> Message-ID: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 17:59:53 GMT Hi Most of the time, cleanning the heads will bring things back to life Making sure the belt isn't slipping and making sure the surface of the flywheel is smooth and clean. Make sure the head stepper moves the heads easily as well. Also make sure the disks rotate smoothly in the envelops. I find that on old disk, I can rotate them a number of times in the envelops and they work fine. If it seems that the disk isn't rotating, removing the disk from the envelop can make the difference, as a last resort. The only time I've not been able to read disk is when the were written on by a bad drive or were physically damages. Dwight >From: Glenn Roberts > >i have the software for NOGDS Color Graphics board. Mine is the H-8 >version (HA-8-3?). I think i have only HDOS hard sectored media as I >recall, perhaps that was something you had to specify when you ordered it?? >I think I got mine directly from Heathkit. Unfortunately my H-17 is running >on only one disk and even that can be flaky with the 20 year old media i'm >using. But I'll see if i can get it running soon - it would be good to >have the software preserved on the SEBHC site. > >as for the board itself it hasn't worked in a while. It was fully socketed >for all the IC's. while that sounds cool (easy to replace any defective >chips) I've always wondered if that contributed to the failure - so many >connections to get dirty! It's somewhere on my "to do" list (a long list) > >On the subject of getting my H17 working again, i have a couple Tandon >TM100-2A drives. Has anyone set up an FAQ on how to re-jumper "PC" (360K) >style drives to replace the standard ones that shipped with the H17? > >- Glenn > >Mark Garlanger wrote: >>Does any happen to have driver/support disks for the Magnolia >>Microsystems "128K RAM Board"? It was any add-on card for the H89. >>According to an ad in Remark it featured: 128K added to your 48K for >>176K total, full compatibility with MMS & Zenith CP/M (64K) and HDOS >>(56K), versatile bank switching supporting 3 full MP/M II compatible >>banks, 112k "electric disk" for MMS CP/M and Ultimeth Corp supplies >>HDOS support. >> >>I'm guessing that the board I have is the 128K Ram board, because it >>has 16 M5K4164NS -15 chips. These appear to be 64k chips based on a >>quick google search. >> >>If anyone has MMS CP/M, the 'electric disk' driver, the HDOS support, >>or any versions of MP/M let me know. >> >>Also, I know it's a huge long-shot, but does anyone have drivers for >>the New Orleans General Data Services (NOGDS) HA-89-3 Color graphics >>board? It provided color, sound, joystick, speech synthesis, and an >>arithmetic processor to the H89. Some of these were optional add-on, >>I'm not sure exactly what I have on my board, but it would be >>interesting to get it working in one of my systems if someone had some >>drivers.From the ad it looks like they support both HDOS and CP/M. >> >>Thanks, >> Mark >>-- >>Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> >> > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dkelvey at hotmail.com Sun Nov 5 12:11:25 2006 From: dkelvey at hotmail.com (dwight elvey) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 10:11:25 -0800 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) In-Reply-To: <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 18:11:25 GMT Hi As another mentioned, there are a number of imaging tools for soft sectored. Maybe someday I'll do something for soft sectored as disk drives are now going out of fashion. The only problem is it seems that serial ports are going as well :( Dwight >From: "Mark Garlanger" > >I'll be willing to make images, but I don't have any software to do >that. The software I have (h89trans written by Dwight), only works >with the hard-sectored controller. If there is some other software >available that works for the soft-sectored disks, let me know. Which >software are you using to reproduce the disks from images? > >Mark > > >On 11/4/06, Harten wrote: >>In message <704e82240611032342m7dc105a4g47b5b1fda20f9713 at mail.gmail.com> >>you wrote: >> >> > On 10/12/06, Bob Shannon wrote: >> > > Hello, >> > > >> > > I'm very new to my H89, and I need a little assistance. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > Or, can someone sell me bootable CP/M on high density media??? >> > > >> > >> > Hi Bob, >> > >> > I finally have a system with a working soft-sectored controller, >> > send me your address, directly if you want, and I can send one to you. >> > >> > Mark >> > -- >> >> >> >>Hi Bob, >>Hi Mark! >> >>There are several Heath/Zenith users out there, who are looking for a >>soft-sectored, CP/M and HDOS, medium to boot from. Me too. >> >>Why not storing disk-images in the software archive, just like all the >>hard-sectored? >> >>Would this not be much easier like sending floppy-disks around the world. >> >>I found a kind person from the US who was able to send me a copy of the >>soft-sectored CP/M bootdisk (5.25" 48 tpi). But during its long way to >>Germany the data were corrupted - the disk is useless for me! >> >>I'm still not able to boot my Z90, but I'm able to reproduce disks from >>images. >> >>Regards, >> >>Axel. >>-- >>Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List _________________________________________________________________ Add a Yahoo! contact to Windows Live Messenger for a chance to win a free trip! http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/yahoo/default.aspx?locale=en-us&hmtagline -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From ddl-cctech at danlan.com Sun Nov 5 13:11:45 2006 From: ddl-cctech at danlan.com (Dan Lanciani) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 14:11:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [sebhc] BIOS80 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <200611051911.OAA07276@ss10.danlan.com> I've uploaded bios80.h17, an image of the original BIOS80 distribution disk. Dan Lanciani ddl at danlan.*com -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 12:53:44 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:53:44 -0600 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) In-Reply-To: References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <704e82240611032342m7dc105a4g47b5b1fda20f9713@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240611061053j4696d2f7l2f2b2faa2135c240@mail.gmail.com> Unfortunately, I no longer have a PC with a 5 1/4" floppy. I may be able to use one of the H89's drives, but that may take some time to move all that around. Mark On 11/5/06, Harten wrote: > In message <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299 at mail.gmail.com> you wrote: > > > I'll be willing to make images, but I don't have any software to do > > that. The software I have (h89trans written by Dwight), only works > > with the hard-sectored controller. If there is some other software > > available that works for the soft-sectored disks, let me know. Which > > software are you using to reproduce the disks from images? > > > > Mark > > > > > The easiest way is ( and that's how i do it) to use a nativ old MS-DOS > (PC-clone) machine. > > Why that? These old machines have 5.25" floppy drives (often called 360 K Drive) > and there is software for reading foreign disk formats. > > In detail: > > Hardware 286 / 386 / 486 are the best machines for backing up floppy disks. > Not too fast 586 / pentium I will work also. > > One 5.25" floppy drive with 40 tracks double sided (360 k) is perfect. > A 1.2 M HD floppy drive will be able to read 40 track disks, but not to > write back. > > Another important thing is the floppy-controller. Most common controller- > cards will be able to read even single density disks. A 37C65 controller > chip will read and write single density disks. > > > OS Native MS-DOS version 4.0 and above is the best choice. > Windows 95/98 started in DOS-Mode will work also. > > Software TELEDISK is very easy to use and common. Images produced with TELEDISK > are called TD0 as this is the ending of the filenames xxxxxxxx.td0 > > There are several versions of TELEDISK, which are all a bit different. > You have to try out which version works best on your hardware. > > IMAGEDISK let you make more decisions on the way of reading the disk > and works also great for me. > > I hope this will help You! > > Regards. > > Axel > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 23:59:54 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 23:59:54 -0600 Subject: [sebhc] New Heathkit H89 owner with many questions... In-Reply-To: References: <45157AE4.5090006@earthlink.net> <002001c6e106$90adcb00$0100a8c0@screamer> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240611062159r53dc0330pf7911c8cbdf2275a@mail.gmail.com> Can some point me to where this 'init37.abs' program is supposed to be? I've looked on the HDOS 2.0 distribution disks I have and could not find it. Thanks, Mark On 9/25/06, Stanley Webb wrote: > > Try command "DIR/S" without quotes to see all files including those with "S" > or system flag set. You'll find PIP.ABS, SYSCMD.SYS, RGT.SYS, GRT.SYS and > hopefully some of the rest of HDOS. INIT37.ABS is a soft-sector floppy > initialization program, but I'm not sure if your soft-sectored controller is > an H37. With INIT37.ABS or its equivalent for you controller and SYSGEN.ABS > you should be able to copy your boot disk. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From spamspike at comcast.net Tue Nov 7 17:44:56 2006 From: spamspike at comcast.net (Stanley Webb) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:44:56 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] New Heathkit H89 owner with many questions... In-Reply-To: <704e82240611062159r53dc0330pf7911c8cbdf2275a@mail.gmail.com> References: <45157AE4.5090006@earthlink.net> <002001c6e106$90adcb00$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240611062159r53dc0330pf7911c8cbdf2275a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8AF7CE30-9AFA-4398-B83E-48374F7898F4@comcast.net> I am sorry, I was mistaken when I said init37.abs. The correct program for initializing diskettes is init.abs. It reads the device specific code it needs from the device driver on your boot disk. Sorry for my mistake. Be sure to press the space bar a couple of times when you attempt to boot a newly initialized and sysgened diskette. This helps HDOS to set the correct baud rate and allows the bootstrap to continue. Stanley On Nov 6, 2006, at 10:59 PM, Mark Garlanger wrote: > Can some point me to where this 'init37.abs' program is supposed to > be? I've looked on the HDOS 2.0 distribution disks I have and could > not find it. > > Thanks, > Mark > > On 9/25/06, Stanley Webb wrote: >> >> Try command "DIR/S" without quotes to see all files including >> those with "S" >> or system flag set. You'll find PIP.ABS, SYSCMD.SYS, RGT.SYS, >> GRT.SYS and >> hopefully some of the rest of HDOS. INIT37.ABS is a soft-sector >> floppy >> initialization program, but I'm not sure if your soft-sectored >> controller is >> an H37. With INIT37.ABS or its equivalent for you controller and >> SYSGEN.ABS >> you should be able to copy your boot disk. > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s.d.hamilton at att.net Wed Nov 8 13:07:36 2006 From: s.d.hamilton at att.net (s.d.hamilton at att.net) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:07:36 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] H8 25-pin gold plated edge connectors for PCBs Message-ID: <110820061907.20553.45522AF70006C46D00005049216037622302019B0407030E08D20BD29C@att.net> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.55 NO_REAL_NAME From: does not include a real name I believe Mouser Electronics has just about the best selection of these connecters as anyone -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From bshannon at tiac.net Thu Nov 9 08:03:04 2006 From: bshannon at tiac.net (Bob Shannon) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 09:03:04 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <704e82240611032342m7dc105a4g47b5b1fda20f9713@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240611061053j4696d2f7l2f2b2faa2135c240@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c70407$c7937380$0100a8c0@screamer> Mark, I'd be happy to donate some working 1.2 meg 5.25 inch drives if you like! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Garlanger" To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) > Unfortunately, I no longer have a PC with a 5 1/4" floppy. I may be > able to use one of the H89's drives, but that may take some time to > move all that around. > > Mark > > On 11/5/06, Harten wrote: >> In message <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299 at mail.gmail.com> >> you wrote: >> >> > I'll be willing to make images, but I don't have any software to do >> > that. The software I have (h89trans written by Dwight), only works >> > with the hard-sectored controller. If there is some other software >> > available that works for the soft-sectored disks, let me know. Which >> > software are you using to reproduce the disks from images? >> > >> > Mark >> > >> >> >> The easiest way is ( and that's how i do it) to use a nativ old MS-DOS >> (PC-clone) machine. >> >> Why that? These old machines have 5.25" floppy drives (often called 360 K >> Drive) >> and there is software for reading foreign disk formats. >> >> In detail: >> >> Hardware 286 / 386 / 486 are the best machines for backing up floppy >> disks. >> Not too fast 586 / pentium I will work also. >> >> One 5.25" floppy drive with 40 tracks double sided (360 k) is >> perfect. >> A 1.2 M HD floppy drive will be able to read 40 track disks, >> but not to >> write back. >> >> Another important thing is the floppy-controller. Most common >> controller- >> cards will be able to read even single density disks. A 37C65 >> controller >> chip will read and write single density disks. >> >> >> OS Native MS-DOS version 4.0 and above is the best choice. >> Windows 95/98 started in DOS-Mode will work also. >> >> Software TELEDISK is very easy to use and common. Images produced with >> TELEDISK >> are called TD0 as this is the ending of the filenames >> xxxxxxxx.td0 >> >> There are several versions of TELEDISK, which are all a bit >> different. >> You have to try out which version works best on your hardware. >> >> IMAGEDISK let you make more decisions on the way of reading the >> disk >> and works also great for me. >> >> I hope this will help You! >> >> Regards. >> >> Axel >> >> -- >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From bshannon at tiac.net Thu Nov 9 08:07:45 2006 From: bshannon at tiac.net (Bob Shannon) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 09:07:45 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] New Heathkit H89 owner with many questions... References: <45157AE4.5090006@earthlink.net> <002001c6e106$90adcb00$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240611062159r53dc0330pf7911c8cbdf2275a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001e01c70408$6eb147f0$0100a8c0@screamer> I can send you a bootable HDOS that has an 'INIT' program that works on the soft-sectored controller. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Garlanger" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:59 AM Subject: Re: [sebhc] New Heathkit H89 owner with many questions... > Can some point me to where this 'init37.abs' program is supposed to > be? I've looked on the HDOS 2.0 distribution disks I have and could > not find it. > > Thanks, > Mark > > On 9/25/06, Stanley Webb wrote: >> >> Try command "DIR/S" without quotes to see all files including those with >> "S" >> or system flag set. You'll find PIP.ABS, SYSCMD.SYS, RGT.SYS, GRT.SYS >> and >> hopefully some of the rest of HDOS. INIT37.ABS is a soft-sector floppy >> initialization program, but I'm not sure if your soft-sectored controller >> is >> an H37. With INIT37.ABS or its equivalent for you controller and >> SYSGEN.ABS >> you should be able to copy your boot disk. > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 11:29:25 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 11:29:25 -0600 Subject: [sebhc] New Heathkit H89 owner with many questions... In-Reply-To: <001e01c70408$6eb147f0$0100a8c0@screamer> References: <45157AE4.5090006@earthlink.net> <002001c6e106$90adcb00$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240611062159r53dc0330pf7911c8cbdf2275a@mail.gmail.com> <001e01c70408$6eb147f0$0100a8c0@screamer> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240611110929u7c03a8b1r412f1ef82734be0d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bob I have multiple copies of the HDOS distribution disks so hopefully I'll be able to get it working. Part of the issue was due to only having one hard-sectored drive to use (The system I received with a working soft-sectored controller only had the external connector for the soft-sectored one). I should have the time today to change the cable and connect my external drives to it. Hopefully that will allow me to create a soft-sectored HDOS boot disk. Mark On 11/9/06, Bob Shannon wrote: > I can send you a bootable HDOS that has an 'INIT' program that works > on the soft-sectored controller. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Garlanger" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:59 AM > Subject: Re: [sebhc] New Heathkit H89 owner with many questions... > > > > Can some point me to where this 'init37.abs' program is supposed to > > be? I've looked on the HDOS 2.0 distribution disks I have and could > > not find it. > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > On 9/25/06, Stanley Webb wrote: > >> > >> Try command "DIR/S" without quotes to see all files including those with > >> "S" > >> or system flag set. You'll find PIP.ABS, SYSCMD.SYS, RGT.SYS, GRT.SYS > >> and > >> hopefully some of the rest of HDOS. INIT37.ABS is a soft-sector floppy > >> initialization program, but I'm not sure if your soft-sectored controller > >> is > >> an H37. With INIT37.ABS or its equivalent for you controller and > >> SYSGEN.ABS > >> you should be able to copy your boot disk. > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 11:32:27 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 11:32:27 -0600 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) In-Reply-To: <000f01c70407$c7937380$0100a8c0@screamer> References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <704e82240611032342m7dc105a4g47b5b1fda20f9713@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240611061053j4696d2f7l2f2b2faa2135c240@mail.gmail.com> <000f01c70407$c7937380$0100a8c0@screamer> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240611110932j25792567ne16c8567694cb8e0@mail.gmail.com> I'm probably not going to have much time to do things with this until after New Year's, so maybe after that, if it's still needed. Thanks, Mark On 11/9/06, Bob Shannon wrote: > Mark, > > I'd be happy to donate some working 1.2 meg 5.25 inch drives if you like! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Garlanger" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:53 PM > Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) > > > > Unfortunately, I no longer have a PC with a 5 1/4" floppy. I may be > > able to use one of the H89's drives, but that may take some time to > > move all that around. > > > > Mark > > > > On 11/5/06, Harten wrote: > >> In message <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299 at mail.gmail.com> > >> you wrote: > >> > >> > I'll be willing to make images, but I don't have any software to do > >> > that. The software I have (h89trans written by Dwight), only works > >> > with the hard-sectored controller. If there is some other software > >> > available that works for the soft-sectored disks, let me know. Which > >> > software are you using to reproduce the disks from images? > >> > > >> > Mark > >> > > >> > >> > >> The easiest way is ( and that's how i do it) to use a nativ old MS-DOS > >> (PC-clone) machine. > >> > >> Why that? These old machines have 5.25" floppy drives (often called 360 K > >> Drive) > >> and there is software for reading foreign disk formats. > >> > >> In detail: > >> > >> Hardware 286 / 386 / 486 are the best machines for backing up floppy > >> disks. > >> Not too fast 586 / pentium I will work also. > >> > >> One 5.25" floppy drive with 40 tracks double sided (360 k) is > >> perfect. > >> A 1.2 M HD floppy drive will be able to read 40 track disks, > >> but not to > >> write back. > >> > >> Another important thing is the floppy-controller. Most common > >> controller- > >> cards will be able to read even single density disks. A 37C65 > >> controller > >> chip will read and write single density disks. > >> > >> > >> OS Native MS-DOS version 4.0 and above is the best choice. > >> Windows 95/98 started in DOS-Mode will work also. > >> > >> Software TELEDISK is very easy to use and common. Images produced with > >> TELEDISK > >> are called TD0 as this is the ending of the filenames > >> xxxxxxxx.td0 > >> > >> There are several versions of TELEDISK, which are all a bit > >> different. > >> You have to try out which version works best on your hardware. > >> > >> IMAGEDISK let you make more decisions on the way of reading the > >> disk > >> and works also great for me. > >> > >> I hope this will help You! > >> > >> Regards. > >> > >> Axel > >> > >> -- > >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > >> > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Sun Nov 12 15:23:38 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:23:38 -0600 Subject: [sebhc] Extra REMarks Message-ID: <704e82240611121323l5fc5e6f6jb0aee28c24658af6@mail.gmail.com> I have 7 duplicate issues of REMark that I would be willing to trade for issues I don't have or maybe something else. Extra Issues (all from 1983): #36 - Jan #42-#47 - July - Dec Issues I'm missing: Issues #1 - #8 Jan 1984 - Mar 85 July & Aug 85 Nov 85 Jan 86 - ??? Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Sun Nov 12 15:35:47 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:35:47 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Extra REMarks In-Reply-To: <704e82240611121323l5fc5e6f6jb0aee28c24658af6@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <001f01c706a2$846c57f0$6601a8c0@barry> What was the date of the last issue of Remark? -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Garlanger Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 16:24 PM To: sebhc Subject: [sebhc] Extra REMarks I have 7 duplicate issues of REMark that I would be willing to trade for issues I don't have or maybe something else. Extra Issues (all from 1983): #36 - Jan #42-#47 - July - Dec Issues I'm missing: Issues #1 - #8 Jan 1984 - Mar 85 July & Aug 85 Nov 85 Jan 86 - ??? Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From bshannon at tiac.net Sun Nov 12 19:05:28 2006 From: bshannon at tiac.net (Bob Shannon) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 20:05:28 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <704e82240611032342m7dc105a4g47b5b1fda20f9713@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240611061053j4696d2f7l2f2b2faa2135c240@mail.gmail.com> <000f01c70407$c7937380$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240611110932j25792567ne16c8567694cb8e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001e01c706bf$cff48fe0$0100a8c0@screamer> Hello Mark, Still very much needed, but no rush. Thanks in advance, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Garlanger" To: Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) > I'm probably not going to have much time to do things with this until > after New Year's, so maybe after that, if it's still needed. > > Thanks, > Mark > > On 11/9/06, Bob Shannon wrote: >> Mark, >> >> I'd be happy to donate some working 1.2 meg 5.25 inch drives if you like! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Garlanger" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) >> >> >> > Unfortunately, I no longer have a PC with a 5 1/4" floppy. I may be >> > able to use one of the H89's drives, but that may take some time to >> > move all that around. >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > On 11/5/06, Harten wrote: >> >> In message >> >> <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299 at mail.gmail.com> >> >> you wrote: >> >> >> >> > I'll be willing to make images, but I don't have any software to do >> >> > that. The software I have (h89trans written by Dwight), only works >> >> > with the hard-sectored controller. If there is some other software >> >> > available that works for the soft-sectored disks, let me know. Which >> >> > software are you using to reproduce the disks from images? >> >> > >> >> > Mark >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> The easiest way is ( and that's how i do it) to use a nativ old MS-DOS >> >> (PC-clone) machine. >> >> >> >> Why that? These old machines have 5.25" floppy drives (often called >> >> 360 K >> >> Drive) >> >> and there is software for reading foreign disk formats. >> >> >> >> In detail: >> >> >> >> Hardware 286 / 386 / 486 are the best machines for backing up floppy >> >> disks. >> >> Not too fast 586 / pentium I will work also. >> >> >> >> One 5.25" floppy drive with 40 tracks double sided (360 k) >> >> is >> >> perfect. >> >> A 1.2 M HD floppy drive will be able to read 40 track disks, >> >> but not to >> >> write back. >> >> >> >> Another important thing is the floppy-controller. Most >> >> common >> >> controller- >> >> cards will be able to read even single density disks. A >> >> 37C65 >> >> controller >> >> chip will read and write single density disks. >> >> >> >> >> >> OS Native MS-DOS version 4.0 and above is the best choice. >> >> Windows 95/98 started in DOS-Mode will work also. >> >> >> >> Software TELEDISK is very easy to use and common. Images produced >> >> with >> >> TELEDISK >> >> are called TD0 as this is the ending of the filenames >> >> xxxxxxxx.td0 >> >> >> >> There are several versions of TELEDISK, which are all a bit >> >> different. >> >> You have to try out which version works best on your >> >> hardware. >> >> >> >> IMAGEDISK let you make more decisions on the way of reading >> >> the >> >> disk >> >> and works also great for me. >> >> >> >> I hope this will help You! >> >> >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> Axel >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> >> >> > -- >> > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> > >> >> >> -- >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Sun Nov 12 22:02:23 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:02:23 -0600 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) In-Reply-To: <001e01c706bf$cff48fe0$0100a8c0@screamer> References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <704e82240611032342m7dc105a4g47b5b1fda20f9713@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240611061053j4696d2f7l2f2b2faa2135c240@mail.gmail.com> <000f01c70407$c7937380$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240611110932j25792567ne16c8567694cb8e0@mail.gmail.com> <001e01c706bf$cff48fe0$0100a8c0@screamer> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240611122002p6846212cg2a3dd5c98561ec28@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bob, I was actually referring to your offer of the 1.2M floppies, I wouldn't have time to use them for a while. I'll definitely get the CP/M disk out to you... it's copied and ready. The HDOS will depend on if I can re-cable my new system or connect one of my other systems up to the external hard-sectored drives and make soft-sectored HDOS disk. My newly acquired system with the working soft-sectored controller was part a HUGE collection of heath equipment I received and I'm still trying to inventory and organize all of it. Mark On 11/12/06, Bob Shannon wrote: > Hello Mark, > > Still very much needed, but no rush. > > Thanks in advance, > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Garlanger" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) > > > > I'm probably not going to have much time to do things with this until > > after New Year's, so maybe after that, if it's still needed. > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > On 11/9/06, Bob Shannon wrote: > >> Mark, > >> > >> I'd be happy to donate some working 1.2 meg 5.25 inch drives if you like! > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Mark Garlanger" > >> To: > >> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:53 PM > >> Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) > >> > >> > >> > Unfortunately, I no longer have a PC with a 5 1/4" floppy. I may be > >> > able to use one of the H89's drives, but that may take some time to > >> > move all that around. > >> > > >> > Mark > >> > > >> > On 11/5/06, Harten wrote: > >> >> In message > >> >> <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299 at mail.gmail.com> > >> >> you wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > I'll be willing to make images, but I don't have any software to do > >> >> > that. The software I have (h89trans written by Dwight), only works > >> >> > with the hard-sectored controller. If there is some other software > >> >> > available that works for the soft-sectored disks, let me know. Which > >> >> > software are you using to reproduce the disks from images? > >> >> > > >> >> > Mark > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> The easiest way is ( and that's how i do it) to use a nativ old MS-DOS > >> >> (PC-clone) machine. > >> >> > >> >> Why that? These old machines have 5.25" floppy drives (often called > >> >> 360 K > >> >> Drive) > >> >> and there is software for reading foreign disk formats. > >> >> > >> >> In detail: > >> >> > >> >> Hardware 286 / 386 / 486 are the best machines for backing up floppy > >> >> disks. > >> >> Not too fast 586 / pentium I will work also. > >> >> > >> >> One 5.25" floppy drive with 40 tracks double sided (360 k) > >> >> is > >> >> perfect. > >> >> A 1.2 M HD floppy drive will be able to read 40 track disks, > >> >> but not to > >> >> write back. > >> >> > >> >> Another important thing is the floppy-controller. Most > >> >> common > >> >> controller- > >> >> cards will be able to read even single density disks. A > >> >> 37C65 > >> >> controller > >> >> chip will read and write single density disks. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> OS Native MS-DOS version 4.0 and above is the best choice. > >> >> Windows 95/98 started in DOS-Mode will work also. > >> >> > >> >> Software TELEDISK is very easy to use and common. Images produced > >> >> with > >> >> TELEDISK > >> >> are called TD0 as this is the ending of the filenames > >> >> xxxxxxxx.td0 > >> >> > >> >> There are several versions of TELEDISK, which are all a bit > >> >> different. > >> >> You have to try out which version works best on your > >> >> hardware. > >> >> > >> >> IMAGEDISK let you make more decisions on the way of reading > >> >> the > >> >> disk > >> >> and works also great for me. > >> >> > >> >> I hope this will help You! > >> >> > >> >> Regards. > >> >> > >> >> Axel > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > >> >> > >> > -- > >> > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > >> > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From huskycan at terra.es Thu Nov 23 00:32:12 2006 From: huskycan at terra.es (Francisco Rabazas) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 07:32:12 +0100 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <704e82240611032342m7dc105a4g47b5b1fda20f9713@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003501c70ec9$1cd27b40$800101df@franky> Hello Where I can get the images for my computer Genesys Z-90 (clone of Zenith) with floppy drive Z-37? CP/M, HDOS? sorry by my English. Speak Spanish? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harten" To: Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) > In message <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299 at mail.gmail.com> > you wrote: > >> I'll be willing to make images, but I don't have any software to do >> that. The software I have (h89trans written by Dwight), only works >> with the hard-sectored controller. If there is some other software >> available that works for the soft-sectored disks, let me know. Which >> software are you using to reproduce the disks from images? >> >> Mark >> > > > The easiest way is ( and that's how i do it) to use a nativ old MS-DOS > (PC-clone) machine. > > Why that? These old machines have 5.25" floppy drives (often called 360 K > Drive) > and there is software for reading foreign disk formats. > > In detail: > > Hardware 286 / 386 / 486 are the best machines for backing up floppy > disks. > Not too fast 586 / pentium I will work also. > > One 5.25" floppy drive with 40 tracks double sided (360 k) is > perfect. > A 1.2 M HD floppy drive will be able to read 40 track disks, but > not to > write back. > > Another important thing is the floppy-controller. Most common > controller- > cards will be able to read even single density disks. A 37C65 > controller > chip will read and write single density disks. > > > OS Native MS-DOS version 4.0 and above is the best choice. > Windows 95/98 started in DOS-Mode will work also. > > Software TELEDISK is very easy to use and common. Images produced with > TELEDISK > are called TD0 as this is the ending of the filenames > xxxxxxxx.td0 > > There are several versions of TELEDISK, which are all a bit > different. > You have to try out which version works best on your hardware. > > IMAGEDISK let you make more decisions on the way of reading the > disk > and works also great for me. > > I hope this will help You! > > Regards. > > Axel > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From harten at injectstar.de Thu Nov 23 14:39:45 2006 From: harten at injectstar.de (Harten) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 21:39:45 +0100 Subject: [sebhc] Wanted! CP/M and or HDOS Boot Disk In-Reply-To: <704e82240611110932j25792567ne16c8567694cb8e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <704e82240611032342m7dc105a4g47b5b1fda20f9713@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240611061053j4696d2f7l2f2b2faa2135c240@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240611110932j25792567ne16c8567694cb8e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi! I'm still looking for a Boot-Disk for my Z90, as other people too. Who would be so kind to make a copy of his set of boot-disks for the soft-sector controller (H37). I will pay for the trouble! I live in Germany, but this should not be a problem, as the disks fit into a relative small envelope. If i get a working disk, i'm going to produce a disk-image for the Heath/Zenith software-archive. Regards, Axel Harten (harten at injectstar.de) -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From wm65805 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 28 11:07:20 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:07:20 -0600 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <704e82240611032342m7dc105a4g47b5b1fda20f9713@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299@mail.gmail.com> <003501c70ec9$1cd27b40$800101df@franky> Message-ID: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:10:16 +0000 HI -- I think they are in the archives. bill .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco Rabazas" To: Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) > Hello > > Where I can get the images for my computer Genesys Z-90 (clone of Zenith) > with floppy drive Z-37? > > CP/M, HDOS? > > sorry by my English. > > Speak Spanish? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harten" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 1:14 PM > Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) > > > > In message <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299 at mail.gmail.com> > > you wrote: > > > >> I'll be willing to make images, but I don't have any software to do > >> that. The software I have (h89trans written by Dwight), only works > >> with the hard-sectored controller. If there is some other software > >> available that works for the soft-sectored disks, let me know. Which > >> software are you using to reproduce the disks from images? > >> > >> Mark > >> > > > > > > The easiest way is ( and that's how i do it) to use a nativ old MS-DOS > > (PC-clone) machine. > > > > Why that? These old machines have 5.25" floppy drives (often called 360 K > > Drive) > > and there is software for reading foreign disk formats. > > > > In detail: > > > > Hardware 286 / 386 / 486 are the best machines for backing up floppy > > disks. > > Not too fast 586 / pentium I will work also. > > > > One 5.25" floppy drive with 40 tracks double sided (360 k) is > > perfect. > > A 1.2 M HD floppy drive will be able to read 40 track disks, but > > not to > > write back. > > > > Another important thing is the floppy-controller. Most common > > controller- > > cards will be able to read even single density disks. A 37C65 > > controller > > chip will read and write single density disks. > > > > > > OS Native MS-DOS version 4.0 and above is the best choice. > > Windows 95/98 started in DOS-Mode will work also. > > > > Software TELEDISK is very easy to use and common. Images produced with > > TELEDISK > > are called TD0 as this is the ending of the filenames > > xxxxxxxx.td0 > > > > There are several versions of TELEDISK, which are all a bit > > different. > > You have to try out which version works best on your hardware. > > > > IMAGEDISK let you make more decisions on the way of reading the > > disk > > and works also great for me. > > > > I hope this will help You! > > > > Regards. > > > > Axel > > > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From huskycan at terra.es Tue Nov 28 23:50:00 2006 From: huskycan at terra.es (Francisco Rabazas) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:50:00 +0100 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <704e82240611032342m7dc105a4g47b5b1fda20f9713@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299@mail.gmail.com> <003501c70ec9$1cd27b40$800101df@franky> Message-ID: <001201c7137a$35e338d0$800101df@franky> Hello In that directory they are the images SO? In that format the SO images are? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill malcolm" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) > HI -- I think they are in the archives. > bill .. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Francisco Rabazas" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) > > >> Hello >> >> Where I can get the images for my computer Genesys Z-90 (clone of Zenith) >> with floppy drive Z-37? >> >> CP/M, HDOS? >> >> sorry by my English. >> >> Speak Spanish? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Harten" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 1:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) >> >> >> > In message >> > <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299 at mail.gmail.com> >> > you wrote: >> > >> >> I'll be willing to make images, but I don't have any software to do >> >> that. The software I have (h89trans written by Dwight), only works >> >> with the hard-sectored controller. If there is some other software >> >> available that works for the soft-sectored disks, let me know. Which >> >> software are you using to reproduce the disks from images? >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> > >> > >> > The easiest way is ( and that's how i do it) to use a nativ old MS-DOS >> > (PC-clone) machine. >> > >> > Why that? These old machines have 5.25" floppy drives (often called 360 > K >> > Drive) >> > and there is software for reading foreign disk formats. >> > >> > In detail: >> > >> > Hardware 286 / 386 / 486 are the best machines for backing up floppy >> > disks. >> > Not too fast 586 / pentium I will work also. >> > >> > One 5.25" floppy drive with 40 tracks double sided (360 k) is >> > perfect. >> > A 1.2 M HD floppy drive will be able to read 40 track disks, > but >> > not to >> > write back. >> > >> > Another important thing is the floppy-controller. Most common >> > controller- >> > cards will be able to read even single density disks. A 37C65 >> > controller >> > chip will read and write single density disks. >> > >> > >> > OS Native MS-DOS version 4.0 and above is the best choice. >> > Windows 95/98 started in DOS-Mode will work also. >> > >> > Software TELEDISK is very easy to use and common. Images produced with >> > TELEDISK >> > are called TD0 as this is the ending of the filenames >> > xxxxxxxx.td0 >> > >> > There are several versions of TELEDISK, which are all a bit >> > different. >> > You have to try out which version works best on your hardware. >> > >> > IMAGEDISK let you make more decisions on the way of reading >> > the >> > disk >> > and works also great for me. >> > >> > I hope this will help You! >> > >> > Regards. >> > >> > Axel >> > >> > -- >> > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> >> -- >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 17:35:53 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:35:53 -0600 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) In-Reply-To: <003501c70ec9$1cd27b40$800101df@franky> References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <704e82240611032342m7dc105a4g47b5b1fda20f9713@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299@mail.gmail.com> <003501c70ec9$1cd27b40$800101df@franky> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240611291535r379caa9dq9a38069d70466502@mail.gmail.com> I sent out a copy of CP/M on soft-sectored disks to Bob Shannon, maybe he'll have a chance to make an image of it. I didn't have time to make a soft-sectored HDOS disk though, and won't be able to do anything with my heath computers until after the New Year. Have you looked at the 'unofficial' HDOS 3.0 images that are in the archives? If I remember correctly, the notes mentioned that they are soft-sectored images but I haven't had a chance to played with them to verify that. On 11/23/06, Francisco Rabazas wrote: > Hello > > Where I can get the images for my computer Genesys Z-90 (clone of Zenith) > with floppy drive Z-37? > > CP/M, HDOS? > > sorry by my English. > > Speak Spanish? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harten" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 1:14 PM > Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) > > > > In message <704e82240611041107y4f5ac9f6k23d8d88210cc5299 at mail.gmail.com> > > you wrote: > > > >> I'll be willing to make images, but I don't have any software to do > >> that. The software I have (h89trans written by Dwight), only works > >> with the hard-sectored controller. If there is some other software > >> available that works for the soft-sectored disks, let me know. Which > >> software are you using to reproduce the disks from images? > >> > >> Mark > >> > > > > > > The easiest way is ( and that's how i do it) to use a nativ old MS-DOS > > (PC-clone) machine. > > > > Why that? These old machines have 5.25" floppy drives (often called 360 K > > Drive) > > and there is software for reading foreign disk formats. > > > > In detail: > > > > Hardware 286 / 386 / 486 are the best machines for backing up floppy > > disks. > > Not too fast 586 / pentium I will work also. > > > > One 5.25" floppy drive with 40 tracks double sided (360 k) is > > perfect. > > A 1.2 M HD floppy drive will be able to read 40 track disks, but > > not to > > write back. > > > > Another important thing is the floppy-controller. Most common > > controller- > > cards will be able to read even single density disks. A 37C65 > > controller > > chip will read and write single density disks. > > > > > > OS Native MS-DOS version 4.0 and above is the best choice. > > Windows 95/98 started in DOS-Mode will work also. > > > > Software TELEDISK is very easy to use and common. Images produced with > > TELEDISK > > are called TD0 as this is the ending of the filenames > > xxxxxxxx.td0 > > > > There are several versions of TELEDISK, which are all a bit > > different. > > You have to try out which version works best on your hardware. > > > > IMAGEDISK let you make more decisions on the way of reading the > > disk > > and works also great for me. > > > > I hope this will help You! > > > > Regards. > > > > Axel > > > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From ddl-cctech at danlan.com Thu Nov 30 01:28:05 2006 From: ddl-cctech at danlan.com (Dan Lanciani) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 02:28:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <200611300728.CAA17937@ss10.danlan.com> |Have you looked at the 'unofficial' HDOS 3.0 images that are in the |archives? If I remember correctly, the notes mentioned that they are |soft-sectored images but I haven't had a chance to played with them to |verify that. They are soft sector, single sided, single density. They are also "official" at least in the sense that they were what was being sold as HDOS 3.0 just before whoever-it-was decided that he wasn't going to release the source code after all (because it was too hard to use or some such silliness) and I lost interest. Dan Lanciani ddl at danlan.*com -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 11:32:03 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:32:03 -0600 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) In-Reply-To: <200611300728.CAA17937@ss10.danlan.com> References: <200611300728.CAA17937@ss10.danlan.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240611300932i5239670p63cb54f67c596351@mail.gmail.com> On 11/30/06, Dan Lanciani wrote: > |Have you looked at the 'unofficial' HDOS 3.0 images that are in the > |archives? If I remember correctly, the notes mentioned that they are > |soft-sectored images but I haven't had a chance to played with them to > |verify that. > > They are soft sector, single sided, single density. They are also > "official" at least in the sense that they were what was being sold > as HDOS 3.0 just before whoever-it-was decided that he wasn't going > to release the source code after all (because it was too hard to > use or some such silliness) and I lost interest. > Any instructions on how to write out these disk images? Also, I think all the source code is now included in the zip file. Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List