From RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com Mon Oct 9 10:56:29 2006 From: RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com (West, Ronald S.) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:56:29 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <58FCC1586AD7884BB367EA05255643BC01D3D5A9@0015-its-exmb05.us.saic.com> I have an idea. How about a stand-alone interface device (using a PIC or something) that adapts an IDE hard drive to the H67 port. We wouldn't have to change any ROM's or write any device drivers for it. It would function as an H67 disk as far as the OS was concerned. I have been playing with PIC devices for couple of years now for classes I have been taking and think this would be a pretty neat project and a good application for one of these things. Only thing I don't know is what the format of the H67 disk was. Does anyone have that information? Ron -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of bill malcolm Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 5:50 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. HI: Idea use IDE as only 8 bit. This is done sending a cmd to IDE drive. Then you can have 2 volumes by accessing as below. Normal IDE sector or block is 512 bytes SO... 1st volume uses bytes 0-254 2.nd volume uses bytes 255-511 bill .. more later... -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Mon Oct 9 22:38:41 2006 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:38:41 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. In-Reply-To: <58FCC1586AD7884BB367EA05255643BC01D3D5A9@0015-its-exmb05.us.saic.com> References: <58FCC1586AD7884BB367EA05255643BC01D3D5A9@0015-its-exmb05.us.saic.com> Message-ID: <452B15C1.2010208@earthlink.net> West, Ronald S. wrote: > I have an idea. How about a stand-alone interface device (using > a PIC or something) that adapts an IDE hard drive to the H67 port. > We wouldn't have to change any ROMs or write any device drivers > for it. It would function as an H67 disk as far as the OS was > concerned. It's even simpler than that. Get a SCSI hard drive, and it will plug right into the H67 interface. If the SCSI drive is formatted to 10 megs, it will work with the existing Heath PART and PREP software. If the SCSI hard drive is some other size, then the stock Heath software will ignore any capacity beyond 10 megs. But someone should be able to disassemble and rewrite PREP and PART for other sizes. Several aftermarket companies that made their own H89 hard drives did this (Magnolia, Sigmasoft, etc.) With luck, maybe we could find a copy of their software, or even someone who has the source! > Only thing I don't know is what the format of the H67 disk was. > Does anyone have that information? I believe it was formatted with 256 byte sectors. Any SCSI drive you find used (they are common in Macs) will probably be formatted for 512 byte sectors. -- Ring the bells that still can ring Forget the perfect offering There is a crack in everything That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Mon Oct 9 23:49:17 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 23:49:17 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. In-Reply-To: <452B15C1.2010208@earthlink.net> References: <58FCC1586AD7884BB367EA05255643BC01D3D5A9@0015-its-exmb05.us.saic.com> <452B15C1.2010208@earthlink.net> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240610092149j760562fcl2739de4e8b915851@mail.gmail.com> On 10/9/06, Lee Hart wrote: > West, Ronald S. wrote: > > I have an idea. How about a stand-alone interface device (using > > a PIC or something) that adapts an IDE hard drive to the H67 port. > > We wouldn't have to change any ROMs or write any device drivers > > for it. It would function as an H67 disk as far as the OS was > > concerned. > > It's even simpler than that. Get a SCSI hard drive, and it will plug > right into the H67 interface. If the SCSI drive is formatted to 10 megs, > it will work with the existing Heath PART and PREP software. > That may be simplier, but probably will still require some work. I was searching for some more information on SASI drives and came across a couple of pages that stated or implied a conversion may be needed. On this page they describe their SASI or SCSI 1 to SCSI adapter: http://www.peripheral-vision.com/pdf/ss1.pdf On this other page, it shows that of the drives that are available, only one states that it's compatible with SASI. Two other ones state "We support the drive in SCSI-2 systems and in some SASI systems." The others ones state "installable only in SCSI-2 systems. Operation in SASI systems is not supported." http://www.alphamicroproducts.com/mktbultn/98-16.pdf Here it states: "Part of the original SCSI interface was based on SASI. However, second generation SCSI eliminated most of the SASI specifications." http://cynosurex.granax.com/SCSI/SCSI_Introduction.html In addition to finding the right drive, you will also have to build the cable since it's not the same pin-out (or even number of pins). Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com Tue Oct 10 09:27:56 2006 From: RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com (West, Ronald S.) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:27:56 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. In-Reply-To: <452B15C1.2010208@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <58FCC1586AD7884BB367EA05255643BC01D3D5AD@0015-its-exmb05.us.saic.com> Lee Hart wrote: >It's even simpler than that. Get a SCSI hard drive, and it will plug right into the H67 >interface. If the SCSI drive is formatted to 10 megs, it will work with the existing >Heath PART and PREP software. I was looking on the SEBHC site for these utilities and didn't find them. Does anyone have these? Ron -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Tue Oct 10 09:46:16 2006 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:46:16 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. In-Reply-To: <704e82240610092149j760562fcl2739de4e8b915851@mail.gmail.com> References: <58FCC1586AD7884BB367EA05255643BC01D3D5A9@0015-its-exmb05.us.saic.com> <452B15C1.2010208@earthlink.net> <704e82240610092149j760562fcl2739de4e8b915851@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <452BB238.8080101@earthlink.net> Lee Hart wrote: >> It's even simpler than that. Get a SCSI hard drive, and it will plug >> right into the H67 interface. If the SCSI drive is formatted to 10 megs, >> it will work with the existing Heath PART and PREP software. Mark Garlanger wrote: > That may be simpler, but probably will still require some work. I was > searching for some more information on SASI drives and came across a > couple of pages that stated or implied a conversion may be needed. When I did this, I used old Macintosh hard drives, which were SCSI drives on the order of 10-40 megabytes built in the 1980's. The few I tried all worked. As time passed, I'm sure that SCSI drive manufacturers gradually abandoned the older SASI protocol. If you used one of these drives, you'd have to make some changes to the Heath software. Hopefully, this would be less onerous than rewriting the ICE hard disk software from scratch. Newer SCSI drives built for modern PCs are more likely to be SCSI-II, which is a different beast. -- Ring the bells that still can ring Forget the perfect offering There is a crack in everything That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From wm65805 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 11 10:58:16 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:58:16 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. References: <58FCC1586AD7884BB367EA05255643BC01D3D5A9@0015-its-exmb05.us.saic.com> <452B15C1.2010208@earthlink.net> <704e82240610092149j760562fcl2739de4e8b915851@mail.gmail.com> <452BB238.8080101@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:59:23 +0000 Where can I find PART & PREP software? thanks. bill .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Hart" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. > Lee Hart wrote: > >> It's even simpler than that. Get a SCSI hard drive, and it will plug > >> right into the H67 interface. If the SCSI drive is formatted to 10 megs, > >> it will work with the existing Heath PART and PREP software. > > Mark Garlanger wrote: > > That may be simpler, but probably will still require some work. I was > > searching for some more information on SASI drives and came across a > > couple of pages that stated or implied a conversion may be needed. > > When I did this, I used old Macintosh hard drives, which were SCSI > drives on the order of 10-40 megabytes built in the 1980's. The few I > tried all worked. > > As time passed, I'm sure that SCSI drive manufacturers gradually > abandoned the older SASI protocol. If you used one of these drives, > you'd have to make some changes to the Heath software. Hopefully, this > would be less onerous than rewriting the ICE hard disk software from > scratch. > > Newer SCSI drives built for modern PCs are more likely to be SCSI-II, > which is a different beast. > -- > Ring the bells that still can ring > Forget the perfect offering > There is a crack in everything > That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen > -- > Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From ddl-cctech at danlan.com Wed Oct 11 13:52:40 2006 From: ddl-cctech at danlan.com (Dan Lanciani) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <200610111852.OAA13836@ss10.danlan.com> |Where can I find PART & PREP software? During the last cycle of interest in this I posted PREP.ABS to the list (it's pretty small) but apparently nobody ever tried it. I can upload them both if you like. Dan Lanciani ddl at danlan.*com -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com Wed Oct 11 15:19:18 2006 From: RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com (West, Ronald S.) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:19:18 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. In-Reply-To: <200610111852.OAA13836@ss10.danlan.com> Message-ID: <58FCC1586AD7884BB367EA05255643BC01D3D5C7@0015-its-exmb05.us.saic.com> Dan, Thanks, would appreciate that. Ron -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Dan Lanciani Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 2:53 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. |Where can I find PART & PREP software? During the last cycle of interest in this I posted PREP.ABS to the list (it's pretty small) but apparently nobody ever tried it. I can upload them both if you like. Dan Lanciani ddl at danlan.*com -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Wed Oct 11 19:03:49 2006 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:03:49 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. In-Reply-To: References: <58FCC1586AD7884BB367EA05255643BC01D3D5A9@0015-its-exmb05.us.saic.com> <452B15C1.2010208@earthlink.net> <704e82240610092149j760562fcl2739de4e8b915851@mail.gmail.com> <452BB238.8080101@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <452D8665.8010109@earthlink.net> bill malcolm wrote: > Where can I find PART & PREP software? On the 8" floppy disk that came with the Heath H67 system. It was a self-booting disk, not apparently CP/M or HDOS (though I suspect it was HDOS). I don't have this disk anymore; it was sold with my H67 system. But maybe someone has it, or an image of it. -- Ring the bells that still can ring Forget the perfect offering There is a crack in everything That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From ddl-cctech at danlan.com Wed Oct 11 22:48:09 2006 From: ddl-cctech at danlan.com (Dan Lanciani) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [sebhc] preppart.zip Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> I have uploaded preppart.zip (containing PREP.ABS and PART.ABS). Dan Lanciani ddl at danlan.*com -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From huskycan at terra.es Thu Oct 12 02:07:35 2006 From: huskycan at terra.es (Francisco Rabazas) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:07:35 +0200 Subject: [sebhc] preppart.zip References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> Message-ID: <000201c6edcd$199b13f0$800101df@franky> Where they are? As I can obtain them? I have a computer Genesys Z90 (clone of a Heath/Zenith) with the disk drive Z37 I look for an image of the system CP/M Can somebody help me? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Lanciani" To: Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:48 AM Subject: [sebhc] preppart.zip >I have uploaded preppart.zip (containing PREP.ABS and PART.ABS). > > Dan Lanciani > ddl at danlan.*com > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From bshannon at tiac.net Thu Oct 12 10:44:47 2006 From: bshannon at tiac.net (Bob Shannon) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:44:47 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <000201c6edcd$199b13f0$800101df@franky> Message-ID: <003a01c6ee15$59cd79c0$0100a8c0@screamer> Hello, I'm very new to my H89, and I need a little assistance. I have a working H89 with high density floppy drives. I only have one (worn) bootable diskette for the machine. I have formatted a blank 5.25 floppy and I'm able to mount it and move files to it, etc. The 5.15 inch media I'm using is not double-sided, but the formatting software asked about this and the media formatted without errors. When I attempt to SYSGEN, I get an error message. It appears that the O/S is looking for a file called ONESWAP.ABS. This file does not appear on my bootable floppy when I perform a DIR/S. How can I make a backup bootable disk? Can someone make high-density copies of the original HDOS software for me? I'm willing to pay for the trouble and shipping, etc. My HDOS disk has an old copy of Microsoft Basic for HDOS. If this is not already available from the archive, how can I post this for others? Or, can someone sell me bootable CP/M on high density media??? About my H89: The machine has 64K, someone piggy-backed a fourth set of 16K DRAM's on top of one bank, then ran a rework wire across the top row for the needed strobe signal. There are three expansion boards installed, the high density floppy controller, a 3 port serial board, and what appears to be the hard-sectored floppy controller. There are two connectors for external floppy drives on the back, but I've not yet traced out the cables to see which connectors are for which controller. Would it be possible to use something like the SVD with my hard-sectored controller to build high density bootable HDOS disks? Is there no on-line documentation for HDOS? Can anyone here help me get this machine into a more usable state? -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 11:19:57 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:19:57 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] preppart.zip In-Reply-To: <000201c6edcd$199b13f0$800101df@franky> References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <000201c6edcd$199b13f0$800101df@franky> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240610120919l2be78521te7cb523740e5b084@mail.gmail.com> On 10/12/06, Francisco Rabazas wrote: > Where they are? > The are in the archives, but they have to be moved before they can be downloaded. That usually happens within a day or two. But unless you have an H67 controller and ancient sasi or scsi-1 harddrive you won't need it. All the information needed to access the archives is in the welcome message you received when joining sebhc. > As I can obtain them? > > I have a computer Genesys Z90 (clone of a Heath/Zenith) with the disk drive > Z37 > Wow, I never knew that there were clones of the Z90. I'd be interested in seeing a picture of it. > I look for an image of the system CP/M > > Can somebody help me? > > I have a copy of them on soft-sectored disks, but unfortunately after many attempts, I still don't have a working soft-sectored controller (Z-37) needed to make copies. Hopefully that will change 'shortly' - I should be receiving a H/Z89 with a working soft-sectored controller installed. It's taken almost a year, but it now sounds like that system is packed and ready for shipping - so hopefully... soon .. it will be arriving. Once I get it, I should be able to make a copy for you. Mark > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Lanciani" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:48 AM > Subject: [sebhc] preppart.zip > > > >I have uploaded preppart.zip (containing PREP.ABS and PART.ABS). > > > > Dan Lanciani > > ddl at danlan.*com > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 11:51:52 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:51:52 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) In-Reply-To: <003a01c6ee15$59cd79c0$0100a8c0@screamer> References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <000201c6edcd$199b13f0$800101df@franky> <003a01c6ee15$59cd79c0$0100a8c0@screamer> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240610120951r7bc5bd8dp417d1ba56dccb830@mail.gmail.com> On 10/12/06, Bob Shannon wrote: > Hello, > > I'm very new to my H89, and I need a little assistance. > > I have a working H89 with high density floppy drives. > > I only have one (worn) bootable diskette for the machine. I have formatted > a blank 5.25 floppy and I'm able > to mount it and move files to it, etc. The 5.15 inch media I'm using is not > double-sided, but the formatting > software asked about this and the media formatted without errors. > > When I attempt to SYSGEN, I get an error message. It appears that the O/S > is looking for a file called > ONESWAP.ABS. This file does not appear on my bootable floppy when I perform > a DIR/S. > > How can I make a backup bootable disk? > > Can someone make high-density copies of the original HDOS software for me? > I'm willing to pay > for the trouble and shipping, etc. > I should/hopefully be getting a system with a working soft-sectored contoller. When/if that arrives, I'll be able to make you a copy of the OSs. Or if I can get my rusted soft-sectored controller, which was working intermittently for a few weeks, to work again, I can try to make you a copy. > My HDOS disk has an old copy of Microsoft Basic for HDOS. If this is not > already available from the > archive, how can I post this for others? > > Or, can someone sell me bootable CP/M on high density media??? > I'll be able to provide you with this too, once I get a working controller. > About my H89: > > The machine has 64K, someone piggy-backed a fourth set of 16K DRAM's on top > of one bank, then > ran a rework wire across the top row for the needed strobe signal. > One of my systems has that same modification... the cheap way to get up to 64k. > There are three expansion boards installed, the high density floppy > controller, a 3 port serial board, and > what appears to be the hard-sectored floppy controller. > > There are two connectors for external floppy drives on the back, but I've > not yet traced out the cables to > see which connectors are for which controller. > > Would it be possible to use something like the SVD with my hard-sectored > controller to build high density > bootable HDOS disks? > That would also work, but from what's on his site, it appears that the SVD guy has temporarily suspended filling any more orders and is instead working a on new version of the hardware. > Is there no on-line documentation for HDOS? > There are HDOS manuals in PDF form in the archives, the welcome message to the group included information on how to access the archives. > Can anyone here help me get this machine into a more usable state? > > I'll try to work on my rusted controller some more... actually I think I made a back-up copy of the three CP/M disks onto one disk which I can send you... I'll double-check tonight since I may have only copied it to a 3.5" disk. Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Thu Oct 12 11:54:41 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:54:41 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) In-Reply-To: <003a01c6ee15$59cd79c0$0100a8c0@screamer> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <001701c6ee1f$1cf36d70$6600a8c0@barry> Does the HDOS USER manual for the early versions of HDOS exist as a PDF? If it does not, and if anyone has a loose-leaf (3-ring binder, 3-hole punch) version of it, I'm willing to scan it to a PDF file and return the original. Presumably HDSO 2 is the version that most people are using/would want. [I know that that there is a PDF file for HDOS 3, I have that.] Barry Watzman Watzman at neo.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:45 AM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) Hello, I'm very new to my H89, and I need a little assistance. I have a working H89 with high density floppy drives. I only have one (worn) bootable diskette for the machine. I have formatted a blank 5.25 floppy and I'm able to mount it and move files to it, etc. The 5.15 inch media I'm using is not double-sided, but the formatting software asked about this and the media formatted without errors. When I attempt to SYSGEN, I get an error message. It appears that the O/S is looking for a file called ONESWAP.ABS. This file does not appear on my bootable floppy when I perform a DIR/S. How can I make a backup bootable disk? Can someone make high-density copies of the original HDOS software for me? I'm willing to pay for the trouble and shipping, etc. My HDOS disk has an old copy of Microsoft Basic for HDOS. If this is not already available from the archive, how can I post this for others? Or, can someone sell me bootable CP/M on high density media??? About my H89: The machine has 64K, someone piggy-backed a fourth set of 16K DRAM's on top of one bank, then ran a rework wire across the top row for the needed strobe signal. There are three expansion boards installed, the high density floppy controller, a 3 port serial board, and what appears to be the hard-sectored floppy controller. There are two connectors for external floppy drives on the back, but I've not yet traced out the cables to see which connectors are for which controller. Would it be possible to use something like the SVD with my hard-sectored controller to build high density bootable HDOS disks? Is there no on-line documentation for HDOS? Can anyone here help me get this machine into a more usable state? -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 20:00:33 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:00:33 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) In-Reply-To: <704e82240610120951r7bc5bd8dp417d1ba56dccb830@mail.gmail.com> References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <000201c6edcd$199b13f0$800101df@franky> <003a01c6ee15$59cd79c0$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240610120951r7bc5bd8dp417d1ba56dccb830@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240610121800r3ba5eea3o32be73222dfae00@mail.gmail.com> On 10/12/06, Mark Garlanger wrote: > > Can anyone here help me get this machine into a more usable state? > > > > > > I'll try to work on my rusted controller some more... actually I think > I made a back-up copy of the three CP/M disks onto one disk which I > can send you... I'll double-check tonight since I may have only copied > it to a 3.5" disk. > > Unfortunately, it looks like I only copied it onto a 3.5" disk since I only have one working 5 1/4" high density drive, and it was being used as the source for the copy. If I get the rusty controller working again, or get the other system, I'll let you know. Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 20:51:46 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:51:46 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Shugart 400L Drive Message-ID: <704e82240610121851y6d066cd5g357e46b3444ee7f1@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know if I should be able to use the Shuart 400L floppy as a replacement for the H-17-1 drives? I'm having some problems with a pair I got off of ebay. I thought I would be able to use them since they appear to have the same specs as the Wangco and Seimens drives with just a different door latch. I had read that they have 40 tracks instead of the 35 that the older 400 model had. When I received the drives they had an additional 2" x 2.5" board (with a CAP, a diode, several resistors, a 74LS86 and a 74LS00) which converted a twenty pin connector into the standard edge connector and power cable. I removed this and was able to properly connect it in my H17 case to my hard-sectored controller. The id was set to 1 (third drive), another drive is the last drive on the cable and has the terminating resistor pack. When I try to boot from them, the light comes on, but I receive a '?Boot error' message. It doesn't make any clicks like my other drives do. The disk is spinning, but I don't hear any head movement. This behavior is the same on both drives. Does anyone know if these drives are not compatible with the heath controller? Or maybe some other setting is off, both drives did come with the ID set to 1, but one drive had a '1' sticker on the front and the other had a '2' sticker? Or maybe I got two bad drives? Thanks, Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Thu Oct 12 21:17:53 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:17:53 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Shugart 400L Drive In-Reply-To: <704e82240610121851y6d066cd5g357e46b3444ee7f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301c6ee6d$caa08040$6600a8c0@barry> The original SA400, as you note, was certified for only 35 tracks. I'm guessing that the "L" model was certified for 40 (even the 35 track model might have actually worked on all 40 tracks). Other than that, the drive was generally similar to the Siemens/Wangco drive (the H17 drive). However, the stepping mechanism in the SA400 was EXTREMELY slow, and I mean ***EXTREMELY***. This could be your problem. Also, the drive may have had more jumper options, and may have required a different set of jumpers for (among other things) hard sector operation. So those are two areas where there might be problems. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Garlanger Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:52 PM To: sebhc Subject: [sebhc] Shugart 400L Drive Does anyone know if I should be able to use the Shuart 400L floppy as a replacement for the H-17-1 drives? I'm having some problems with a pair I got off of ebay. I thought I would be able to use them since they appear to have the same specs as the Wangco and Seimens drives with just a different door latch. I had read that they have 40 tracks instead of the 35 that the older 400 model had. When I received the drives they had an additional 2" x 2.5" board (with a CAP, a diode, several resistors, a 74LS86 and a 74LS00) which converted a twenty pin connector into the standard edge connector and power cable. I removed this and was able to properly connect it in my H17 case to my hard-sectored controller. The id was set to 1 (third drive), another drive is the last drive on the cable and has the terminating resistor pack. When I try to boot from them, the light comes on, but I receive a '?Boot error' message. It doesn't make any clicks like my other drives do. The disk is spinning, but I don't hear any head movement. This behavior is the same on both drives. Does anyone know if these drives are not compatible with the heath controller? Or maybe some other setting is off, both drives did come with the ID set to 1, but one drive had a '1' sticker on the front and the other had a '2' sticker? Or maybe I got two bad drives? Thanks, Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Fri Oct 13 00:56:29 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:56:29 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Shugart 400L Drive In-Reply-To: <000301c6ee6d$caa08040$6600a8c0@barry> References: <704e82240610121851y6d066cd5g357e46b3444ee7f1@mail.gmail.com> <000301c6ee6d$caa08040$6600a8c0@barry> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.10 BSF_SC0_SA045 BODY: Custom Rule SA045 Message-ID: <704e82240610122256g233c8d64ia20c125cdda38522@mail.gmail.com> Sounds like I'm getting a little closer... the jumper block had HL (which according to some web page is the same has HS - Head Select) cut. The Heath documentation says it needs to be jumpered. With that jumpered, it sounds a little better when I attempt to boot. I guess the head is now selected, but it doesn't sound like it's moving track-to-track. The other wierd thing about the two drives is that there are 4 wires from the edge connector to the board. I'm guessing that it was a modification required because of the adapter board that had been connected. The pins connected are 4, 6, 14, and 32. From the documentaion I have, 3 of these lines are spares with only 14 being DS3. I think I may try to cut all 4 of the wires and see if that will help (let me know if you think that's a bad idea - I'll to wait until tomorrow night before I do that). Thanks, Mark On 10/12/06, Barry Watzman wrote: > The original SA400, as you note, was certified for only 35 tracks. I'm > guessing that the "L" model was certified for 40 (even the 35 track model > might have actually worked on all 40 tracks). > > Other than that, the drive was generally similar to the Siemens/Wangco drive > (the H17 drive). However, the stepping mechanism in the SA400 was EXTREMELY > slow, and I mean ***EXTREMELY***. This could be your problem. Also, the > drive may have had more jumper options, and may have required a different > set of jumpers for (among other things) hard sector operation. So those are > two areas where there might be problems. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of > Mark Garlanger > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:52 PM > To: sebhc > Subject: [sebhc] Shugart 400L Drive > > Does anyone know if I should be able to use the Shuart 400L floppy as > a replacement for the H-17-1 drives? I'm having some problems with a > pair I got off of ebay. I thought I would be able to use them since > they appear to have the same specs as the Wangco and Seimens drives > with just a different door latch. I had read that they have 40 tracks > instead of the 35 that the older 400 model had. When I received the > drives they had an additional 2" x 2.5" board (with a CAP, a diode, > several resistors, a 74LS86 and a 74LS00) which converted a twenty pin > connector into the standard edge connector and power cable. I removed > this and was able to properly connect it in my H17 case to my > hard-sectored controller. The id was set to 1 (third drive), another > drive is the last drive on the cable and has the terminating resistor > pack. When I try to boot from them, the light comes on, but I receive > a '?Boot error' message. It doesn't make any clicks like my other > drives do. The disk is spinning, but I don't hear any head movement. > This behavior is the same on both drives. Does anyone know if these > drives are not compatible with the heath controller? Or maybe some > other setting is off, both drives did come with the ID set to 1, but > one drive had a '1' sticker on the front and the other had a '2' > sticker? Or maybe I got two bad drives? > > Thanks, > Mark > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dave06a at dunfield.com Fri Oct 13 05:56:57 2006 From: dave06a at dunfield.com (Dave Dunfield) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 05:56:57 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Shugart 400L Drive In-Reply-To: <000301c6ee6d$caa08040$6600a8c0@barry> References: <704e82240610121851y6d066cd5g357e46b3444ee7f1@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <200610130949.k9D9n1Dl024256@hosting.monisys.ca> > The original SA400, as you note, was certified for only 35 tracks. I'm > guessing that the "L" model was certified for 40 (even the 35 track model > might have actually worked on all 40 tracks). The 400L ia indeed the 40 track version of the SA-400. IIRC the 400 (no L) did not work as a 40 track drive. I can't help with details of the SA-400 <> Heathkit interface, however I do have the full SA-400 OEM Manual up on my site - it's in my Altair section, go to "Documentation" and then "Reference Documents" - this will tell you all about the jumpers and interface requirements. Regards, Dave -- dave06a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/index.html -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From harten at injectstar.de Fri Oct 13 14:59:52 2006 From: harten at injectstar.de (Harten) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:59:52 +0100 Subject: [sebhc] preppart.zip In-Reply-To: <704e82240610120919l2be78521te7cb523740e5b084@mail.gmail.com> References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <704e82240610120919l2be78521te7cb523740e5b084@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0d4053754e.harten@injectstar.de> In message <704e82240610120919l2be78521te7cb523740e5b084 at mail.gmail.com> you wrote: > On 10/12/06, Francisco Rabazas wrote: > > I look for an image of the system CP/M > > > > Can somebody help me? > > > > > > I have a copy of them on soft-sectored disks, but unfortunately after > many attempts, I still don't have a working soft-sectored controller > (Z-37) needed to make copies. Hopefully that will change 'shortly' - I > should be receiving a H/Z89 with a working soft-sectored controller > installed. It's taken almost a year, but it now sounds like that > system is packed and ready for shipping - so hopefully... soon .. it > will be arriving. > Once I get it, I should be able to make a copy for you. > > Mark > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan Lanciani" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:48 AM > > Subject: [sebhc] preppart.zip Hello to all Heath/Zenith users out there! I'm a german homecomputer collector and i have a similar problem. My Z90 has the DD Softsector controller with one 5.25" drive and of course 64k of RAM. Too bad, my set of the CP/M 2.2.0.4 distribution disks is faulty and the Z90 reports only "boot error". I looked on the Bootdisk with "Anadisk" on a DOS machine and indeed there are a couple of errors on the system-tracks. So if there is somebody, who can take a discimage of a softsectored 5.25" disc it would be nice if this image is uploaded to the archive. There are already some images, but they are all of hardsectored discs! An old DOS machine (286/386/486) with an disc-controller capable of reading single-density in conjunction with a 40 track 5.25" drive is a really good tool for backing up old disks. Oh! I forgot the software: Anadisk or ImageDisk are great pieces of software if you would like to produce disk-images (softsectored). Axel. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From wm65805 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 13 13:58:10 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:58:10 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] preppart.zip References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <704e82240610120919l2be78521te7cb523740e5b084@mail.gmail.com> <0d4053754e.harten@injectstar.de> Message-ID: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:59:25 +0000 hi : Thanks for the reply. I will just wait.. I have had my h-89 and H-67 ctrl card since 2004 and have not done much with it, due to working on other projects . bill .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harten" To: Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [sebhc] preppart.zip > In message <704e82240610120919l2be78521te7cb523740e5b084 at mail.gmail.com> you wrote: > > > On 10/12/06, Francisco Rabazas wrote: > > > > I look for an image of the system CP/M > > > > > > Can somebody help me? > > > > > > > > > > I have a copy of them on soft-sectored disks, but unfortunately after > > many attempts, I still don't have a working soft-sectored controller > > (Z-37) needed to make copies. Hopefully that will change 'shortly' - I > > should be receiving a H/Z89 with a working soft-sectored controller > > installed. It's taken almost a year, but it now sounds like that > > system is packed and ready for shipping - so hopefully... soon .. it > > will be arriving. > > Once I get it, I should be able to make a copy for you. > > > > Mark > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dan Lanciani" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:48 AM > > > Subject: [sebhc] preppart.zip > > > Hello to all Heath/Zenith users out there! > > I'm a german homecomputer collector and i have a similar problem. > My Z90 has the DD Softsector controller with one 5.25" drive and > of course 64k of RAM. > > Too bad, my set of the CP/M 2.2.0.4 distribution disks is faulty > and the Z90 reports only "boot error". > > I looked on the Bootdisk with "Anadisk" on a DOS machine and indeed > there are a couple of errors on the system-tracks. > > So if there is somebody, who can take a discimage of a softsectored > 5.25" disc it would be nice if this image is uploaded to the archive. > > There are already some images, but they are all of hardsectored discs! > > An old DOS machine (286/386/486) with an disc-controller capable of > reading single-density in conjunction with a 40 track 5.25" drive > is a really good tool for backing up old disks. > Oh! I forgot the software: Anadisk or ImageDisk are great pieces of > software if you would like to produce disk-images (softsectored). > > Axel. > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Fri Oct 13 12:28:53 2006 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:28:53 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Shugart 400L Drive In-Reply-To: <704e82240610121851y6d066cd5g357e46b3444ee7f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <704e82240610121851y6d066cd5g357e46b3444ee7f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <452FCCD5.4060706@earthlink.net> Mark Garlanger wrote: > Does anyone know if I should be able to use the Shuart 400L floppy as > a replacement for the H-17-1 drives? I'm having some problems with a > pair I got off of ebay. I thought I would be able to use them since > they appear to have the same specs as the Wangco and Seimens drives > with just a different door latch. I had read that they have 40 tracks > instead of the 35 that the older 400 model had. When I received the > drives they had an additional 2" x 2.5" board (with a CAP, a diode, > several resistors, a 74LS86 and a 74LS00) which converted a twenty pin > connector into the standard edge connector and power cable. I removed > this and was able to properly connect it in my H17 case to my > hard-sectored controller. The id was set to 1 (third drive), another > drive is the last drive on the cable and has the terminating resistor > pack. When I try to boot from them, the light comes on, but I receive > a '?Boot error' message. It doesn't make any clicks like my other > drives do. The disk is spinning, but I don't hear any head movement. > This behavior is the same on both drives. Does anyone know if these > drives are not compatible with the heath controller? Or maybe some > other setting is off, both drives did come with the ID set to 1, but > one drive had a '1' sticker on the front and the other had a '2' > sticker? Or maybe I got two bad drives? Do you have the HDOS "H17" diagnostic program? It runs the drive through its paces, and tells you its maximum step rate, etc. Just about any 5.25" drive will work on the H8 and H89; the challenge is to figure out the jumpers, and get them set the way the Heath hardware expects. This means individual drive select lines, head loads on select, and motors all started by the motor control line. -- Ring the bells that still can ring Forget the perfect offering There is a crack in everything That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Fri Oct 13 19:24:39 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:24:39 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Shugart 400L Drive In-Reply-To: <452FCCD5.4060706@earthlink.net> References: <704e82240610121851y6d066cd5g357e46b3444ee7f1@mail.gmail.com> <452FCCD5.4060706@earthlink.net> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240610131724p7d3a20adoc604a3736be857d9@mail.gmail.com> On 10/13/06, Lee Hart wrote: > Mark Garlanger wrote: > > Does anyone know if I should be able to use the Shuart 400L floppy as > > a replacement for the H-17-1 drives? I'm having some problems with a > > pair I got off of ebay. I thought I would be able to use them since > > they appear to have the same specs as the Wangco and Seimens drives > > with just a different door latch. I had read that they have 40 tracks > > instead of the 35 that the older 400 model had. When I received the > > drives they had an additional 2" x 2.5" board (with a CAP, a diode, > > several resistors, a 74LS86 and a 74LS00) which converted a twenty pin > > connector into the standard edge connector and power cable. I removed > > this and was able to properly connect it in my H17 case to my > > hard-sectored controller. The id was set to 1 (third drive), another > > drive is the last drive on the cable and has the terminating resistor > > pack. When I try to boot from them, the light comes on, but I receive > > a '?Boot error' message. It doesn't make any clicks like my other > > drives do. The disk is spinning, but I don't hear any head movement. > > This behavior is the same on both drives. Does anyone know if these > > drives are not compatible with the heath controller? Or maybe some > > other setting is off, both drives did come with the ID set to 1, but > > one drive had a '1' sticker on the front and the other had a '2' > > sticker? Or maybe I got two bad drives? > > Do you have the HDOS "H17" diagnostic program? It runs the drive through > its paces, and tells you its maximum step rate, etc. > Yea, I've used it with other drives but with this one, when I select the drive, the light comes on, stays on for ~45 seconds, then turns off. The test program is hung during this whole time. Hitting ^C caused the drive light to come back on for about the same amount of time, but the computer is still hung. Shift-reset seems to be the only thing you can do. This is the same behavior I noticed yesterday before I cut the wires connected to the spare pins. > Just about any 5.25" drive will work on the H8 and H89; the challenge is > to figure out the jumpers, and get them set the way the Heath hardware > expects. This means individual drive select lines, head loads on select, > and motors all started by the motor control line. There appears to be only one jumper block, the text on the circuit board is: HL 1 2 3 MX 4 MH Based on what I see in the manuals, when putting this drive as #3 on the hard-sectored controller, I should use jumpers HL and 1. All the others should remain open. Now with HL now closed, is does sound like the head is loaded upon select, but it does not sound like the heads are moving at all. The drive select line is set properly and the motor does spin when any drive is on. Maybe the drives are bad. Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dkelvey at hotmail.com Fri Oct 13 23:01:28 2006 From: dkelvey at hotmail.com (dwight elvey) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:01:28 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] Shugart 400L Drive In-Reply-To: <452FCCD5.4060706@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 04:01:28 GMT >From: Lee Hart ---snip--- > >Do you have the HDOS "H17" diagnostic program? It runs the drive through >its paces, and tells you its maximum step rate, etc. > >Just about any 5.25" drive will work on the H8 and H89; the challenge is to >figure out the jumpers, and get them set the way the Heath hardware >expects. This means individual drive select lines, head loads on select, >and motors all started by the motor control line. >-- Hi Like Lee says, just about anything should work. I have a pair of Teak drives in mine. Both the original drive and the SA400 are belt driven. I'd suspect that your main problem is a loose drive belt. These tend to stretch some over the years. Also, both the flywheel and the pulley, on the motor, should have clean surfaces. Some times the belts leave some old rubber or oxide on the surfaces of the flywheel and pulley. Make sure the surfaces feel smooth to your finger as you slide it over the entire surface that the belt travels. Tighten the belt some by loosening the motor screwsand pulling the motor away from the flywheel. It should be to the point that it is hard to get the belt to slip if you turn the flywheel and try to hold the motor pulley. Don't over tighten or you will be looking for a new belt. Also, I recommend maually spinning the disk in the jacket a few turns. the surfaces tend to be sticky when they sit for a long time. Just my thoughts. Dwight -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From ziloo_1 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 16 04:57:16 2006 From: ziloo_1 at yahoo.com (ziloo ...) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sebhc] Generic IDE (GIDE) Message-ID: <20061016095716.37816.qmail@web35708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello folks! Although it was mentioned earlier, I have got a link for a generic IDE interface (GIDE) for Z80-based computers: http://www.iee.et.tu-dresden.de/~kc-club/gide/gide.html As the subject matter is new to me, I appreciate any comments from our fellow Heathkit enthusiasts. Thank you ziloo --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Small Business. -- Joe Smith jtsdadinaz at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bshannon at tiac.net Tue Oct 17 15:46:36 2006 From: bshannon at tiac.net (Bob Shannon) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:46:36 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <000201c6edcd$199b13f0$800101df@franky> <003a01c6ee15$59cd79c0$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240610120951r7bc5bd8dp417d1ba56dccb830@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001b01c6f22d$57ec9390$0100a8c0@screamer> Ok, I'm stumped here! How do I make a bootable system disk under HDOS? I'm able to init and pass media check on a 'blank' floppy. But when I SYSGEN/M, and attempt to boot the resulting diskette, nothing happens. Specifically, I reset, press B for 'boot', the drive light goes on then off again, then nothing happens. No additional text is displayed, no drive access sounds, nothing. When I try SYSGEN *.* I get a read error on the source disk and end up back at the HDOS prompt. The resulting disk does not boot, it acts exactly like the SYSGEN/M attempt. When I simply try SYSGEN, I end up with an error where the system is looking for ONBECOPY.ABS, which does not appear to be on my one and only bootable diskette. Would someone here please tell me exactly how I'm supposed to make a backup boot disk? -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 16:08:54 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:08:54 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) In-Reply-To: <001b01c6f22d$57ec9390$0100a8c0@screamer> References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <000201c6edcd$199b13f0$800101df@franky> <003a01c6ee15$59cd79c0$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240610120951r7bc5bd8dp417d1ba56dccb830@mail.gmail.com> <001b01c6f22d$57ec9390$0100a8c0@screamer> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240610171408m36306adcyf3a1815ce2d6f64c@mail.gmail.com> On 10/17/06, Bob Shannon wrote: > Ok, I'm stumped here! > > How do I make a bootable system disk under HDOS? > > I'm able to init and pass media check on a 'blank' floppy. > > But when I SYSGEN/M, and attempt to boot the resulting > diskette, nothing happens. > At this point try pressing the space bar 3-4 times, it's to determine baud rate, there is set commands to not require it, I'm not sure if SYSGEN/M is some how reseting that option, but it's worth a try. I had seen this with some of the disks I had (HDOS distribution disks). I thought the disks had gone bad - I then attempted to mount them, and they worked fine... then I remember about the space bar and that fixed the problem. Mark > Specifically, I reset, press B for 'boot', the drive light goes on > then off again, then nothing happens. No additional text is > displayed, no drive access sounds, nothing. > > When I try SYSGEN *.* I get a read error on the source > disk and end up back at the HDOS prompt. The resulting > disk does not boot, it acts exactly like the SYSGEN/M > attempt. > > When I simply try SYSGEN, I end up with an error where > the system is looking for ONBECOPY.ABS, which does > not appear to be on my one and only bootable diskette. > > Would someone here please tell me exactly how I'm supposed > to make a backup boot disk? > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From bshannon at tiac.net Wed Oct 18 08:01:14 2006 From: bshannon at tiac.net (Bob Shannon) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:01:14 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <000201c6edcd$199b13f0$800101df@franky> <003a01c6ee15$59cd79c0$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240610120951r7bc5bd8dp417d1ba56dccb830@mail.gmail.com> <001b01c6f22d$57ec9390$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240610171408m36306adcyf3a1815ce2d6f64c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301c6f2b5$7f507720$0100a8c0@screamer> Doh! So it was working all along!? Clearly I have a lot of reading to do. So it appears that once its figured out the baud rate, the O/S patches itself, and does not auto-baud when you re-boot the disk? After pressing the space bar twice, I got the BOOT text and HDOS sign on messages. When I rebooted that same floppy later on (without powering off) it simply booted up automatically. No need to press the space bar. Is this normal? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Garlanger" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) > On 10/17/06, Bob Shannon wrote: >> Ok, I'm stumped here! >> >> How do I make a bootable system disk under HDOS? >> >> I'm able to init and pass media check on a 'blank' floppy. >> >> But when I SYSGEN/M, and attempt to boot the resulting >> diskette, nothing happens. >> > > At this point try pressing the space bar 3-4 times, it's to determine > baud rate, there is set commands to not require it, I'm not sure if > SYSGEN/M is some how reseting that option, but it's worth a try. I had > seen this with some of the disks I had (HDOS distribution disks). I > thought the disks had gone bad - I then attempted to mount them, and > they worked fine... then I remember about the space bar and that fixed > the problem. > Mark > >> Specifically, I reset, press B for 'boot', the drive light goes on >> then off again, then nothing happens. No additional text is >> displayed, no drive access sounds, nothing. >> >> When I try SYSGEN *.* I get a read error on the source >> disk and end up back at the HDOS prompt. The resulting >> disk does not boot, it acts exactly like the SYSGEN/M >> attempt. >> >> When I simply try SYSGEN, I end up with an error where >> the system is looking for ONBECOPY.ABS, which does >> not appear to be on my one and only bootable diskette. >> >> Would someone here please tell me exactly how I'm supposed >> to make a backup boot disk? >> >> -- >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Wed Oct 18 16:51:49 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:51:49 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) In-Reply-To: <000301c6f2b5$7f507720$0100a8c0@screamer> References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <000201c6edcd$199b13f0$800101df@franky> <003a01c6ee15$59cd79c0$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240610120951r7bc5bd8dp417d1ba56dccb830@mail.gmail.com> <001b01c6f22d$57ec9390$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240610171408m36306adcyf3a1815ce2d6f64c@mail.gmail.com> <000301c6f2b5$7f507720$0100a8c0@screamer> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240610181451r6d57b288sa17b333ec83204e4@mail.gmail.com> On 10/18/06, Bob Shannon wrote: > Doh! > > So it was working all along!? > > Clearly I have a lot of reading to do. > Good to hear that was the problem. > So it appears that once its figured out the baud rate, the O/S > patches itself, and does not auto-baud when you re-boot the disk? > > After pressing the space bar twice, I got the BOOT text and > HDOS sign on messages. When I rebooted that same floppy > later on (without powering off) it simply booted up automatically. > > No need to press the space bar. > > Is this normal? > Not sure, almost all the disks I used back in the 80s didn't even require the second 'BOOT' command. The HDOS distribution Disk, I have, is write-protected, it definitely continues to wait for the spaces. Mark > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Garlanger" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:08 PM > Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) > > > > On 10/17/06, Bob Shannon wrote: > >> Ok, I'm stumped here! > >> > >> How do I make a bootable system disk under HDOS? > >> > >> I'm able to init and pass media check on a 'blank' floppy. > >> > >> But when I SYSGEN/M, and attempt to boot the resulting > >> diskette, nothing happens. > >> > > > > At this point try pressing the space bar 3-4 times, it's to determine > > baud rate, there is set commands to not require it, I'm not sure if > > SYSGEN/M is some how reseting that option, but it's worth a try. I had > > seen this with some of the disks I had (HDOS distribution disks). I > > thought the disks had gone bad - I then attempted to mount them, and > > they worked fine... then I remember about the space bar and that fixed > > the problem. > > Mark > > > >> Specifically, I reset, press B for 'boot', the drive light goes on > >> then off again, then nothing happens. No additional text is > >> displayed, no drive access sounds, nothing. > >> > >> When I try SYSGEN *.* I get a read error on the source > >> disk and end up back at the HDOS prompt. The resulting > >> disk does not boot, it acts exactly like the SYSGEN/M > >> attempt. > >> > >> When I simply try SYSGEN, I end up with an error where > >> the system is looking for ONBECOPY.ABS, which does > >> not appear to be on my one and only bootable diskette. > >> > >> Would someone here please tell me exactly how I'm supposed > >> to make a backup boot disk? > >> > >> -- > >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > >> > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From gfroberts at adelphia.net Wed Oct 18 20:47:39 2006 From: gfroberts at adelphia.net (Glenn Roberts) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:47:39 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) In-Reply-To: <000301c6f2b5$7f507720$0100a8c0@screamer> References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <000201c6edcd$199b13f0$800101df@franky> <003a01c6ee15$59cd79c0$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240610120951r7bc5bd8dp417d1ba56dccb830@mail.gmail.com> <001b01c6f22d$57ec9390$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240610171408m36306adcyf3a1815ce2d6f64c@mail.gmail.com> <000301c6f2b5$7f507720$0100a8c0@screamer> Message-ID: <4536D93B.8020202@adelphia.net> yep it's normal. if you enjoy reading source code check out http://www.sebhc.org/archive/documents/software/HDOS-2/HOS-1-SL_595-2466-01/INIT.PDF the ABR routine (Auto Baud Rate Selection, line 1938) cycles the UART through various BAUD rates and waits for a reading that doesn't cause an error, then sets that as the default BAUD rate. 25 years ago I could have pointed you to the code that writes this back to the boot track (so that on subsequent boots you don't have to hit space) but now I'll have to leave that as an exercise to the reader! (it's in there somewhere). If you were fortunate enough to have an H8 you probably avoided this trap ... the code spells out "SPACE" on the LEDs as a hint to hit the space bar! The manuals are also in the SEBHC archive. the Bootstrap procedure is described at: http://www.sebhc.org/archive/documents/software/HDOS-2/software_ref_manual/HDOS_vol_1_ch_1.pdf starting at page 1-13. - Glenn Bob Shannon wrote: > Doh! > > So it was working all along!? > > Clearly I have a lot of reading to do. > > So it appears that once its figured out the baud rate, the O/S > patches itself, and does not auto-baud when you re-boot the disk? > > After pressing the space bar twice, I got the BOOT text and > HDOS sign on messages. When I rebooted that same floppy > later on (without powering off) it simply booted up automatically. > > No need to press the space bar. > Is this normal? > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Garlanger" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:08 PM > Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) > > >> On 10/17/06, Bob Shannon wrote: >>> Ok, I'm stumped here! >>> >>> How do I make a bootable system disk under HDOS? >>> >>> I'm able to init and pass media check on a 'blank' floppy. >>> >>> But when I SYSGEN/M, and attempt to boot the resulting >>> diskette, nothing happens. >>> >> >> At this point try pressing the space bar 3-4 times, it's to determine >> baud rate, there is set commands to not require it, I'm not sure if >> SYSGEN/M is some how reseting that option, but it's worth a try. I had >> seen this with some of the disks I had (HDOS distribution disks). I >> thought the disks had gone bad - I then attempted to mount them, and >> they worked fine... then I remember about the space bar and that fixed >> the problem. >> Mark >> >>> Specifically, I reset, press B for 'boot', the drive light goes on >>> then off again, then nothing happens. No additional text is >>> displayed, no drive access sounds, nothing. >>> >>> When I try SYSGEN *.* I get a read error on the source >>> disk and end up back at the HDOS prompt. The resulting >>> disk does not boot, it acts exactly like the SYSGEN/M >>> attempt. >>> >>> When I simply try SYSGEN, I end up with an error where >>> the system is looking for ONBECOPY.ABS, which does >>> not appear to be on my one and only bootable diskette. >>> >>> Would someone here please tell me exactly how I'm supposed >>> to make a backup boot disk? >>> >>> -- >>> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >>> >> -- >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From huskycan at terra.es Thu Oct 19 00:08:54 2006 From: huskycan at terra.es (Francisco Rabazas) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:08:54 +0200 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <000201c6edcd$199b13f0$800101df@franky> <003a01c6ee15$59cd79c0$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240610120951r7bc5bd8dp417d1ba56dccb830@mail.gmail.com> <001b01c6f22d$57ec9390$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240610171408m36306adcyf3a1815ce2d6f64c@mail.gmail.com> <000301c6f2b5$7f507720$0100a8c0@screamer> <4536D93B.8020202@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <001a01c6f33c$ad01ee10$800101df@franky> When I try to download the documents requests me user and password Which the user is? Which the password is? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Roberts" To: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) > yep it's normal. if you enjoy reading source code check out > > http://www.sebhc.org/archive/documents/software/HDOS-2/HOS-1-SL_595-2466-01/INIT.PDF > > the ABR routine (Auto Baud Rate Selection, line 1938) cycles the UART > through various BAUD rates and waits for a reading that doesn't cause an > error, then sets that as the default BAUD rate. 25 years ago I could have > pointed you to the code that writes this back to the boot track (so that > on subsequent boots you don't have to hit space) but now I'll have to > leave that as an exercise to the reader! (it's in there somewhere). > > If you were fortunate enough to have an H8 you probably avoided this trap > ... the code spells out "SPACE" on the LEDs as a hint to hit the space > bar! > > The manuals are also in the SEBHC archive. the Bootstrap procedure is > described at: > > http://www.sebhc.org/archive/documents/software/HDOS-2/software_ref_manual/HDOS_vol_1_ch_1.pdf > > starting at page 1-13. > > - Glenn > > > > Bob Shannon wrote: >> Doh! >> >> So it was working all along!? >> >> Clearly I have a lot of reading to do. >> >> So it appears that once its figured out the baud rate, the O/S >> patches itself, and does not auto-baud when you re-boot the disk? >> >> After pressing the space bar twice, I got the BOOT text and >> HDOS sign on messages. When I rebooted that same floppy >> later on (without powering off) it simply booted up automatically. >> >> No need to press the space bar. Is this normal? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Garlanger" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) >> >> >>> On 10/17/06, Bob Shannon wrote: >>>> Ok, I'm stumped here! >>>> >>>> How do I make a bootable system disk under HDOS? >>>> >>>> I'm able to init and pass media check on a 'blank' floppy. >>>> >>>> But when I SYSGEN/M, and attempt to boot the resulting >>>> diskette, nothing happens. >>>> >>> >>> At this point try pressing the space bar 3-4 times, it's to determine >>> baud rate, there is set commands to not require it, I'm not sure if >>> SYSGEN/M is some how reseting that option, but it's worth a try. I had >>> seen this with some of the disks I had (HDOS distribution disks). I >>> thought the disks had gone bad - I then attempted to mount them, and >>> they worked fine... then I remember about the space bar and that fixed >>> the problem. >>> Mark >>> >>>> Specifically, I reset, press B for 'boot', the drive light goes on >>>> then off again, then nothing happens. No additional text is >>>> displayed, no drive access sounds, nothing. >>>> >>>> When I try SYSGEN *.* I get a read error on the source >>>> disk and end up back at the HDOS prompt. The resulting >>>> disk does not boot, it acts exactly like the SYSGEN/M >>>> attempt. >>>> >>>> When I simply try SYSGEN, I end up with an error where >>>> the system is looking for ONBECOPY.ABS, which does >>>> not appear to be on my one and only bootable diskette. >>>> >>>> Would someone here please tell me exactly how I'm supposed >>>> to make a backup boot disk? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >>>> >>> -- >>> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >>> >> >> -- >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> >> > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Thu Oct 19 00:33:28 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:33:28 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Fw: Z89 emulator In-Reply-To: <000d01c6da23$fca1a3c0$6501a8c0@toshibauser> References: <000d01c6da23$fca1a3c0$6501a8c0@toshibauser> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240610182233ued45e7dt3230accb2521d7bf@mail.gmail.com> I'm not aware of one, and based on the lack of responses to your original message, I'm guessing that there isn't. There are a couple of H8 emulators. An H8 (w/ Z80) & H19 & H17 is basically the same as the H89. I haven't messed with them in a while and I'm not sure if any of the current emulators can do both Z80 and 8080 or just the original 8080 cpu. You should be able to find them in the archives. Mark On 9/17/06, tg wrote: > > > Is there a Z89 emulator for the PC? -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Thu Oct 19 00:40:18 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:40:18 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) In-Reply-To: <001a01c6f33c$ad01ee10$800101df@franky> References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <000201c6edcd$199b13f0$800101df@franky> <003a01c6ee15$59cd79c0$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240610120951r7bc5bd8dp417d1ba56dccb830@mail.gmail.com> <001b01c6f22d$57ec9390$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240610171408m36306adcyf3a1815ce2d6f64c@mail.gmail.com> <000301c6f2b5$7f507720$0100a8c0@screamer> <4536D93B.8020202@adelphia.net> <001a01c6f33c$ad01ee10$800101df@franky> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240610182240p30df5f64n453b2c648fc57f22@mail.gmail.com> It should be listed in your welcome to the list email. I don't remember it off the top of my head, but If you can't find it I can check on my other system where I have it saved in a script. Mark On 10/19/06, Francisco Rabazas wrote: > When I try to download the documents requests me user and password > Which the user is? > Which the password is? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Roberts" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:47 AM > Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) > > > > yep it's normal. if you enjoy reading source code check out > > > > http://www.sebhc.org/archive/documents/software/HDOS-2/HOS-1-SL_595-2466-01/INIT.PDF > > > > the ABR routine (Auto Baud Rate Selection, line 1938) cycles the UART > > through various BAUD rates and waits for a reading that doesn't cause an > > error, then sets that as the default BAUD rate. 25 years ago I could have > > pointed you to the code that writes this back to the boot track (so that > > on subsequent boots you don't have to hit space) but now I'll have to > > leave that as an exercise to the reader! (it's in there somewhere). > > > > If you were fortunate enough to have an H8 you probably avoided this trap > > ... the code spells out "SPACE" on the LEDs as a hint to hit the space > > bar! > > > > The manuals are also in the SEBHC archive. the Bootstrap procedure is > > described at: > > > > http://www.sebhc.org/archive/documents/software/HDOS-2/software_ref_manual/HDOS_vol_1_ch_1.pdf > > > > starting at page 1-13. > > > > - Glenn > > > > > > > > Bob Shannon wrote: > >> Doh! > >> > >> So it was working all along!? > >> > >> Clearly I have a lot of reading to do. > >> > >> So it appears that once its figured out the baud rate, the O/S > >> patches itself, and does not auto-baud when you re-boot the disk? > >> > >> After pressing the space bar twice, I got the BOOT text and > >> HDOS sign on messages. When I rebooted that same floppy > >> later on (without powering off) it simply booted up automatically. > >> > >> No need to press the space bar. Is this normal? > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Garlanger" > >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:08 PM > >> Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) > >> > >> > >>> On 10/17/06, Bob Shannon wrote: > >>>> Ok, I'm stumped here! > >>>> > >>>> How do I make a bootable system disk under HDOS? > >>>> > >>>> I'm able to init and pass media check on a 'blank' floppy. > >>>> > >>>> But when I SYSGEN/M, and attempt to boot the resulting > >>>> diskette, nothing happens. > >>>> > >>> > >>> At this point try pressing the space bar 3-4 times, it's to determine > >>> baud rate, there is set commands to not require it, I'm not sure if > >>> SYSGEN/M is some how reseting that option, but it's worth a try. I had > >>> seen this with some of the disks I had (HDOS distribution disks). I > >>> thought the disks had gone bad - I then attempted to mount them, and > >>> they worked fine... then I remember about the space bar and that fixed > >>> the problem. > >>> Mark > >>> > >>>> Specifically, I reset, press B for 'boot', the drive light goes on > >>>> then off again, then nothing happens. No additional text is > >>>> displayed, no drive access sounds, nothing. > >>>> > >>>> When I try SYSGEN *.* I get a read error on the source > >>>> disk and end up back at the HDOS prompt. The resulting > >>>> disk does not boot, it acts exactly like the SYSGEN/M > >>>> attempt. > >>>> > >>>> When I simply try SYSGEN, I end up with an error where > >>>> the system is looking for ONBECOPY.ABS, which does > >>>> not appear to be on my one and only bootable diskette. > >>>> > >>>> Would someone here please tell me exactly how I'm supposed > >>>> to make a backup boot disk? > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > >>>> > >>> -- > >>> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From gfroberts at adelphia.net Thu Oct 19 17:03:26 2006 From: gfroberts at adelphia.net (Glenn Roberts) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:03:26 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) In-Reply-To: <001a01c6f33c$ad01ee10$800101df@franky> References: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> <000201c6edcd$199b13f0$800101df@franky> <003a01c6ee15$59cd79c0$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240610120951r7bc5bd8dp417d1ba56dccb830@mail.gmail.com> <001b01c6f22d$57ec9390$0100a8c0@screamer> <704e82240610171408m36306adcyf3a1815ce2d6f64c@mail.gmail.com> <000301c6f2b5$7f507720$0100a8c0@screamer> <4536D93B.8020202@adelphia.net> <001a01c6f33c$ad01ee10$800101df@franky> Message-ID: <4537F62E.5060107@adelphia.net> heathkit/hdos8bit Francisco Rabazas wrote: > When I try to download the documents requests me user and password > Which the user is? > Which the password is? > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Roberts" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:47 AM > Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) > > >> yep it's normal. if you enjoy reading source code check out >> >> http://www.sebhc.org/archive/documents/software/HDOS-2/HOS-1-SL_595-2466-01/INIT.PDF >> >> >> the ABR routine (Auto Baud Rate Selection, line 1938) cycles the UART >> through various BAUD rates and waits for a reading that doesn't cause >> an error, then sets that as the default BAUD rate. 25 years ago I >> could have pointed you to the code that writes this back to the boot >> track (so that on subsequent boots you don't have to hit space) but >> now I'll have to leave that as an exercise to the reader! (it's in >> there somewhere). >> >> If you were fortunate enough to have an H8 you probably avoided this >> trap ... the code spells out "SPACE" on the LEDs as a hint to hit the >> space bar! >> >> The manuals are also in the SEBHC archive. the Bootstrap procedure is >> described at: >> >> http://www.sebhc.org/archive/documents/software/HDOS-2/software_ref_manual/HDOS_vol_1_ch_1.pdf >> >> >> starting at page 1-13. >> >> - Glenn >> >> >> >> Bob Shannon wrote: >>> Doh! >>> >>> So it was working all along!? >>> >>> Clearly I have a lot of reading to do. >>> >>> So it appears that once its figured out the baud rate, the O/S >>> patches itself, and does not auto-baud when you re-boot the disk? >>> >>> After pressing the space bar twice, I got the BOOT text and >>> HDOS sign on messages. When I rebooted that same floppy >>> later on (without powering off) it simply booted up automatically. >>> >>> No need to press the space bar. Is this normal? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Garlanger" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: [sebhc] HDOS sysgen questions (and problems) >>> >>> >>>> On 10/17/06, Bob Shannon wrote: >>>>> Ok, I'm stumped here! >>>>> >>>>> How do I make a bootable system disk under HDOS? >>>>> >>>>> I'm able to init and pass media check on a 'blank' floppy. >>>>> >>>>> But when I SYSGEN/M, and attempt to boot the resulting >>>>> diskette, nothing happens. >>>>> >>>> >>>> At this point try pressing the space bar 3-4 times, it's to determine >>>> baud rate, there is set commands to not require it, I'm not sure if >>>> SYSGEN/M is some how reseting that option, but it's worth a try. I had >>>> seen this with some of the disks I had (HDOS distribution disks). I >>>> thought the disks had gone bad - I then attempted to mount them, and >>>> they worked fine... then I remember about the space bar and that fixed >>>> the problem. >>>> Mark >>>> >>>>> Specifically, I reset, press B for 'boot', the drive light goes on >>>>> then off again, then nothing happens. No additional text is >>>>> displayed, no drive access sounds, nothing. >>>>> >>>>> When I try SYSGEN *.* I get a read error on the source >>>>> disk and end up back at the HDOS prompt. The resulting >>>>> disk does not boot, it acts exactly like the SYSGEN/M >>>>> attempt. >>>>> >>>>> When I simply try SYSGEN, I end up with an error where >>>>> the system is looking for ONBECOPY.ABS, which does >>>>> not appear to be on my one and only bootable diskette. >>>>> >>>>> Would someone here please tell me exactly how I'm supposed >>>>> to make a backup boot disk? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sp11 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 21 10:38:31 2006 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:38:31 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] preppart.zip In-Reply-To: <200610120348.XAA20486@ss10.danlan.com> Message-ID: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:38:31 GMT Dan wrote: >I have uploaded preppart.zip (containing PREP.ABS and PART.ABS). These have been unpacked into software/HDOS in the archive. --Steven _________________________________________________________________ Use your PC to make calls at very low rates https://voiceoam.pcs.v2s.live.com/partnerredirect.aspx -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From wm65805 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 27 09:58:02 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:58:02 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] preppart.zip References: Message-ID: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:59:49 +0000 Thanks -- I will try this out soon. bill .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Parker" To: Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:38 AM Subject: RE: [sebhc] preppart.zip > Dan wrote: > >I have uploaded preppart.zip (containing PREP.ABS and PART.ABS). > > These have been unpacked into software/HDOS in the archive. > > --Steven > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use your PC to make calls at very low rates > https://voiceoam.pcs.v2s.live.com/partnerredirect.aspx > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From ziloo_1 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 31 08:22:39 2006 From: ziloo_1 at yahoo.com (ziloo ...) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:22:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sebhc] Semi-Virtual Floppy Drive Message-ID: <20061031142239.60053.qmail@web35702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello folks! This is a link from a vintage-computer enthusiast who has designed a replacement for floppy drive: http://www.thesvd.com/SVD/ Whether or not this information is old news to you, any comment is highly appreciated! ziloo --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kguenther6 at insightbb.com Tue Oct 31 08:37:57 2006 From: kguenther6 at insightbb.com (Ken Guenther) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:37:57 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Semi-Virtual Floppy Drive References: <20061031142239.60053.qmail@web35702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004301c6fcfa$2bf07400$c801a8c0@IBMHJDSZOJRB12> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 2668 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bill at armchairarcade.com Tue Oct 31 09:23:06 2006 From: bill at armchairarcade.com (Bill Loguidice) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:23:06 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Semi-Virtual Floppy Drive In-Reply-To: <004301c6fcfa$2bf07400$c801a8c0@IBMHJDSZOJRB12> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <003301c6fd00$7a3440f0$32b4400a@EAST.VIS.COM> I have one too. The great thing about it obviously for collectors of multiple systems is that it works with a fairly wide range of computers, not just from Heathkit. ====================================== Bill Loguidice, Managing Director Armchair Arcade, Inc. (A PC Magazine Top 100 Website) ====================================== http://www.armchairarcade.com _____ From: Ken Guenther [mailto:kguenther6 at insightbb.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:38 AM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] Semi-Virtual Floppy Drive I have and SVD and use it for the H8. It works great! Its very easy to hook up and start using. I can boot my H8 with it, load programs from my PC. Backup all my programs to the PC. I highly recommend it. Ken Guenther Old programmers never die... They just GOTO. >Hello folks! >This is a link from a vintage-computer enthusiast who has designed a >replacement for floppy drive: >http://www.thesvd.com/SVD/ >Whether or not this information is old news to you, any comment is highly appreciated! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garlanger at gmail.com Tue Oct 31 09:54:34 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:54:34 -0600 Subject: [sebhc] Semi-Virtual Floppy Drive In-Reply-To: <20061031142239.60053.qmail@web35702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061031142239.60053.qmail@web35702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240610310754g6aea1985j1e4512a535b5d3f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ziloo, I don't have one, but will probably get one once he resumes shipments of the new ones. From his site, this is the last update he's posted: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- August 28, 2006 BAD NEWS! Unfortunately, I'm suspending shipments of the SVD...but just for now. It's great to have all of the interest in the SVD, for sure. However, it's been very difficult keeping up with the orders. As you may know, I build these things myself...as opposed to having them manufactured. So, I am suspending shipments for any new orders. For those of you who already have orders in, I'll be getting shipments out very soon. You'll be individually contacted. HOWEVER, feel free to put in orders if you'd like to get on the list for when I resume shipments! Also, it will help me keep you posted with the status of the SVD. So, what will I do with all of the "extra" time I have? Work on the SVD II (actually SVD 1.5) is in full swing. Watch this space for more detail. Eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark On 10/31/06, ziloo ... wrote: > Hello folks! > > This is a link from a vintage-computer enthusiast who has designed a > replacement for floppy drive: > > http://www.thesvd.com/SVD/ > > Whether or not this information is old news to you, any comment is highly > appreciated! > > ziloo > > ________________________________ > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. > > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From billwilkinson at mindspring.com Tue Oct 31 11:35:24 2006 From: billwilkinson at mindspring.com (William Wilkinson) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:35:24 -0600 Subject: [sebhc] Semi-Virtual Floppy Drive Message-ID: <380-2200610231173524390@mindspring.com> Heh. Maybe he should consider sending out the parts with some solder and assembly instructions. There might be a market in that concept. --Bill > [Original Message] > From: Mark Garlanger > To: > Date: 10/31/2006 10:07:23 AM > Subject: Re: [sebhc] Semi-Virtual Floppy Drive > > Hi Ziloo, > > I don't have one, but will probably get one once he resumes > shipments of the new ones. From his site, this is the last update he's > posted: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > August 28, 2006 > > BAD NEWS! > > Unfortunately, I'm suspending shipments of the SVD...but just for now. > It's great to have all of the interest in the SVD, for sure. However, > it's been very difficult keeping up with the orders. As you may know, > I build these things myself...as opposed to having them manufactured. > > So, I am suspending shipments for any new orders. For those of you who > already have orders in, I'll be getting shipments out very soon. > You'll be individually contacted. > > HOWEVER, feel free to put in orders if you'd like to get on the list > for when I resume shipments! Also, it will help me keep you posted > with the status of the SVD. > > So, what will I do with all of the "extra" time I have? Work on the > SVD II (actually SVD 1.5) is in full swing. Watch this space for more > detail. > > Eric > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- > > > Mark > > > > On 10/31/06, ziloo ... wrote: > > Hello folks! > > > > This is a link from a vintage-computer enthusiast who has designed a > > replacement for floppy drive: > > > > http://www.thesvd.com/SVD/ > > > > Whether or not this information is old news to you, any comment is highly > > appreciated! > > > > ziloo -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List