From garlanger at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 00:54:57 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 00:54:57 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] 13 New HUG disk images. Message-ID: <704e82240608312254m51172dbfx886fdbe82df80bc@mail.gmail.com> I tried to upload these 13 HUG Disk images, but both the command-line ftp and a graphical ftp client had issues transfering after transfering the first file. After a couple of failed attempts, I zipped up all the images and successfully uploaded them as one zip file: HUG_13Disks.zip The disks images in that file are: 885-1032_DiskV_H8_Misc_Software.h8d 885-1044_DiskIV_H8 Software_Miscellaneous_Software.h8d 885-1052_Morsecod_H8_Disk.h8d 885-1075a_HDOS_Support_Package_Misc_Software.h8d 885-1075b_HDOS_Support_Package_Misc_Software.h8d 885-1115_NAVprog7_HDOS_MBASIC_Aircraft_Nav_Aid.h8d 885-1210_CPM_HUG_Editor.h8d 885-1211_Seabattle_In_CPM.h8d 885-1212_Utilities_Disk_CPM.h8d 885-1228_CPM_Fast_Action_Games.h8d 885-1229_CPM_XMET_Robot_And_ET3400_Crossassembler.h8d 885-1230_Keymap_CPM.h8d 885-8012_Maple_CPM.h8d During the actual disk transfer process, only one of the 13 disks had read errors, 885-1032, it had read errors on the last two track (38 & 39). I tried it out, and although it is supposed to be bootable, it would not complete the boot, but it appeared to be fine when mounted after booting with another disk. Looking at the list, it appears that I missed an 'e' in the description of 885-1052. Let me know if you have any problems with any of these images. Also, if anyone has any issues with any of the existing HUG images, let me know, since I have original disks for quite a few of those images, too. I have only two more HUG disks that are not already in the library: 885-1237-37 CP/M Utilities 885-1249-37 CP/M MAGBASE But as you can see from the part number these are soft-sectored disks, and I'm still without a working soft-sectored controller :-( I still need to take an inventory of my other non-HUG disks to see if any of those are not available in the library. Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From wm65805 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 1 12:33:11 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:33:11 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. -- YES !! References: <704e82240608301238n60ebc5cej8d57733579d60a37@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240608311832l13dd9bddwde8295f8769ec16a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:38:29 +0000 I plan go and pick the item up -- IF I win. Yes I accept your offer. bill .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Garlanger" To: Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. -- YES !! > It's already well past the other Bill's top bid of $150, are you local > to avoid the huge shipping cost? Hopefully you are willing to spend > closer to what is required to win one of these auctions. I'll make > the same offer to you (or anyone else on the list) as I made to the > other Bill, in your case, since you are willing to let me have the > originals, I'm willing to commit to $75 toward the price of the item > if you win the auction. If someone else in the group wins and wants to > keep the originals, I'll still provide you with $40 if you get the > disk images into the library. (Have I mentioned that I really want to > get this software ;-) ) > > Thanks, > Mark > > > On 8/31/06, bill malcolm wrote: > > I will share any Game(s) If I win the bid -- in fact you can have them. > > bill .. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Garlanger" > > To: "sebhc" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 2:38 PM > > Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. > > > > > > > Is there anyone on the list looking to get an H8 system? There is one > > > on ebay that looks quite interesting - H8/H17/H19 - he has tested it > > > out AND it comes with some software that the library does not have. > > > Specifically: Pascal, and "Numerous games" which he clarified to > > > include: > > > "The games I have are Exterminator, Munchkin, Gravitron, Y-wing II, > > > Galactic Warrior, Invaders, Warrior and the classic Adventure." > > > > > > Gravitron is one of the games (along with Gravitron 2), that I have > > > been dieing to get a hold of. > > > Y-Wing 2 would be nice since I have (a working copy of) the first one. > > > Some of the other names look familiar, although I already have a > > > 'working' copy of Munchkin, and the original disks for Adventure. > > > > > > The thing is, I have no interested in getting any of the H8 (H17/H19) > > > hardware (keeping a H89 up and working is enough for me). And the > > > shipping quote was really high (>$150 since he would just take it to a > > > 'mailbox etc'-type place). But if some was close enough to Waterford, > > > MI (looks like it's just NW of Detriot), the shipping fee could be > > > save by picking it up (you would still need to be confirmed that with > > > the seller, but based on his choice of using 'mailboxes etc' it seems > > > he would be open to letting someone come and pick it up). > > > > > > If anyone is interested in the auction, let me know, I'd be willing to > > > pony-up some money for the software (more if I get to keep the actual > > > disks but still some for just getting the software into the library). > > > > > > With 4 days still left in the auction, I know I won't be able to > > > justify spending all that money (especially for shipping equipment I > > > don't want) to just get a few programs, but I'm willing to help, in > > > order to get the software into the library. > > > > > > Here is the ebay auction, let me know if you're planning to bid on it, > > > and we can work out the details. Adding the extra money that I'm > > > willing to spend to your bid, should help your chances on winning the > > > auction. > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Heathkit-H8-Computer-with-H17-Disk-and-H19-Monitor_W0QQitemZ130021428178QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Mark > > > -- > > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > > > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From wm65805 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 1 12:47:57 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:47:57 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: I still need soft sector controller for h-89 ? References: <704e82240608312254m51172dbfx886fdbe82df80bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:53:15 +0000 Still looking and hoping... bill .. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From wm65805 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 1 13:00:06 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:00:06 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] 13 New HUG disk images. References: <704e82240608312254m51172dbfx886fdbe82df80bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:05:23 +0000 I tried to find this file -- where on the site is it. thanks. bill .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Garlanger" To: "sebhc" Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:54 AM Subject: [sebhc] 13 New HUG disk images. > I tried to upload these 13 HUG Disk images, but both the command-line > ftp and a graphical ftp client had issues transfering after > transfering the first file. > > After a couple of failed attempts, I zipped up all the images and > successfully uploaded them as one zip file: > > HUG_13Disks.zip > > The disks images in that file are: > > 885-1032_DiskV_H8_Misc_Software.h8d > 885-1044_DiskIV_H8 Software_Miscellaneous_Software.h8d > 885-1052_Morsecod_H8_Disk.h8d > 885-1075a_HDOS_Support_Package_Misc_Software.h8d > 885-1075b_HDOS_Support_Package_Misc_Software.h8d > 885-1115_NAVprog7_HDOS_MBASIC_Aircraft_Nav_Aid.h8d > 885-1210_CPM_HUG_Editor.h8d > 885-1211_Seabattle_In_CPM.h8d > 885-1212_Utilities_Disk_CPM.h8d > 885-1228_CPM_Fast_Action_Games.h8d > 885-1229_CPM_XMET_Robot_And_ET3400_Crossassembler.h8d > 885-1230_Keymap_CPM.h8d > 885-8012_Maple_CPM.h8d > > During the actual disk transfer process, only one of the 13 disks had > read errors, 885-1032, it had read errors on the last two track (38 & > 39). I tried it out, and although it is supposed to be bootable, it > would not complete the boot, but it appeared to be fine when mounted > after booting with another disk. > > Looking at the list, it appears that I missed an 'e' in the > description of 885-1052. > > Let me know if you have any problems with any of these images. Also, > if anyone has any issues with any of the existing HUG images, let me > know, since I have original disks for quite a few of those images, > too. > > I have only two more HUG disks that are not already in the library: > 885-1237-37 CP/M Utilities > 885-1249-37 CP/M MAGBASE > > But as you can see from the part number these are soft-sectored disks, > and I'm still without a working soft-sectored controller :-( > > I still need to take an inventory of my other non-HUG disks to see if > any of those are not available in the library. > > Mark > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 13:10:05 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:10:05 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: I still need soft sector controller for h-89 ? In-Reply-To: References: <704e82240608312254m51172dbfx886fdbe82df80bc@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.28 MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR URI: Includes a link to a likely spammer email Message-ID: <704e82240609011110w549a2bf8wabcc12e472450cb7@mail.gmail.com> Makes (at least) two of us.... ;-) Mark On 9/1/06, bill malcolm wrote: > Still looking and hoping... > bill .. > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 13:34:36 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:34:36 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] 13 New HUG disk images. In-Reply-To: <704e82240609011131r6fa420f2g9c713678223ef1bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <704e82240608312254m51172dbfx886fdbe82df80bc@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240609011131r6fa420f2g9c713678223ef1bf@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.28 MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR URI: Includes a link to a likely spammer email Message-ID: <704e82240609011134r962c758ne3a09c9309562e85@mail.gmail.com> Actually, once I get home from work, I can mail you the zip file directly, if it's not available yet, I think it was only 400-500k zipped. Mark On 9/1/06, Mark Garlanger wrote: > I put the file in the 'uploads' directory, one of the admins will need > unzip it and put the files into the proper directory before you will > be able to download them. Due to abuse concerns, downloads from the > 'uploads' directory had been disabled. > > Mark > > On 9/1/06, bill malcolm wrote: > > I tried to find this file -- where on the site is it. > > thanks. > > bill .. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Garlanger" > > To: "sebhc" > > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:54 AM > > Subject: [sebhc] 13 New HUG disk images. > > > > > > > I tried to upload these 13 HUG Disk images, but both the command-line > > > ftp and a graphical ftp client had issues transfering after > > > transfering the first file. > > > > > > After a couple of failed attempts, I zipped up all the images and > > > successfully uploaded them as one zip file: > > > > > > HUG_13Disks.zip > > > > > > The disks images in that file are: > > > > > > 885-1032_DiskV_H8_Misc_Software.h8d > > > 885-1044_DiskIV_H8 Software_Miscellaneous_Software.h8d > > > 885-1052_Morsecod_H8_Disk.h8d > > > 885-1075a_HDOS_Support_Package_Misc_Software.h8d > > > 885-1075b_HDOS_Support_Package_Misc_Software.h8d > > > 885-1115_NAVprog7_HDOS_MBASIC_Aircraft_Nav_Aid.h8d > > > 885-1210_CPM_HUG_Editor.h8d > > > 885-1211_Seabattle_In_CPM.h8d > > > 885-1212_Utilities_Disk_CPM.h8d > > > 885-1228_CPM_Fast_Action_Games.h8d > > > 885-1229_CPM_XMET_Robot_And_ET3400_Crossassembler.h8d > > > 885-1230_Keymap_CPM.h8d > > > 885-8012_Maple_CPM.h8d > > > > > > During the actual disk transfer process, only one of the 13 disks had > > > read errors, 885-1032, it had read errors on the last two track (38 & > > > 39). I tried it out, and although it is supposed to be bootable, it > > > would not complete the boot, but it appeared to be fine when mounted > > > after booting with another disk. > > > > > > Looking at the list, it appears that I missed an 'e' in the > > > description of 885-1052. > > > > > > Let me know if you have any problems with any of these images. Also, > > > if anyone has any issues with any of the existing HUG images, let me > > > know, since I have original disks for quite a few of those images, > > > too. > > > > > > I have only two more HUG disks that are not already in the library: > > > 885-1237-37 CP/M Utilities > > > 885-1249-37 CP/M MAGBASE > > > > > > But as you can see from the part number these are soft-sectored disks, > > > and I'm still without a working soft-sectored controller :-( > > > > > > I still need to take an inventory of my other non-HUG disks to see if > > > any of those are not available in the library. > > > > > > Mark > > > -- > > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 13:31:19 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:31:19 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] 13 New HUG disk images. In-Reply-To: References: <704e82240608312254m51172dbfx886fdbe82df80bc@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.28 MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR URI: Includes a link to a likely spammer email Message-ID: <704e82240609011131r6fa420f2g9c713678223ef1bf@mail.gmail.com> I put the file in the 'uploads' directory, one of the admins will need unzip it and put the files into the proper directory before you will be able to download them. Due to abuse concerns, downloads from the 'uploads' directory had been disabled. Mark On 9/1/06, bill malcolm wrote: > I tried to find this file -- where on the site is it. > thanks. > bill .. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Garlanger" > To: "sebhc" > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:54 AM > Subject: [sebhc] 13 New HUG disk images. > > > > I tried to upload these 13 HUG Disk images, but both the command-line > > ftp and a graphical ftp client had issues transfering after > > transfering the first file. > > > > After a couple of failed attempts, I zipped up all the images and > > successfully uploaded them as one zip file: > > > > HUG_13Disks.zip > > > > The disks images in that file are: > > > > 885-1032_DiskV_H8_Misc_Software.h8d > > 885-1044_DiskIV_H8 Software_Miscellaneous_Software.h8d > > 885-1052_Morsecod_H8_Disk.h8d > > 885-1075a_HDOS_Support_Package_Misc_Software.h8d > > 885-1075b_HDOS_Support_Package_Misc_Software.h8d > > 885-1115_NAVprog7_HDOS_MBASIC_Aircraft_Nav_Aid.h8d > > 885-1210_CPM_HUG_Editor.h8d > > 885-1211_Seabattle_In_CPM.h8d > > 885-1212_Utilities_Disk_CPM.h8d > > 885-1228_CPM_Fast_Action_Games.h8d > > 885-1229_CPM_XMET_Robot_And_ET3400_Crossassembler.h8d > > 885-1230_Keymap_CPM.h8d > > 885-8012_Maple_CPM.h8d > > > > During the actual disk transfer process, only one of the 13 disks had > > read errors, 885-1032, it had read errors on the last two track (38 & > > 39). I tried it out, and although it is supposed to be bootable, it > > would not complete the boot, but it appeared to be fine when mounted > > after booting with another disk. > > > > Looking at the list, it appears that I missed an 'e' in the > > description of 885-1052. > > > > Let me know if you have any problems with any of these images. Also, > > if anyone has any issues with any of the existing HUG images, let me > > know, since I have original disks for quite a few of those images, > > too. > > > > I have only two more HUG disks that are not already in the library: > > 885-1237-37 CP/M Utilities > > 885-1249-37 CP/M MAGBASE > > > > But as you can see from the part number these are soft-sectored disks, > > and I'm still without a working soft-sectored controller :-( > > > > I still need to take an inventory of my other non-HUG disks to see if > > any of those are not available in the library. > > > > Mark > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From ddl-cctech at danlan.com Fri Sep 1 13:42:41 2006 From: ddl-cctech at danlan.com (Dan Lanciani) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [sebhc] upload games & Pascal Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <200609011842.OAA06143@ss10.danlan.com> I have uploaded games.zip and jrtpas.zip. The latter contains soft sectored images of JRT Pascal. The former contains an H17 image of Space Odyssey I along with .ABS files of Y-Wing Fighter, Galactic Warrior, and Adventure. Dan Lanciani ddl at danlan.*com -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 13:53:05 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:53:05 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. -- YES !! In-Reply-To: References: <704e82240608301238n60ebc5cej8d57733579d60a37@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240608311832l13dd9bddwde8295f8769ec16a@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.50 BSF_RULE7568M BODY: Custom Rule 7568M 0.28 MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR URI: Includes a link to a likely spammer email Message-ID: <704e82240609011153v3fbe8fc6h53b9f0a49512a998@mail.gmail.com> Between the no shipping cost and my $75, thats more than a $225 advantage in bidding on the system... You can do it!!! :-D Mark On 9/1/06, bill malcolm wrote: > I plan go and pick the item up -- IF I win. > Yes I accept your offer. > bill .. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Garlanger" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:32 PM > Subject: Re: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. -- YES !! > > > > It's already well past the other Bill's top bid of $150, are you local > > to avoid the huge shipping cost? Hopefully you are willing to spend > > closer to what is required to win one of these auctions. I'll make > > the same offer to you (or anyone else on the list) as I made to the > > other Bill, in your case, since you are willing to let me have the > > originals, I'm willing to commit to $75 toward the price of the item > > if you win the auction. If someone else in the group wins and wants to > > keep the originals, I'll still provide you with $40 if you get the > > disk images into the library. (Have I mentioned that I really want to > > get this software ;-) ) > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > > > On 8/31/06, bill malcolm wrote: > > > I will share any Game(s) If I win the bid -- in fact you can have them. > > > bill .. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mark Garlanger" > > > To: "sebhc" > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 2:38 PM > > > Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. > > > > > > > > > > Is there anyone on the list looking to get an H8 system? There is one > > > > on ebay that looks quite interesting - H8/H17/H19 - he has tested it > > > > out AND it comes with some software that the library does not have. > > > > Specifically: Pascal, and "Numerous games" which he clarified to > > > > include: > > > > "The games I have are Exterminator, Munchkin, Gravitron, Y-wing II, > > > > Galactic Warrior, Invaders, Warrior and the classic Adventure." > > > > > > > > Gravitron is one of the games (along with Gravitron 2), that I have > > > > been dieing to get a hold of. > > > > Y-Wing 2 would be nice since I have (a working copy of) the first one. > > > > Some of the other names look familiar, although I already have a > > > > 'working' copy of Munchkin, and the original disks for Adventure. > > > > > > > > The thing is, I have no interested in getting any of the H8 (H17/H19) > > > > hardware (keeping a H89 up and working is enough for me). And the > > > > shipping quote was really high (>$150 since he would just take it to a > > > > 'mailbox etc'-type place). But if some was close enough to Waterford, > > > > MI (looks like it's just NW of Detriot), the shipping fee could be > > > > save by picking it up (you would still need to be confirmed that with > > > > the seller, but based on his choice of using 'mailboxes etc' it seems > > > > he would be open to letting someone come and pick it up). > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested in the auction, let me know, I'd be willing to > > > > pony-up some money for the software (more if I get to keep the actual > > > > disks but still some for just getting the software into the library). > > > > > > > > With 4 days still left in the auction, I know I won't be able to > > > > justify spending all that money (especially for shipping equipment I > > > > don't want) to just get a few programs, but I'm willing to help, in > > > > order to get the software into the library. > > > > > > > > Here is the ebay auction, let me know if you're planning to bid on it, > > > > and we can work out the details. Adding the extra money that I'm > > > > willing to spend to your bid, should help your chances on winning the > > > > auction. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Heathkit-H8-Computer-with-H17-Disk-and-H19-Monitor_W0QQitemZ130021428178QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Fri Sep 1 19:32:28 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:32:28 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] 4044 memory chips Message-ID: <44F8D11C.10800@sc.rr.com> I hope someone can answer this question. seems as though I remember reading that the 2147 memory chip was the same as the 4044 chip, only much faster. I just found a web site that has the 2147 chips for sale, but they are $9 each. www.twobits.com/Parts/parts10.html/ If someone can verify that they are the same, we might a source of chips to populate the H8-1 memory boards. Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Fri Sep 1 20:07:52 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:07:52 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] 4044 memory chips In-Reply-To: <44F8D11C.10800@sc.rr.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <001401c6ce2c$378ce020$6600a8c0@barry> I was probably the source of that information. I believe that the 2147, 4044 and MM5257 are all interchangeable to a large degree (I ***THINK*** that they have the same pinout, and being static memory, timing, while significantly different, really isn't an issue). What I'd suggest that you do is verify the pinout for yourself from available documentation (the 2147's were used in several CompuPro boards whose manuals are available online. I believe that the CompuPro RAM 20 used them, among other boards). Although even this would probably work, I would be inclined not to mix these chip types on the same board, or even more so in the same bank. You can do a lot better than $9 per chip by buying complete memory boards on E-Bay. For example, just a couple of days ago, some (several) Seattle Computer products boards (16K S-100 memory boards (and it's a VERY GOOD S-100 memory board, by the way)) were sold on E-Bay for about $50 per board. While I consider that a high price for the boards (I dropped out of the bidding in the mid $30's), each board has thirty-two (32) 4044's, so on a cost per chip basis, it's under $2 per chip. Boards using 4044's, 5257's and 2147's appear quite often, you just have to know what to look for. Basically, any S-100 static memory card with 16k or 32k per card is likely to use one or another of these chips (a very few of them will use 2114's or 4045's, which are similar chips but organized 1kx4 instead of 4kx1). Barry Watzman Watzman at neo.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Carroll Waddell Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 8:32 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: [sebhc] 4044 memory chips I hope someone can answer this question. seems as though I remember reading that the 2147 memory chip was the same as the 4044 chip, only much faster. I just found a web site that has the 2147 chips for sale, but they are $9 each. www.twobits.com/Parts/parts10.html/ If someone can verify that they are the same, we might a source of chips to populate the H8-1 memory boards. Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Sat Sep 2 11:45:01 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:45:01 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] 4044 memory chips In-Reply-To: <001401c6ce2c$378ce020$6600a8c0@barry> References: <001401c6ce2c$378ce020$6600a8c0@barry> Message-ID: <44F9B50D.3000706@sc.rr.com> Barry Watzman wrote: >I was probably the source of that information. I believe that the 2147, >4044 and MM5257 are all interchangeable to a large degree (I ***THINK*** >that they have the same pinout, and being static memory, timing, while >significantly different, really isn't an issue). What I'd suggest that you >do is verify the pinout for yourself from available documentation (the >2147's were used in several CompuPro boards whose manuals are available >online. I believe that the CompuPro RAM 20 used them, among other boards). >Although even this would probably work, I would be inclined not to mix these >chip types on the same board, or even more so in the same bank. > >You can do a lot better than $9 per chip by buying complete memory boards on >E-Bay. For example, just a couple of days ago, some (several) Seattle >Computer products boards (16K S-100 memory boards (and it's a VERY GOOD >S-100 memory board, by the way)) were sold on E-Bay for about $50 per board. >While I consider that a high price for the boards (I dropped out of the >bidding in the mid $30's), each board has thirty-two (32) 4044's, so on a >cost per chip basis, it's under $2 per chip. Boards using 4044's, 5257's >and 2147's appear quite often, you just have to know what to look for. >Basically, any S-100 static memory card with 16k or 32k per card is likely >to use one or another of these chips (a very few of them will use 2114's or >4045's, which are similar chips but organized 1kx4 instead of 4kx1). > >Barry Watzman >Watzman at neo.rr.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of >Carroll Waddell >Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 8:32 PM >To: sebhc at sebhc.org >Subject: [sebhc] 4044 memory chips > >I hope someone can answer this question. seems as though I remember >reading that the 2147 memory chip was the same as the 4044 chip, only >much faster. >I just found a web site that has the 2147 chips for sale, but they are >$9 each. >www.twobits.com/Parts/parts10.html/ > >If someone can verify that they are the same, we might a source of chips >to populate the H8-1 memory boards. > >Carroll >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > I found a pin out of the 2147 memory chips at Chip Directory.COM They do appear to be the same as the 4044 chips. Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From peter59 at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 2 13:52:13 2006 From: peter59 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Shkabara) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 11:52:13 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] Old PC WordStar Message-ID: <000001c6cec0$e831ac50$0d0014ac@voshod> I have a copy of WordStar release 5 for the PC on 5.25 format disk. This is a "band new" copy - that is, I got it and never opened the package! We are moving and I am not sure of what to do with this. Anyone interested? Shipping weight is about 6 lbs, but it can go media mail. Peter ---------------------------------- peter59 at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garlanger at gmail.com Sat Sep 2 14:24:32 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:24:32 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: 13 New HUG disk images. In-Reply-To: <704e82240608312254m51172dbfx886fdbe82df80bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <704e82240608312254m51172dbfx886fdbe82df80bc@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240609021224j6e97f2d5t2e5ab756195edfb7@mail.gmail.com> I noticed in the HUG Software Products List that I have (Remark #36, Jan 83), that 885-1052 listed as a different package than what I have on my disk. In the magazine, it says that it's a 'H11/H19 Support Package'. But the disk I have, is clearly an original disk and it states ' Morsecode --- H8 Disk'. I've check-out the disk, and verified that it has Morse code software/documentation on it. I also have a hard cardboard instruction sheet, showing how to build the special hardware required by the software, it too has the same 885-1052 part number on it. If someone has any older HUG Lists, could you verify that in fact HUG had this listed at one time, and apparently reused the part number? If this is the case, it's definitely going to be harder to determine what software we are still missing. BTW: Does anyone have a complete collection of Remarks? I only have 6 issues: #36, #42-#47. Anyone planning on scanning these and adding them to the library? Thanks, Mark On 9/1/06, Mark Garlanger wrote: > I tried to upload these 13 HUG Disk images, but both the command-line > ftp and a graphical ftp client had issues transfering after > transfering the first file. > > After a couple of failed attempts, I zipped up all the images and > successfully uploaded them as one zip file: > > HUG_13Disks.zip > > The disks images in that file are: > > 885-1032_DiskV_H8_Misc_Software.h8d > 885-1044_DiskIV_H8 Software_Miscellaneous_Software.h8d > 885-1052_Morsecod_H8_Disk.h8d > 885-1075a_HDOS_Support_Package_Misc_Software.h8d > 885-1075b_HDOS_Support_Package_Misc_Software.h8d > 885-1115_NAVprog7_HDOS_MBASIC_Aircraft_Nav_Aid.h8d > 885-1210_CPM_HUG_Editor.h8d > 885-1211_Seabattle_In_CPM.h8d > 885-1212_Utilities_Disk_CPM.h8d > 885-1228_CPM_Fast_Action_Games.h8d > 885-1229_CPM_XMET_Robot_And_ET3400_Crossassembler.h8d > 885-1230_Keymap_CPM.h8d > 885-8012_Maple_CPM.h8d > > During the actual disk transfer process, only one of the 13 disks had > read errors, 885-1032, it had read errors on the last two track (38 & > 39). I tried it out, and although it is supposed to be bootable, it > would not complete the boot, but it appeared to be fine when mounted > after booting with another disk. > > Looking at the list, it appears that I missed an 'e' in the > description of 885-1052. > > Let me know if you have any problems with any of these images. Also, > if anyone has any issues with any of the existing HUG images, let me > know, since I have original disks for quite a few of those images, > too. > > I have only two more HUG disks that are not already in the library: > 885-1237-37 CP/M Utilities > 885-1249-37 CP/M MAGBASE > > But as you can see from the part number these are soft-sectored disks, > and I'm still without a working soft-sectored controller :-( > > I still need to take an inventory of my other non-HUG disks to see if > any of those are not available in the library. > > Mark > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From peter59 at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 2 14:21:19 2006 From: peter59 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Shkabara) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:21:19 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] Inside CP/M book Message-ID: <000001c6cec4$f8b6cfc0$0d0014ac@voshod> Still cleaning out! I have a copy of David Cortesi's "Inside CP/M" book in very nice condition. This is one of the best references on CP/M that I have used. I kept it due to sentimental reasons, but I really don't need it. Is anyone interested? Sipping weight is about 3lbs, but can also be shipped in a Priority Mail flat rate envelope. Peter ---------------------------------- peter59 at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garlanger at gmail.com Sat Sep 2 14:31:10 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:31:10 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Inside CP/M book In-Reply-To: <000001c6cec4$f8b6cfc0$0d0014ac@voshod> References: <000001c6cec4$f8b6cfc0$0d0014ac@voshod> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.28 MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR URI: Includes a link to a likely spammer email Message-ID: <704e82240609021231y72ef874cv141e05cf4b7ece44@mail.gmail.com> Hi Peter, I'd be interested this book, let me know how much it would be to zip 75025. I'm not in a rush, so you could even use the media rate if that was cheaper. Thanks, Mark On 9/2/06, Peter Shkabara wrote: > > > Still cleaning out! I have a copy of David Cortesi's "Inside CP/M" book in > very nice condition. This is one of the best references on CP/M that I have > used. I kept it due to sentimental reasons, but I really don't need it. Is > anyone interested? Sipping weight is about 3lbs, but can also be shipped in > a Priority Mail flat rate envelope. > > > Peter > ---------------------------------- > peter59 at sbcglobal.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sp11 at hotmail.com Sat Sep 2 19:06:29 2006 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 00:06:29 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] New archive stuff In-Reply-To: <704e82240608312254m51172dbfx886fdbe82df80bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 00:06:29 GMT Mark Garlanger wrote: >HUG_13Disks.zip All these images are now individual files in software/disk-images/HUG Dan Lanciani wrote: >... soft sectored images of JRT Pascal. >... an H17 image of Space Odyssey software/disk-images/other ... .ABS files of Y-Wing Fighter, Galactic Warrior, and Adventure. software/HDOS Also, I made a "contents.txt" file in software/disk-images/HUG listing all the HDOS disk contents (with my "hdir" tool). Enjoy! -- Steven -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Sat Sep 2 19:20:28 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 20:20:28 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] H8 bus termination Message-ID: <44FA1FCC.6030002@sc.rr.com> I've been looking at the H8 bus on a scope. They sure are noisy. Lots of glitches, etc. I was just looking on the internet at bus termination, and I read something by Lee Hart. Is this the Lee in the group? Is there some way that we could come up with a bus termination for the H8 bus? Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Sat Sep 2 20:36:23 2006 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 20:36:23 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] New archive stuff In-Reply-To: Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <000d01c6cef9$5d4e02d0$176fa8c0@obie> thanks Steven! > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org > [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Steven Parker > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 7:06 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: [sebhc] New archive stuff > > > Mark Garlanger wrote: > >HUG_13Disks.zip > > All these images are now individual files in software/disk-images/HUG > > > Dan Lanciani wrote: > > >... soft sectored images of JRT Pascal. > >... an H17 image of Space Odyssey > > software/disk-images/other > > ... .ABS files of Y-Wing Fighter, Galactic Warrior, and Adventure. > > software/HDOS > > > Also, I made a "contents.txt" file in > software/disk-images/HUG listing all > the HDOS disk contents (with my "hdir" tool). > > > Enjoy! > > -- Steven > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release > Date: 9/1/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006 -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Sun Sep 3 07:55:13 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 08:55:13 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Voltage Reg Message-ID: <44FAD0B1.9070504@sc.rr.com> Does anyone know of a newer low dropout voltage regulator that would be a good replacement for the 5 volt regs that were used on the H8 cards? Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Sun Sep 3 13:15:56 2006 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:15:56 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] H8 bus termination References: <44FA1FCC.6030002@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <44FB1BDB.1715@earthlink.net> Carroll Waddell wrote: > I've been looking at the H8 bus on a scope. They sure are noisy. > Lots of glitches, etc. I was just looking on the internet at bus > termination, and I read something by Lee Hart. Is this the Lee > in the group? Could be. What did I say? :-) > Is there some way that we could come up with a bus termination > for the H8 bus? Yes, you could. But you may not need to, except as an aethetics issue. The original design was noisy; but it was designed to work in spite of the noise. Tri-state lines are allowed to "float" when all drivers are off. The bus line is high impedance during these times, so it is easily bounced around by noise. But the cards aren't paying attention to the noise during these times. Also, the design favors level-sensitive logic rather than edge-sensitive so noise pulses are less of an issue. Trionix made an improved motherboard for the H8 that helps a lot. If you can find one, it would be a big improvement. Or, you can replace the old TTL chips with modern CMOS 74HC- or 74HCT logic. It generates far less noise, and is a lot less sensitive to it. -- "Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has!" -- Margaret Mead -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Sun Sep 3 13:05:30 2006 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:05:30 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] Voltage Reg References: <44FAD0B1.9070504@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <44FB196A.7CEB@earthlink.net> Carroll Waddell wrote: > Does anyone know of a newer low dropout voltage regulator that would be > a good replacement for the 5 volt regs that were used on the H8 cards? Why do you want to change them? The low-dropout parts are only an advantage if the input supply voltage is low. With the stock power transformer, that will only happen if your AC line voltage is under 100 volts. If you *do* have low AC line voltage for some reason, a much easier way is to replace the convention rectifier diodes with Schottky diodes. They have half the voltage drop, and so raise the unregulated DC supply voltage by about 1 volt. -- "Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has!" -- Margaret Mead -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com Sun Sep 3 12:42:13 2006 From: carrollwaddell at sc.rr.com (Carroll Waddell) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:42:13 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Voltage Reg In-Reply-To: <44FB196A.7CEB@earthlink.net> References: <44FAD0B1.9070504@sc.rr.com> <44FB196A.7CEB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44FB13F5.9090309@sc.rr.com> Lee Hart wrote: >Carroll Waddell wrote: > > >>Does anyone know of a newer low dropout voltage regulator that would be >>a good replacement for the 5 volt regs that were used on the H8 cards? >> >> > >Why do you want to change them? The low-dropout parts are only an >advantage if the input supply voltage is low. With the stock power >transformer, that will only happen if your AC line voltage is under 100 >volts. > >If you *do* have low AC line voltage for some reason, a much easier way >is to replace the convention rectifier diodes with Schottky diodes. They >have half the voltage drop, and so raise the unregulated DC supply >voltage by about 1 volt. > > This came from the article on bus termination. It said that many problems were solved by replacing the voltage regulators. My H8 systems works very well, but I bought one on Ebay that had more troubles that I can count. I want to repair all the problems and put it back on sale on ebay. I don't want to sell it to someone else with problems, I want it to work RIGHT. Carroll -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Sun Sep 3 20:56:21 2006 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:56:21 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] Voltage Reg References: <44FAD0B1.9070504@sc.rr.com> <44FB196A.7CEB@earthlink.net> <44FB13F5.9090309@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <44FB87C5.2C09@earthlink.net> Carroll Waddell wrote: > This came from the article on bus termination. It said that many > problems were solved by replacing the voltage regulators. That seems unlikely, unless there was something wrong with the old regulators. A 5v supply is a 5v supply -- what mechanism is there for the regulator to make any difference if it is working correctly? > My H8 systems works very well, but I bought one on Ebay that had > more troubles that I can count. I want to repair all the problems > and put it back on sale on ebay. I don't want to sell it to > someone else with problems, I want it to work RIGHT. An admirable attitude! Some of the unreliability may be from the tin-plated connectors that Heath used. 20/20 hindsight says that gold-plated connectors work better. You might solve some of the problems by cleaning the numerous contacts. -- "Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has!" -- Margaret Mead -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Sun Sep 3 22:37:56 2006 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 22:37:56 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Voltage Reg In-Reply-To: <44FB87C5.2C09@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002401c6cfd3$82b8dc40$176fa8c0@obie> > > Some of the unreliability may be from the tin-plated > connectors that Heath used. 20/20 hindsight says that > gold-plated connectors work better. You might solve some of > the problems by cleaning the numerous contacts. > -- And this is the place where Dwight and I always say to use DeOxit, Nygel or Dow Corning #4 dielectric grease to clean the contacts (DeOxit) and prevent oxidation (Nygel and DC#4) Jack -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006 -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Mon Sep 4 00:51:14 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 00:51:14 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. -- YES !! In-Reply-To: <704e82240609011153v3fbe8fc6h53b9f0a49512a998@mail.gmail.com> References: <704e82240608301238n60ebc5cej8d57733579d60a37@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240608311832l13dd9bddwde8295f8769ec16a@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240609011153v3fbe8fc6h53b9f0a49512a998@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.50 BSF_RULE7568M BODY: Custom Rule 7568M 0.28 MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR URI: Includes a link to a likely spammer email Message-ID: <704e82240609032251q1bf49ed2od4b28288664c585d@mail.gmail.com> I'm guessing, no one on the list is 'jam68000'.... Winning bid: US $560.00 Winning bidder: jam68000 Mark On 9/1/06, Mark Garlanger wrote: > Between the no shipping cost and my $75, thats more than a $225 > advantage in bidding on the system... You can do it!!! :-D > > Mark > > On 9/1/06, bill malcolm wrote: > > I plan go and pick the item up -- IF I win. > > Yes I accept your offer. > > bill .. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Garlanger" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. -- YES !! > > > > > > > It's already well past the other Bill's top bid of $150, are you local > > > to avoid the huge shipping cost? Hopefully you are willing to spend > > > closer to what is required to win one of these auctions. I'll make > > > the same offer to you (or anyone else on the list) as I made to the > > > other Bill, in your case, since you are willing to let me have the > > > originals, I'm willing to commit to $75 toward the price of the item > > > if you win the auction. If someone else in the group wins and wants to > > > keep the originals, I'll still provide you with $40 if you get the > > > disk images into the library. (Have I mentioned that I really want to > > > get this software ;-) ) > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > On 8/31/06, bill malcolm wrote: > > > > I will share any Game(s) If I win the bid -- in fact you can have them. > > > > bill .. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Mark Garlanger" > > > > To: "sebhc" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 2:38 PM > > > > Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there anyone on the list looking to get an H8 system? There is one > > > > > on ebay that looks quite interesting - H8/H17/H19 - he has tested it > > > > > out AND it comes with some software that the library does not have. > > > > > Specifically: Pascal, and "Numerous games" which he clarified to > > > > > include: > > > > > "The games I have are Exterminator, Munchkin, Gravitron, Y-wing II, > > > > > Galactic Warrior, Invaders, Warrior and the classic Adventure." > > > > > > > > > > Gravitron is one of the games (along with Gravitron 2), that I have > > > > > been dieing to get a hold of. > > > > > Y-Wing 2 would be nice since I have (a working copy of) the first one. > > > > > Some of the other names look familiar, although I already have a > > > > > 'working' copy of Munchkin, and the original disks for Adventure. > > > > > > > > > > The thing is, I have no interested in getting any of the H8 (H17/H19) > > > > > hardware (keeping a H89 up and working is enough for me). And the > > > > > shipping quote was really high (>$150 since he would just take it to a > > > > > 'mailbox etc'-type place). But if some was close enough to Waterford, > > > > > MI (looks like it's just NW of Detriot), the shipping fee could be > > > > > save by picking it up (you would still need to be confirmed that with > > > > > the seller, but based on his choice of using 'mailboxes etc' it seems > > > > > he would be open to letting someone come and pick it up). > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested in the auction, let me know, I'd be willing to > > > > > pony-up some money for the software (more if I get to keep the actual > > > > > disks but still some for just getting the software into the library). > > > > > > > > > > With 4 days still left in the auction, I know I won't be able to > > > > > justify spending all that money (especially for shipping equipment I > > > > > don't want) to just get a few programs, but I'm willing to help, in > > > > > order to get the software into the library. > > > > > > > > > > Here is the ebay auction, let me know if you're planning to bid on it, > > > > > and we can work out the details. Adding the extra money that I'm > > > > > willing to spend to your bid, should help your chances on winning the > > > > > auction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Heathkit-H8-Computer-with-H17-Disk-and-H19-Monitor_W0QQitemZ130021428178QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Mark > > > > > -- > > > > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > > > > -- > > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > > > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From robertyoung112 at gmail.com Mon Sep 4 10:08:56 2006 From: robertyoung112 at gmail.com (Robert Young) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 10:08:56 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. -- YES !! In-Reply-To: <704e82240609032251q1bf49ed2od4b28288664c585d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44fc4189.6e887ebd.410d.ffff935d@mx.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.50 BSF_RULE7568M BODY: Custom Rule 7568M 0.28 MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR URI: Includes a link to a likely spammer email I bid on the system but it got out of my price range. Robert -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Garlanger Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 12:51 AM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. -- YES !! I'm guessing, no one on the list is 'jam68000'.... Winning bid: US $560.00 Winning bidder: jam68000 Mark On 9/1/06, Mark Garlanger wrote: > Between the no shipping cost and my $75, thats more than a $225 > advantage in bidding on the system... You can do it!!! :-D > > Mark > > On 9/1/06, bill malcolm wrote: > > I plan go and pick the item up -- IF I win. > > Yes I accept your offer. > > bill .. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Garlanger" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. -- YES !! > > > > > > > It's already well past the other Bill's top bid of $150, are you local > > > to avoid the huge shipping cost? Hopefully you are willing to spend > > > closer to what is required to win one of these auctions. I'll make > > > the same offer to you (or anyone else on the list) as I made to the > > > other Bill, in your case, since you are willing to let me have the > > > originals, I'm willing to commit to $75 toward the price of the item > > > if you win the auction. If someone else in the group wins and wants to > > > keep the originals, I'll still provide you with $40 if you get the > > > disk images into the library. (Have I mentioned that I really want to > > > get this software ;-) ) > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > On 8/31/06, bill malcolm wrote: > > > > I will share any Game(s) If I win the bid -- in fact you can have them. > > > > bill .. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Mark Garlanger" > > > > To: "sebhc" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 2:38 PM > > > > Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there anyone on the list looking to get an H8 system? There is one > > > > > on ebay that looks quite interesting - H8/H17/H19 - he has tested it > > > > > out AND it comes with some software that the library does not have. > > > > > Specifically: Pascal, and "Numerous games" which he clarified to > > > > > include: > > > > > "The games I have are Exterminator, Munchkin, Gravitron, Y-wing II, > > > > > Galactic Warrior, Invaders, Warrior and the classic Adventure." > > > > > > > > > > Gravitron is one of the games (along with Gravitron 2), that I have > > > > > been dieing to get a hold of. > > > > > Y-Wing 2 would be nice since I have (a working copy of) the first one. > > > > > Some of the other names look familiar, although I already have a > > > > > 'working' copy of Munchkin, and the original disks for Adventure. > > > > > > > > > > The thing is, I have no interested in getting any of the H8 (H17/H19) > > > > > hardware (keeping a H89 up and working is enough for me). And the > > > > > shipping quote was really high (>$150 since he would just take it to a > > > > > 'mailbox etc'-type place). But if some was close enough to Waterford, > > > > > MI (looks like it's just NW of Detriot), the shipping fee could be > > > > > save by picking it up (you would still need to be confirmed that with > > > > > the seller, but based on his choice of using 'mailboxes etc' it seems > > > > > he would be open to letting someone come and pick it up). > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested in the auction, let me know, I'd be willing to > > > > > pony-up some money for the software (more if I get to keep the actual > > > > > disks but still some for just getting the software into the library). > > > > > > > > > > With 4 days still left in the auction, I know I won't be able to > > > > > justify spending all that money (especially for shipping equipment I > > > > > don't want) to just get a few programs, but I'm willing to help, in > > > > > order to get the software into the library. > > > > > > > > > > Here is the ebay auction, let me know if you're planning to bid on it, > > > > > and we can work out the details. Adding the extra money that I'm > > > > > willing to spend to your bid, should help your chances on winning the > > > > > auction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Heathkit-H8-Computer-with-H17-Disk-and-H19-Monitor_W0QQi temZ130021428178QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Mark > > > > > -- > > > > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > > > > -- > > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > > > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sp11 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 4 19:48:49 2006 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 00:48:49 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. -- YES !! In-Reply-To: <704e82240609032251q1bf49ed2od4b28288664c585d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 00:48:49 GMT >I'm guessing, no one on the list is 'jam68000'.... > >Winning bidder: jam68000 But maybe he would like to be .. and perhaps be willing to share his new software. Would someone want to send him an invite and/or request? -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Mon Sep 4 20:23:15 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 20:23:15 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] H8 on ebay with interesting software. -- YES !! In-Reply-To: References: <704e82240609032251q1bf49ed2od4b28288664c585d@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.28 MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR URI: Includes a link to a likely spammer email Message-ID: <704e82240609041823s11a8a4dasd38eaf3f1ded74b1@mail.gmail.com> Yea, I was going to attempt to contact him, but apparently E-bay has been more aggressive in not allowing people that don't have an active ebay transaction to contact one another. I have contacted the seller to see if he would pass my email address to him, with the hope that the buyer would contact me, but I haven't heard from either the seller or the buyer. Mark On 9/4/06, Steven Parker wrote: > >I'm guessing, no one on the list is 'jam68000'.... > > > >Winning bidder: jam68000 > > But maybe he would like to be .. and perhaps be willing to share his new > software. > > Would someone want to send him an invite and/or request? > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From peter59 at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 6 10:09:56 2006 From: peter59 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Shkabara) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 08:09:56 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] H89-a manual Message-ID: <000001c6d1c6$85b4db70$0d0014ac@voshod> I have an almost mint condition manual for the H-89A, an illustration booklet, and part two of three schematic (the main computer schematic). We are moving next week, so I want to find a good home for these items. $5 would cover shipping by priority mail. Peter ---------------------------------- peter59 at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have several 'working' copies and I could take an image of one of them for the library if no one has the original disks. The disks I have appear to be from some class on SuperCalc, since I have 14 disks and one is labeled 'INS' (assuming instructor) and the other are number 1 to 13. We probably need to have some way to specify if the disk images in the library are from original disks, or a working copy. Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Thu Sep 7 20:24:59 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:24:59 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] SuperCalc In-Reply-To: <704e82240609071744m4f72d465j903fc962a7f29c75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b901c6d2e5$9a23f7b0$6a00a8c0@matsonic> I don't know if I have original disks, but I have the file from what I think is an original disk. There are only 5 or 6 files, and they only total about 130k (total for all files combined). Barry Watzman Watzman at neo.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Garlanger Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:45 PM To: sebhc Subject: [sebhc] SuperCalc Does anyone have the original disk(s) for SuperCalc? I have several 'working' copies and I could take an image of one of them for the library if no one has the original disks. The disks I have appear to be from some class on SuperCalc, since I have 14 disks and one is labeled 'INS' (assuming instructor) and the other are number 1 to 13. We probably need to have some way to specify if the disk images in the library are from original disks, or a working copy. Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From ddl-cctech at danlan.com Fri Sep 8 14:38:26 2006 From: ddl-cctech at danlan.com (Dan Lanciani) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [sebhc] SuperCalc Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <200609081938.PAA20819@ss10.danlan.com> |Does anyone have the original disk(s) for SuperCalc? Hmm. I have copies of what I believe to be the original distribution disks for two releases. One is one disk and the other a pair. But I'm a little confused about this. I think I have the manuals somewhere and I will see if they shed any light on the nature/number of distribution disks. Perhaps the original disks are with the manuals. Dan Lanciani ddl at danlan.*com -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From wm65805 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 8 15:04:08 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:04:08 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] SuperCalc References: <200609081938.PAA20819@ss10.danlan.com> Message-ID: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:03:55 +0000 hi : I Will look and see what my discs look like. bill .. PS -- I lack a manual and would like to get PDF of them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Lanciani" To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [sebhc] SuperCalc > |Does anyone have the original disk(s) for SuperCalc? > > Hmm. I have copies of what I believe to be the original distribution > disks for two releases. One is one disk and the other a pair. But > I'm a little confused about this. I think I have the manuals somewhere > and I will see if they shed any light on the nature/number of distribution > disks. Perhaps the original disks are with the manuals. > > Dan Lanciani > ddl at danlan.*com > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Fri Sep 8 15:02:14 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 16:02:14 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] SuperCalc In-Reply-To: <200609081938.PAA20819@ss10.danlan.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <005101c6d381$ae139a40$6a00a8c0@matsonic> I have the Supercalc manuals scanned as PDFs. In fact I have two different ones (two different versions). These are original Sorcim manuals, not Heath manuals. If anyone wants them, I can arrange delivery either by E-Mail or by dropload. Barry Watzman Watzman at neo.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Dan Lanciani Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 3:38 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] SuperCalc |Does anyone have the original disk(s) for SuperCalc? Hmm. I have copies of what I believe to be the original distribution disks for two releases. One is one disk and the other a pair. But I'm a little confused about this. I think I have the manuals somewhere and I will see if they shed any light on the nature/number of distribution disks. Perhaps the original disks are with the manuals. Dan Lanciani ddl at danlan.*com -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From wm65805 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 8 15:09:15 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:09:15 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Another h-8 on ebay -- Yes I have bid it Again References: <704e82240609071744m4f72d465j903fc962a7f29c75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:08:57 +0000 bill . -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Fri Sep 8 15:47:21 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:47:21 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] SuperCalc In-Reply-To: <005101c6d381$ae139a40$6a00a8c0@matsonic> References: <200609081938.PAA20819@ss10.danlan.com> <005101c6d381$ae139a40$6a00a8c0@matsonic> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240609081347oab9355cob15141a8c69f918@mail.gmail.com> If the archive does not want to store it since it's not a Heath Manual, I have webspace that it can be uploaded to, and made available. Mark On 9/8/06, Barry Watzman wrote: > I have the Supercalc manuals scanned as PDFs. In fact I have two different > ones (two different versions). These are original Sorcim manuals, not Heath > manuals. If anyone wants them, I can arrange delivery either by E-Mail or > by dropload. > > Barry Watzman > Watzman at neo.rr.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of > Dan Lanciani > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 3:38 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: Re: [sebhc] SuperCalc > > |Does anyone have the original disk(s) for SuperCalc? > > Hmm. I have copies of what I believe to be the original distribution > disks for two releases. One is one disk and the other a pair. But > I'm a little confused about this. I think I have the manuals somewhere > and I will see if they shed any light on the nature/number of distribution > disks. Perhaps the original disks are with the manuals. > > Dan Lanciani > ddl at danlan.*com > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Fri Sep 8 15:45:19 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:45:19 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] H47/ H-89-47 Message-ID: <704e82240609081345q13b0a823r1d23ae0003585e29@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone happen to have an H47 drive system that they are looking to sell? (Yes, I know this is a long shot). Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From wm65805 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 11 16:09:18 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:09:18 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] SuperCalc References: <200609081938.PAA20819@ss10.danlan.com> <005101c6d381$ae139a40$6a00a8c0@matsonic> <704e82240609081347oab9355cob15141a8c69f918@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:09:30 +0000 YES I would like a copy of them -- Thanks for Work. bill .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Garlanger" To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [sebhc] SuperCalc > If the archive does not want to store it since it's not a Heath > Manual, I have webspace that it can be uploaded to, and made > available. > > Mark > > > On 9/8/06, Barry Watzman wrote: > > I have the Supercalc manuals scanned as PDFs. In fact I have two different > > ones (two different versions). These are original Sorcim manuals, not Heath > > manuals. If anyone wants them, I can arrange delivery either by E-Mail or > > by dropload. > > > > Barry Watzman > > Watzman at neo.rr.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of > > Dan Lanciani > > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 3:38 PM > > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > > Subject: Re: [sebhc] SuperCalc > > > > |Does anyone have the original disk(s) for SuperCalc? > > > > Hmm. I have copies of what I believe to be the original distribution > > disks for two releases. One is one disk and the other a pair. But > > I'm a little confused about this. I think I have the manuals somewhere > > and I will see if they shed any light on the nature/number of distribution > > disks. Perhaps the original disks are with the manuals. > > > > Dan Lanciani > > ddl at danlan.*com > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > > > > -- > > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From wm65805 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 13:38:02 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:38:02 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! Message-ID: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:37:58 +0000 A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 4136 bytes Desc: not available URL: From garlanger at gmail.com Thu Sep 14 00:53:59 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:53:59 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] upload games & Pascal In-Reply-To: <200609011842.OAA06143@ss10.danlan.com> References: <200609011842.OAA06143@ss10.danlan.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240609132253m7acc9bcdladc32d05285efead@mail.gmail.com> Hi Dan, Thanks for those files, I finally got some blank (hard-sectored) media and was able to create the space odyssey disk. Is yours the original and does it state that it's for both HDOS and CP/M? I saw a picture of some other original Evryware disks that stated support for both HDOS and CP/M on the label. I'm not sure how they did that, but I tried Odyssey under HDOS and had no problems. When I tried to use it under CP/M, I can see the directory, it correctly states that the executable is odyssey.COM (under HDOS it correctly shows it as a odyssey.ABS). So I'm assuming this IS one of Evryware's dual OS disks, but when I tried to run under CP/M, I get a "BAD LOAD" error message. Maybe there is some limitation on the disk transfer program that prevents this from working (or I used the transfer program incorrectly - I didn't specify volume number, do I need to in this case). If you have the original, can you see if your disk works in both HDOS and CP/M? Thanks, Mark On 9/1/06, Dan Lanciani wrote: > I have uploaded games.zip and jrtpas.zip. The latter contains soft > sectored images of JRT Pascal. The former contains an H17 image of > Space Odyssey I along with .ABS files of Y-Wing Fighter, Galactic Warrior, > and Adventure. > > Dan Lanciani > ddl at danlan.*com > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From ddl-cctech at danlan.com Thu Sep 14 02:11:28 2006 From: ddl-cctech at danlan.com (Dan Lanciani) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [sebhc] upload games & Pascal Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.75 BSF_RULE_7580C BODY: Custom Rule 7580C 0.75 BSF_RULE_7580G BODY: Custom Rule 7580G 0.75 BSF_RULE_7580D BODY: Custom Rule 7580D Message-ID: <200609140711.DAA08877@ss10.danlan.com> | Thanks for those files, I finally got some blank (hard-sectored) |media and was able to create the space odyssey disk. Is yours the |original and does it state that it's for both HDOS and CP/M? Yes, & yes. I was even able to run it on a non-Heath cp/m system (with an H19) at one time... 20+ years ago... |I saw a |picture of some other original Evryware disks that stated support for |both HDOS and CP/M on the label. I'm not sure how they did that, As I recall they had a file on one OS of space to hold the other's used sectors. It wasn't too hard. |but I |tried Odyssey under HDOS and had no problems. When I tried to use it |under CP/M, I can see the directory, it correctly states that the |executable is odyssey.COM (under HDOS it correctly shows it as a |odyssey.ABS). So I'm assuming this IS one of Evryware's dual OS disks, |but when I tried to run under CP/M, I get a "BAD LOAD" error message. It's possible that my own transfer mechanism caused some problem, but I doubt it. |Maybe there is some limitation on the disk transfer program that |prevents this from working (or I used the transfer program incorrectly |- I didn't specify volume number, do I need to in this case). I haven't looked at that program, so I'm not sure. |If you |have the original, can you see if your disk works in both HDOS and |CP/M? I have the original, but unfortunately my H8 isn't in working order at the moment. I imaged the disks on a different machine using an (IMHO) clever hardware hack to get an MFM controller to read the raw bits. Dan Lanciani ddl at danlan.*com -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Thu Sep 14 10:59:55 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:59:55 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] upload games & Pascal In-Reply-To: <200609140711.DAA08877@ss10.danlan.com> References: <200609140711.DAA08877@ss10.danlan.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240609140859kda0abd0y517a486e92b7de7e@mail.gmail.com> On 9/14/06, Dan Lanciani wrote: > |I saw a > |picture of some other original Evryware disks that stated support for > |both HDOS and CP/M on the label. I'm not sure how they did that, > > As I recall they had a file on one OS of space to hold the other's used > sectors. It wasn't too hard. > When I have some time, I plan to look though the disk image and figure out what they did. > |but I > |tried Odyssey under HDOS and had no problems. When I tried to use it > |under CP/M, I can see the directory, it correctly states that the > |executable is odyssey.COM (under HDOS it correctly shows it as a > |odyssey.ABS). So I'm assuming this IS one of Evryware's dual OS disks, > |but when I tried to run under CP/M, I get a "BAD LOAD" error message. > > It's possible that my own transfer mechanism caused some problem, but > I doubt it. > Since the HDOS version had no problems, your transfer was probably fine. > |Maybe there is some limitation on the disk transfer program that > |prevents this from working (or I used the transfer program incorrectly > |- I didn't specify volume number, do I need to in this case). > > I haven't looked at that program, so I'm not sure. > > |If you > |have the original, can you see if your disk works in both HDOS and > |CP/M? > > I have the original, but unfortunately my H8 isn't in working order at > the moment. I imaged the disks on a different machine using an (IMHO) > clever hardware hack to get an MFM controller to read the raw bits. Wow, thanks for taking the extra effort to make the image, I had assumed you just used the H89trans program. I have a couple of things I plan to try tonight to see if I can get it working but at least I have a working version now. Has anyone else on the list created a disk from that image? Are you able to run the CP/M version of space odyssey? Thanks, Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From bandit1921 at cox.net Thu Sep 14 14:09:36 2006 From: bandit1921 at cox.net (Joe Smith) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:09:36 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] upload games & Pascal In-Reply-To: <704e82240609140859kda0abd0y517a486e92b7de7e@mail.gmail.com > References: <200609140711.DAA08877@ss10.danlan.com> <704e82240609140859kda0abd0y517a486e92b7de7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060914120718.0271d530@cox.net> Seems to me there was an article in one of the Remarks or Sextant that described a way to do it. I tried it a couple of times myself, pretty neat idea.One OS can not see the others files or space,but if I remember correctly, it was split in half and a hard sectored disk was used. At 10:59 AM 9/14/2006 -0500, you wrote: >On 9/14/06, Dan Lanciani wrote: > >>|I saw a >>|picture of some other original Evryware disks that stated support for >>|both HDOS and CP/M on the label. I'm not sure how they did that, >> >>As I recall they had a file on one OS of space to hold the other's used >>sectors. It wasn't too hard. > >When I have some time, I plan to look though the disk image and figure >out what they did. > >>|but I >>|tried Odyssey under HDOS and had no problems. When I tried to use it >>|under CP/M, I can see the directory, it correctly states that the >>|executable is odyssey.COM (under HDOS it correctly shows it as a >>|odyssey.ABS). So I'm assuming this IS one of Evryware's dual OS disks, >>|but when I tried to run under CP/M, I get a "BAD LOAD" error message. >> >>It's possible that my own transfer mechanism caused some problem, but >>I doubt it. > >Since the HDOS version had no problems, your transfer was probably fine. > >>|Maybe there is some limitation on the disk transfer program that >>|prevents this from working (or I used the transfer program incorrectly >>|- I didn't specify volume number, do I need to in this case). >> >>I haven't looked at that program, so I'm not sure. >> >>|If you >>|have the original, can you see if your disk works in both HDOS and >>|CP/M? >> >>I have the original, but unfortunately my H8 isn't in working order at >>the moment. I imaged the disks on a different machine using an (IMHO) >>clever hardware hack to get an MFM controller to read the raw bits. > >Wow, thanks for taking the extra effort to make the image, I had >assumed you just used the H89trans program. I have a couple of things >I plan to try tonight to see if I can get it working but at least I >have a working version now. > >Has anyone else on the list created a disk from that image? Are you >able to run the CP/M version of space odyssey? > >Thanks, > Mark >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List Joe Smith joebandit jtsdadinaz Conbuilder debugger /Programmer -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From wm65805 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 14 17:55:15 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:55:15 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: PAM-8.pdf ? update References: <704e82240608312254m51172dbfx886fdbe82df80bc@mail.gmail.com> <704e82240609011131r6fa420f2g9c713678223ef1bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:55:16 +0000 It seems that there is NO PAGE 17 everything is there no code or source is missing. sorry .. bill . ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill malcolm" To: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: [sebhc] Re: PAM-8.pdf ? > HI: I found this file is missing pg 17 Jumps from 16 to 18 . > > bill .. > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Thu Sep 14 23:48:43 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:48:43 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] upload games & Pascal In-Reply-To: <704e82240609140859kda0abd0y517a486e92b7de7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <200609140711.DAA08877@ss10.danlan.com> <704e82240609140859kda0abd0y517a486e92b7de7e@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.00 BSF_SC5_SA011c Custom Rule SA011c Message-ID: <704e82240609142148m7d4ab93ambeafac1e2e82af82@mail.gmail.com> On 9/14/06, Mark Garlanger wrote: > Has anyone else on the list created a disk from that image? Are you > able to run the CP/M version of space odyssey? > I figured out what the problem was. Error on my part. After googling a little for "bad load" and cp/m, I saw that the CP/M manual provided no help: "CCP error message, or SAVE error message", but for some other software call microshell, it clearly stated that the program was too big for memory and implied the error message meant the same under CP/M. My problem was that the disk, I was using to boot, thought the system had 32K and it was write-protected, even though I did a 'configur' so that it would know there was 64k, and I did the option for 'making changes to memory only', the system still only used 32k, putting in one of my other CP/M disks allowed the program to work just fine. Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dkelvey at hotmail.com Fri Sep 15 09:01:08 2006 From: dkelvey at hotmail.com (dwight elvey) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:01:08 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] upload games & Pascal In-Reply-To: <704e82240609140859kda0abd0y517a486e92b7de7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:01:08 GMT >From: "Mark Garlanger" > >On 9/14/06, Dan Lanciani wrote: > >>|I saw a >>|picture of some other original Evryware disks that stated support for >>|both HDOS and CP/M on the label. I'm not sure how they did that, >> >>As I recall they had a file on one OS of space to hold the other's used >>sectors. It wasn't too hard. >> > >When I have some time, I plan to look though the disk image and figure >out what they did. Hi I don't think it would be too hard. CP/M uses a fixed location for directories and HDOS put a pointer in the track0. I would think it would be relatively easy. Each system would see the other directory information as used disk space. Dwight > >>|but I >>|tried Odyssey under HDOS and had no problems. When I tried to use it >>|under CP/M, I can see the directory, it correctly states that the >>|executable is odyssey.COM (under HDOS it correctly shows it as a >>|odyssey.ABS). So I'm assuming this IS one of Evryware's dual OS disks, >>|but when I tried to run under CP/M, I get a "BAD LOAD" error message. >> >>It's possible that my own transfer mechanism caused some problem, but >>I doubt it. >> > >Since the HDOS version had no problems, your transfer was probably fine. > >>|Maybe there is some limitation on the disk transfer program that >>|prevents this from working (or I used the transfer program incorrectly >>|- I didn't specify volume number, do I need to in this case). >> >>I haven't looked at that program, so I'm not sure. >> >>|If you >>|have the original, can you see if your disk works in both HDOS and >>|CP/M? >> >>I have the original, but unfortunately my H8 isn't in working order at >>the moment. I imaged the disks on a different machine using an (IMHO) >>clever hardware hack to get an MFM controller to read the raw bits. > >Wow, thanks for taking the extra effort to make the image, I had >assumed you just used the H89trans program. I have a couple of things >I plan to try tonight to see if I can get it working but at least I >have a working version now. > >Has anyone else on the list created a disk from that image? Are you >able to run the CP/M version of space odyssey? > >Thanks, > Mark >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Fri Sep 15 10:09:36 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:09:36 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] upload games & Pasca In-Reply-To: References: <704e82240609140859kda0abd0y517a486e92b7de7e@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240609150809t7dc0ecf4y92bdff2f1f920926@mail.gmail.com> Hi Dwight, Thanks for writing the h89trans program, it made these transfers so easy. Have you thought about enhancing the PC portion to support Windows or Linux? This would allow it to have a GUI interface and support long filenames. I've looked over the code for both the PC and H89 sides, and if I can find some free time, may try to write a new PC program to do the transfers either for Windows or Linux, kinda split on which one I should do since I use both. Thanks, Mark On 9/15/06, dwight elvey wrote: > >From: "Mark Garlanger" > > > >On 9/14/06, Dan Lanciani wrote: > > > >>|I saw a > >>|picture of some other original Evryware disks that stated support for > >>|both HDOS and CP/M on the label. I'm not sure how they did that, > >> > >>As I recall they had a file on one OS of space to hold the other's used > >>sectors. It wasn't too hard. > >> > > > >When I have some time, I plan to look though the disk image and figure > >out what they did. > > Hi > I don't think it would be too hard. CP/M uses a fixed location for > directories and HDOS put a pointer in the track0. I would think > it would be relatively easy. Each system would see the other directory > information as used disk space. > Dwight > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From sp11 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 15 18:11:14 2006 From: sp11 at hotmail.com (Steven Parker) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:11:14 +0000 Subject: [sebhc] Re: PAM-8.pdf ? update - WOW!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:11:14 GMT Bill M. pointed out: >It seems that there is NO PAGE 17 >everything is there no code or source is missing. Wow! It seems you've discovered a genuine gem in Heath history here. If you look closely, you can see that this is not actually a single listing at all, but an interleave of two separate ones, run about 2 hours apart, using two different versions of the assembler. Page 1 is the beginning of a listing made at 3:43pm using assembler version 1.1, and on page 4 you can see the first interleave from a listing made at 1:23pm using version 1.0. I can't even be certain these were made from the same source file, or if the two different versions of the assembler just handled page eject decisions differently. Also, since the 1.1 assembler was not itself created until June of that year, the assembly date of Apr 1 is clearly bogus, at least on the 1.1 listing. So it's quite possible that these listings were not even produced on the same day. Why the manual would have been created this way is quite mysterious, and unless the guy who did it steps forward, we may never know. But just the fact that it WAS done is a real hoot! Thanks for directing my attention to this! What a chuckle! -- Steven -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Fri Sep 15 19:34:54 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:34:54 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Suggestions for restoration of poorly maintained equipment Message-ID: <704e82240609151734m13344ddax6ee298c325ce306b@mail.gmail.com> I was the winning bidder of this not so well taken care of H89(pics in the link): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320023111788 The seller took the pieces apart and just mailed the important stuff. Does anyone have any pointers on how best to clean it up. Is rubbing alcohol a good choice. For $10, I thought I would at least try to see if the soft-sectored controller might be working. There is visible signs of rust and corrosion. Is it possible to clean it off with anything? Is there anything I need to be careful about with the floppy? Except for dirt and cobwebs, it appears to be in ok condition. BTW: If anyone needs a (slightly rusty) CPU or terminal board, just let me know. Thanks, Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From oldcpu at rogerwilco.org Sat Sep 16 13:21:48 2006 From: oldcpu at rogerwilco.org (J Blaser) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:21:48 -0600 Subject: [sebhc] Suggestions for restoration of poorly maintained equipment In-Reply-To: <704e82240609151734m13344ddax6ee298c325ce306b@mail.gmail.com> References: <704e82240609151734m13344ddax6ee298c325ce306b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <450C40BC.90208@rogerwilco.org> Mark Garlanger wrote: > I was the winning bidder of this not so well taken care of H89(pics in > the link): > This one has lived a hard life, for sure! :) > signs of rust and corrosion. Is it possible to clean it off with > anything? Is there anything I need to be careful about with the > floppy? Except for dirt and cobwebs, it appears to be in ok condition. > During the past 12 months I've been reviving a number of old (off-topic, I know) DEC PDP-11s and MicroVAXen. Some were in good shape, some were in pretty dirty state. To clean them up, I started by vacuuming (yes!) everything I could reach with my shop vac hose. Then I disassembled each system down to the major components (boards, drives, etc.), vacuumed again, and then used Windex, first sprayed onto a rag (I don't spray directly onto the parts), to clean everything from there. This has worked very well for me, and as long as everything is dry before you re-assemble and apply power, there is no problem. Good luck! ;) Jared -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Sat Sep 16 14:17:46 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:17:46 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Suggestions for restoration of poorly maintained equipment In-Reply-To: <450C40BC.90208@rogerwilco.org> Message-ID: <000001c6d9c4$caf180c0$6700a8c0@barry> Lighter fluid (cigarette lighter fluid ... Ronson, Zippo, etc.) is a very good cleaner, I use it extensively to clean up old laptops. Windex is also very good. Rust is a hard problem to deal with, there is a product called "Naval Jelly" that works to remove it in some cases on some alloys. It's toxic and corrosive, and you need to be able to rinse (immerse) the part in water when done to remove it. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of J Blaser Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 2:22 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] Suggestions for restoration of poorly maintained equipment Mark Garlanger wrote: > I was the winning bidder of this not so well taken care of H89(pics in > the link): > This one has lived a hard life, for sure! :) > signs of rust and corrosion. Is it possible to clean it off with > anything? Is there anything I need to be careful about with the > floppy? Except for dirt and cobwebs, it appears to be in ok condition. > During the past 12 months I've been reviving a number of old (off-topic, I know) DEC PDP-11s and MicroVAXen. Some were in good shape, some were in pretty dirty state. To clean them up, I started by vacuuming (yes!) everything I could reach with my shop vac hose. Then I disassembled each system down to the major components (boards, drives, etc.), vacuumed again, and then used Windex, first sprayed onto a rag (I don't spray directly onto the parts), to clean everything from there. This has worked very well for me, and as long as everything is dry before you re-assemble and apply power, there is no problem. Good luck! ;) Jared -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From rgroh at swbell.net Sun Sep 17 00:09:42 2006 From: rgroh at swbell.net (Bob and Bettina Groh) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:09:42 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <450CD896.6010400@swbell.net> Bill, I may have missed something here. Are you implying that you are working on a IDE adapter for the H-8 and/or H-89? And that the adapter would only take 5 TTL chips? If so where does the project stand? Bob Groh bill malcolm wrote: > Here is link for suppler for IDE 2 Flash Memory about $10.00 > http://www.dealsonic.com/sysdidetocof.html > > I forgot to include the chip count for IDE adapter it uses 5 cheap > TTL chips. > > bill .. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* bill malcolm > *To:* stephane.guillard at steria.com > > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:58 PM > *Subject:* Great Idea for IDE > > HI: Just to let you know I am going to use these Ideas for the > following projects. > 1. Apple Lisa > 2. Apple 3 > 3. Heath H-8 & H-89 > 4. Tandy models 4 & 6000 > 5. Maybe even the Corvus Concept I am building using an Mac Plus > > Thanks for post this concept to the web. > > I hope post my work at http://www.applelinc-lisa.org later. > > > bill .. > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dkelvey at hotmail.com Sun Sep 17 10:21:38 2006 From: dkelvey at hotmail.com (dwight elvey) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 08:21:38 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] Suggestions for restoration of poorly maintained equipment In-Reply-To: <704e82240609151734m13344ddax6ee298c325ce306b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:21:38 GMT Hi Mark If you got the CRT and yoke, just dust the yoke off and put it someplace warm to get any moisture out of it. Rusted piece can be cleaned with naval jelly but you'll need to disassemble as it is bad stuff to have in contact with electronics. Dwight >From: "Mark Garlanger" > >I was the winning bidder of this not so well taken care of H89(pics in >the link): > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320023111788 > >The seller took the pieces apart and just mailed the important stuff. >Does anyone have any pointers on how best to clean it up. Is rubbing >alcohol a good choice. For $10, I thought I would at least try to see >if the soft-sectored controller might be working. There is visible >signs of rust and corrosion. Is it possible to clean it off with >anything? Is there anything I need to be careful about with the >floppy? Except for dirt and cobwebs, it appears to be in ok condition. > >BTW: If anyone needs a (slightly rusty) CPU or terminal board, just let me >know. > >Thanks, > Mark >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dkelvey at hotmail.com Sun Sep 17 10:39:48 2006 From: dkelvey at hotmail.com (dwight elvey) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 08:39:48 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] upload games & Pasca In-Reply-To: <704e82240609150809t7dc0ecf4y92bdff2f1f920926@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:39:48 GMT Hi Mark Although, I use both Linux and some windows at work, I know little about the guts. I've always said, I'd help anyone that wants to write the highside program for another platform. Not a hole lot to the program. The most complicated part is dealing with things like the first track and floppy ID's. This is just menus or for windows, some buttons. Since you now have a soft sectored controller, something for that would also be great. Dwight >From: "Mark Garlanger" > >Hi Dwight, > > Thanks for writing the h89trans program, it made these transfers so >easy. Have you thought about enhancing the PC portion to support >Windows or Linux? This would allow it to have a GUI interface and >support long filenames. I've looked over the code for both the PC and >H89 sides, and if I can find some free time, may try to write a new PC >program to do the transfers either for Windows or Linux, kinda split >on which one I should do since I use both. > >Thanks, > Mark > > >On 9/15/06, dwight elvey wrote: >> >From: "Mark Garlanger" >> > >> >On 9/14/06, Dan Lanciani wrote: >> > >> >>|I saw a >> >>|picture of some other original Evryware disks that stated support for >> >>|both HDOS and CP/M on the label. I'm not sure how they did that, >> >> >> >>As I recall they had a file on one OS of space to hold the other's used >> >>sectors. It wasn't too hard. >> >> >> > >> >When I have some time, I plan to look though the disk image and figure >> >out what they did. >> >>Hi >>I don't think it would be too hard. CP/M uses a fixed location for >>directories and HDOS put a pointer in the track0. I would think >>it would be relatively easy. Each system would see the other directory >>information as used disk space. >>Dwight >> >-- >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From wm65805 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 18 10:49:19 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:49:19 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS References: <450CD896.6010400@swbell.net> Message-ID: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:49:29 +0000 hi: Current status is . I am designing a small PCB that will have an IDE connector. I need to order the 5 TTL chips soon then I will build a proto PCB unit. I will post updates --- later thanks for asking. bill .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob and Bettina Groh" To: ; Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! > Bill, > > I may have missed something here. Are you implying that you > are working on a IDE adapter for the H-8 and/or H-89? And > that the adapter would only take 5 TTL chips? If so where > does the project stand? > > Bob Groh > > bill malcolm wrote: > > Here is link for suppler for IDE 2 Flash Memory about $10.00 > > http://www.dealsonic.com/sysdidetocof.html > > > > I forgot to include the chip count for IDE adapter it uses 5 cheap > > TTL chips. > > > > bill .. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* bill malcolm > > *To:* stephane.guillard at steria.com > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:58 PM > > *Subject:* Great Idea for IDE > > > > HI: Just to let you know I am going to use these Ideas for the > > following projects. > > 1. Apple Lisa > > 2. Apple 3 > > 3. Heath H-8 & H-89 > > 4. Tandy models 4 & 6000 > > 5. Maybe even the Corvus Concept I am building using an Mac Plus > > > > Thanks for post this concept to the web. > > > > I hope post my work at http://www.applelinc-lisa.org later. > > > > > > bill .. > > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Mon Sep 18 12:31:09 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:31:09 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] upload games & Pasc In-Reply-To: References: <704e82240609150809t7dc0ecf4y92bdff2f1f920926@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240609181031u19a99e20k83a238f3325337aa@mail.gmail.com> On 9/17/06, dwight elvey wrote: > > > Hi Mark > Although, I use both Linux and some windows at work, I know little > about the guts. > I've always said, I'd help anyone that wants to write the highside program > for another platform. Not a hole lot to the program. The most complicated > part is dealing with things like the first track and floppy ID's. This is > just > menus or for windows, some buttons. Once, I get something going, I'll let you know. > Since you now have a soft sectored controller, something for that would > also be great. Hopefully THIS one will work... I actually have two others, one refuses to read any disk, the other one has a very loose connector (the big one connecting it back to the CPU board) and my attempt to replace it was, let us say, "less than successful". This board has cleaned-up fairly well, although some of the chips show visible rust on them. I'm going to try it as it is, and if it doesn't work, I'll try using some of the chips out of one of the other boards. My lack of an ocsilliscope and the fact that I haven't really worked on any electronics since college isn't helping my effort ;-) Mark > Dwight > > >From: "Mark Garlanger" > > > >Hi Dwight, > > > > Thanks for writing the h89trans program, it made these transfers so > >easy. Have you thought about enhancing the PC portion to support > >Windows or Linux? This would allow it to have a GUI interface and > >support long filenames. I've looked over the code for both the PC and > >H89 sides, and if I can find some free time, may try to write a new PC > >program to do the transfers either for Windows or Linux, kinda split > >on which one I should do since I use both. > > > >Thanks, > > Mark > > > > > >On 9/15/06, dwight elvey wrote: > >> >From: "Mark Garlanger" > >> > > >> >On 9/14/06, Dan Lanciani wrote: > >> > > >> >>|I saw a > >> >>|picture of some other original Evryware disks that stated support for > >> >>|both HDOS and CP/M on the label. I'm not sure how they did that, > >> >> > >> >>As I recall they had a file on one OS of space to hold the other's used > >> >>sectors. It wasn't too hard. > >> >> > >> > > >> >When I have some time, I plan to look though the disk image and figure > >> >out what they did. > >> > >>Hi > >>I don't think it would be too hard. CP/M uses a fixed location for > >>directories and HDOS put a pointer in the track0. I would think > >>it would be relatively easy. Each system would see the other directory > >>information as used disk space. > >>Dwight > >> > >-- > >Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Mon Sep 18 15:39:27 2006 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:39:27 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS In-Reply-To: References: <450CD896.6010400@swbell.net> Message-ID: <450F03FF.2040203@earthlink.net> bill malcolm wrote: > I am designing a small PCB that will have an IDE connector. > I need to order the 5 TTL chips soon then I will build a proto PCB unit. Is this Mike Riley's circuit, which used a 74LS04, 74LS75, and 74LS32 for an IDE/ATA interface, or something else? Let me know what chips you need, as I have tubes full of old TTL parts that I'd be glad to donate to the cause. I'm finding that one-by-one, all my old 5.25" disks and drives are dying. I need to find something else to replace them, or soon won't have any that still work on my H89/H8! -- Ring the bells that still can ring Forget the perfect offering There is a crack in everything That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com Mon Sep 18 16:03:06 2006 From: RONALD.S.WEST at saic.com (West, Ronald S.) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:03:06 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS Message-ID: <58FCC1586AD7884BB367EA05255643BC01D3D54A@0015-its-exmb05.us.saic.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/plain rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Size: 1538 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wm65805 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 19 12:50:36 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:50:36 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- chips used References: <450CD896.6010400@swbell.net> <450F03FF.2040203@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:50:48 +0000 HI: this uses the following chips 3 74hct32 1 74hct08 1 74hct04 This design is not mine -- I found this used for the apple II & would be easy to use with the Z-80. I also found that there are adapters that connect to IDE and allows the use of Flash Card memory. I have received 3 of them from an ebay bid in august. This adapter allows 2 devices That being the standard for IDE. Boot code is needed for this device Since IDE is much like to WD floppy controller < soft sector> that should be easy> Any suggestions are welcome. I am going to order the ttl parts soon -- as I plan to also order USB parts for another design idea. bill .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Hart" To: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS > bill malcolm wrote: > > I am designing a small PCB that will have an IDE connector. > > I need to order the 5 TTL chips soon then I will build a proto PCB unit. > > Is this Mike Riley's circuit, which used a 74LS04, 74LS75, and 74LS32 > for an IDE/ATA interface, or something else? Let me know what chips you > need, as I have tubes full of old TTL parts that I'd be glad to donate > to the cause. > > I'm finding that one-by-one, all my old 5.25" disks and drives are > dying. I need to find something else to replace them, or soon won't have > any that still work on my H89/H8! > -- > Ring the bells that still can ring > Forget the perfect offering > There is a crack in everything > That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen > -- > Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From wm65805 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 19 14:39:16 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:39:16 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: H-89 diagram for same? need for I/O port IDE Select References: <450CD896.6010400@swbell.net> <450F03FF.2040203@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:39:27 +0000 Hi: Question. 1. Is there a diagram for the H-89 ? 2. I would like change to Alt boot device aka h-67 one to serve as IDE select . 3. The ide would need more selects then the H-67 < aka SCSI> provides therefore the port decode chip addressing needs to be changed. Any suggestions? bill .. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Wed Sep 20 01:39:14 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:39:14 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: H-89 diagram for same? need for I/O port IDE Select In-Reply-To: References: <450CD896.6010400@swbell.net> <450F03FF.2040203@earthlink.net> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.28 MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR URI: Includes a link to a likely spammer email Message-ID: <704e82240609192339n633b8639k4e215481f507e48b@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bill, I have an H-88A operation manual that includes both the schematics and an illustration booklet that I could let you borrow. They do include the hard-sectored floppy, serial i/o, and cassette boards, but not the H-89-67 controller. Once you get this working, I'd be very interested in getting a board. Thanks, Mark On 9/19/06, bill malcolm wrote: > Hi: Question. > 1. Is there a diagram for the H-89 ? > 2. I would like change to Alt boot device aka h-67 one to serve as IDE > select . > 3. The ide would need more selects then the H-67 < aka SCSI> provides > therefore the port decode chip addressing needs to be changed. > > > Any suggestions? > > bill .. > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Wed Sep 20 08:41:31 2006 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:41:31 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- chips used In-Reply-To: References: <450CD896.6010400@swbell.net> <450F03FF.2040203@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4511450B.5010101@earthlink.net> bill malcolm wrote: > HI: this uses the following chips > 3 74hct32 > 1 74hct08 > 1 74hct04 > > This design is not mine -- I found this used for the apple II & would > be easy to use with the Z-80. The parts count looks suspiciously low. The GIDE circuit worked out by Tilmann Reh is quite complicated, because it supports 8-bit and 16-bit IDE devices (and almost all IDE devices are 16-bit). The Z80 basically has to output the low byte, then the high byte, then the write command, saving each part in latches. The reverse needs to be done to read; issue the read command and capture the 2 bytes in latches, then read the low byte latch, then the high byte latch. I have the circuit for Mike Riley's IDE interface for an RCA 1802 computer. It uses 3 ICs; one 74LS32, one 74LS04, and one 74LS75 4-bit latch (for the command); but it requires IDE devices that support 8-bit mode. > Boot code is needed for this device With the GIDE interface, it took *years* before anyone got around to writing any software to actually make it work. When they did, each person typically wrote a driver for their specific IDE device that did not work with any other. The market being what it is, almost no one else could find the same model hard drive, nor figure out the guy's code to modify it for something else. -- Ring the bells that still can ring Forget the perfect offering There is a crack in everything That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From rgroh at swbell.net Wed Sep 20 17:13:48 2006 From: rgroh at swbell.net (Bob and Bettina Groh) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:13:48 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- chips used In-Reply-To: <4511450B.5010101@earthlink.net> References: <450CD896.6010400@swbell.net> <450F03FF.2040203@earthlink.net> <4511450B.5010101@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4511BD1C.1050309@swbell.net> I sort of wondered about the software side of things. I thought of adding a USB interface to the H89 but rapidly came to the conclusion that writing and debugging the software driver would be a major undertaking. Given how little work I get done anyways, the idea was put aside. Sounds like the IDE interface might fit in the same boat. Wish I knew more about it - it would be nice to be able to add some of the old hard drives to an H-89 et al. Sigh. Bob Groh Lee Hart wrote: > bill malcolm wrote: >> HI: this uses the following chips >> 3 74hct32 >> 1 74hct08 >> 1 74hct04 >> >> This design is not mine -- I found this used for the apple II & would >> be easy to use with the Z-80. > > The parts count looks suspiciously low. The GIDE circuit worked out by > Tilmann Reh is quite complicated, because it supports 8-bit and 16-bit > IDE devices (and almost all IDE devices are 16-bit). The Z80 basically > has to output the low byte, then the high byte, then the write command, > saving each part in latches. The reverse needs to be done to read; issue > the read command and capture the 2 bytes in latches, then read the low > byte latch, then the high byte latch. > > I have the circuit for Mike Riley's IDE interface for an RCA 1802 > computer. It uses 3 ICs; one 74LS32, one 74LS04, and one 74LS75 4-bit > latch (for the command); but it requires IDE devices that support 8-bit > mode. > >> Boot code is needed for this device > > With the GIDE interface, it took *years* before anyone got around to > writing any software to actually make it work. When they did, each > person typically wrote a driver for their specific IDE device that did > not work with any other. The market being what it is, almost no one else > could find the same model hard drive, nor figure out the guy's code to > modify it for something else. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Wed Sep 20 18:13:39 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:13:39 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- chips used In-Reply-To: <4511BD1C.1050309@swbell.net> Message-ID: <000301c6dd0a$68c6ac60$6700a8c0@barry> Check out some of the articles and ads in "Nut and Volts", an electronic hobbyist publication. There are companies that have products (hardware and software) for the "Stamp" and robotics enthusiasts that they claim make USB extremely simple. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Bob and Bettina Groh Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:14 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- chips used I sort of wondered about the software side of things. I thought of adding a USB interface to the H89 but rapidly came to the conclusion that writing and debugging the software driver would be a major undertaking. Given how little work I get done anyways, the idea was put aside. Sounds like the IDE interface might fit in the same boat. Wish I knew more about it - it would be nice to be able to add some of the old hard drives to an H-89 et al. Sigh. Bob Groh Lee Hart wrote: > bill malcolm wrote: >> HI: this uses the following chips >> 3 74hct32 >> 1 74hct08 >> 1 74hct04 >> >> This design is not mine -- I found this used for the apple II & would >> be easy to use with the Z-80. > > The parts count looks suspiciously low. The GIDE circuit worked out by > Tilmann Reh is quite complicated, because it supports 8-bit and 16-bit > IDE devices (and almost all IDE devices are 16-bit). The Z80 basically > has to output the low byte, then the high byte, then the write command, > saving each part in latches. The reverse needs to be done to read; issue > the read command and capture the 2 bytes in latches, then read the low > byte latch, then the high byte latch. > > I have the circuit for Mike Riley's IDE interface for an RCA 1802 > computer. It uses 3 ICs; one 74LS32, one 74LS04, and one 74LS75 4-bit > latch (for the command); but it requires IDE devices that support 8-bit > mode. > >> Boot code is needed for this device > > With the GIDE interface, it took *years* before anyone got around to > writing any software to actually make it work. When they did, each > person typically wrote a driver for their specific IDE device that did > not work with any other. The market being what it is, almost no one else > could find the same model hard drive, nor figure out the guy's code to > modify it for something else. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Wed Sep 20 20:43:22 2006 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:43:22 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- chips used In-Reply-To: <000301c6dd0a$68c6ac60$6700a8c0@barry> References: <000301c6dd0a$68c6ac60$6700a8c0@barry> Message-ID: <4511EE3A.9030704@earthlink.net> Bob Groh wrote: > I thought of adding a USB interface to the H89 but rapidly came to > the conclusion that writing and debugging the software driver would > be a major undertaking... Sounds like the IDE interface might fit > in the same boat. Barry Watzman wrote: > Check out some of the articles and ads in "Nut and Volts"... > There are companies that have products (hardware and software) > for the "Stamp" and robotics enthusiasts that they claim make > USB extremely simple. Yes; this is probably the only practical way to approach it. Modern PC interfaces have become astoundingly complex. Special chips are needed to interface to them, and the amount of software required is enormous. The only way a "mere hobbyist" is likely to be able to interface anything to them is to buy a pre-built module that has the necesary hardware and software already in it. The trick is to FIND such modules! -- Ring the bells that still can ring Forget the perfect offering There is a crack in everything That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Thu Sep 21 14:44:24 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:44:24 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Floppy drive circuit boards Message-ID: <704e82240609211244y4f92d3f0xa9cb80ec887c26c8@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know if the circuit board (the one physically connected to a floppy drive) is calibrated (or otherwised tuned for the mechanical part of that particular drive? I have two of the Wangco model 82's that have different issues. The first one fails the seek test even at 36 msec. The second pulls down the 12V supply line. I didn't know what could be done with the first one, so I attempted to fix the second one. It had an obvious burnt inductor 'L5'. But, from looking at the circuit diagram and what little I remember from EE, it didn't see how this would explain the problem with the 12V supply. So, maybe there are other damaged parts on the board. Due to this and not having an inductor on hand, I thought I would use the board from the drive with the seek problem to see if I could make one working drive (both circuit boards looked identical and have the same number on them - although one drive has a red led and the other has a yellow). When I tried to use the newly created drive, it sounded awful, and did not work. I was wondering if anyone knows if this could be related to the 'foreign' circuit board? I'm thinking, it's more likely that there is a mechanical issue with this drive which may have cause the burnt inductor on the original circuit board. If that is likely the case, I'm not going to spend the time to try and repair the original board, but if could be related to the foreign board, I may track down the parts and attempt to fix it. Thanks, Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Thu Sep 21 15:02:53 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:02:53 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Floppy drive circuit boards In-Reply-To: <704e82240609211244y4f92d3f0xa9cb80ec887c26c8@mail.gmail.com> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <002f01c6ddb8$ecd52370$6700a8c0@barry> In general, no, there are no adjustments on the board related to the specific drive mechanics, with one exception: The motor control circuit of the Wango / Siemens has a pot to adjust the disc rotational speed. This is not common but is a characteristic of this particular design. But in general, you can swap a drive PCB between drive chassis with no concern for any differences between the chassis (presuming that we are talking about working drives and chassis). Note that you could have seemingly identical drives and boards with some major differences (e.g. the Tandon 48 tpi and 96 tpi drives look identical), but the boards will have different part numbers at the highest level (the actual differences may be nothing more than jumpering or parts values of circuit boards that are, in fact, identical). But I'm not aware of any such differences in seemingly similar boards from the Wangco / Siemens family of drives. -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Garlanger Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:44 PM To: sebhc Subject: [sebhc] Floppy drive circuit boards Does anyone know if the circuit board (the one physically connected to a floppy drive) is calibrated (or otherwised tuned for the mechanical part of that particular drive? I have two of the Wangco model 82's that have different issues. The first one fails the seek test even at 36 msec. The second pulls down the 12V supply line. I didn't know what could be done with the first one, so I attempted to fix the second one. It had an obvious burnt inductor 'L5'. But, from looking at the circuit diagram and what little I remember from EE, it didn't see how this would explain the problem with the 12V supply. So, maybe there are other damaged parts on the board. Due to this and not having an inductor on hand, I thought I would use the board from the drive with the seek problem to see if I could make one working drive (both circuit boards looked identical and have the same number on them - although one drive has a red led and the other has a yellow). When I tried to use the newly created drive, it sounded awful, and did not work. I was wondering if anyone knows if this could be related to the 'foreign' circuit board? I'm thinking, it's more likely that there is a mechanical issue with this drive which may have cause the burnt inductor on the original circuit board. If that is likely the case, I'm not going to spend the time to try and repair the original board, but if could be related to the foreign board, I may track down the parts and attempt to fix it. Thanks, Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From wm65805 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 22 09:15:00 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:15:00 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. References: <000301c6dd0a$68c6ac60$6700a8c0@barry> <4511EE3A.9030704@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:15:20 +0000 Here is a link for TRS-80 IDE it has Z80 Like H-89 http://www.qsl.net/zl1wjq/trside1.htm I am thinking of using this as a add on for my H-67 Card bill .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Hart" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- chips used > Bob Groh wrote: > > I thought of adding a USB interface to the H89 but rapidly came to > > the conclusion that writing and debugging the software driver would > > be a major undertaking... Sounds like the IDE interface might fit > > in the same boat. > > Barry Watzman wrote: > > Check out some of the articles and ads in "Nut and Volts"... > > There are companies that have products (hardware and software) > > for the "Stamp" and robotics enthusiasts that they claim make > > USB extremely simple. > > Yes; this is probably the only practical way to approach it. Modern PC > interfaces have become astoundingly complex. Special chips are needed to > interface to them, and the amount of software required is enormous. The > only way a "mere hobbyist" is likely to be able to interface anything to > them is to buy a pre-built module that has the necesary hardware and > software already in it. > > The trick is to FIND such modules! > -- > Ring the bells that still can ring > Forget the perfect offering > There is a crack in everything > That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen > -- > Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dkelvey at hotmail.com Fri Sep 22 09:38:33 2006 From: dkelvey at hotmail.com (dwight elvey) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 07:38:33 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] Floppy drive circuit boards In-Reply-To: <704e82240609211244y4f92d3f0xa9cb80ec887c26c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:38:33 GMT >From: "Mark Garlanger" > >Does anyone know if the circuit board (the one physically connected to >a floppy drive) is calibrated (or otherwised tuned for the mechanical >part of that particular drive? I have two of the Wangco model 82's >that have different issues. The first one fails the seek test even at >36 msec. The second pulls down the 12V supply line. I didn't know what >could be done with the first one, so I attempted to fix the second >one. It had an obvious burnt inductor 'L5'. But, from looking at the >circuit diagram and what little I remember from EE, it didn't see how >this would explain the problem with the 12V supply. So, maybe there >are other damaged parts on the board. ---snip--- Hi It is possible that the inductor got burnt when something external fell on the circuit board, like a screw or something. If the short is still on the board, I have methods for finding the shorted point but it does require a good 5 digit meter with a 200mv scale. 4 or 4.5 digit might work as well but not a 3 digit. It might be that the short is layout related and not shown in the schematic. As other say, I've swapped boards with no issues when I know the failure is the PC board. Most motor speed controls on older drive use either a tach or back emf from the motor. Both of these should be able to be used from machine to machine with little change if the same part for the motor is brought with it. Dwight -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Fri Sep 22 13:20:46 2006 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:20:46 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. In-Reply-To: References: <000301c6dd0a$68c6ac60$6700a8c0@barry> <4511EE3A.9030704@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4514297E.8090305@earthlink.net> bill malcolm wrote: > Here is a link for TRS-80 IDE it has Z80 Like H-89 > http://www.qsl.net/zl1wjq/trside1.htm > > I am thinking of using this as a add on for my H-67 Card This is another simplified 8-bit interface to an IDE drive. It depends on the IDE drive to support 8-bit mode to work. My understanding is that most drives do not support this, and there's no way to know except trial and error (keep trying them until you find one that works). But the hardware is the easy part -- it's the software that's going to drive you nuts! H89s and H8s never had anything like an IDE hard drive, so you'll have to start from scratch. And, I suspect it will be difficult to find any software specs on the particular hard drive you want to interface -- you'll have to rely on vague generic specs for the PC (which will assume 16-bit mode), and find out by trial and error if they work on your particular IDE drive. If you *have* an H67 card, you already have a SCSI host adapter. Therefore, you may have an easier time interfacing a SCSI hard drive in place of the old 8" H67 drive. These were widely used in Macs, and so almost as easy to find as PC IDE drives. And, the software for SCSI hard drives was already written and provided by Heath. The stock Heath software assumed a 10 meg drive, and they made no provisions to change it. But they did provide source code, and documented the command set; so it should be easier to modify the old code than to start over from scratch. Another possibility: Here's another idea I'm toying with. I have a dead H47 that will probably never be fixed. There's a LOT of room in that case! So, how about putting a complete PC clone in that box? Use the PC's floppy disk controller to talk to a pair of generic 8" drives (they interface like 3.5" 1.44meg drives as far as the PC is concerned). Also include a hard drive (IDE, almost certainly). Use the PC's parallel port and software on the PC to *emulate* the H89's H47 or H67 interface; that way, the H89 remains completely stock, both hardware and software. Or, if you don't have the H8 or H89 host adapter cards for the H47 or H67, then interface it serially to one of the RS-232 ports. Now you'll have to write software, or find an existing software package that does the job. For example, I have Woolfe Software's "MOVE-IT" program, which installs on the H89 to make the drives in a remote serially-connected computer behave like local disk drives. You preceed disk drive names with "R" to signify remote; for example PIP A:=RB:filename.txt will copy filename.txt from the remote computer's B: drive to the H89's A: drive. Yes, it's kind of a "killing cockroaches with a hammer" solution. But we have so many old hammers (useless PCs) lying around... -- Ring the bells that still can ring Forget the perfect offering There is a crack in everything That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From dkelvey at hotmail.com Sat Sep 23 12:20:39 2006 From: dkelvey at hotmail.com (dwight elvey) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:20:39 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. In-Reply-To: <4514297E.8090305@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:20:39 GMT >From: Lee Hart ----snip---- >> >But the hardware is the easy part -- it's the software that's going to >drive you nuts! H89s and H8s never had anything like an IDE hard drive, so >you'll have to start from scratch. And, I suspect it will be difficult to >find any software specs on the particular hard drive you want to interface >-- you'll have to rely on vague generic specs for the PC (which will assume >16-bit mode), and find out by trial and error if they work on your >particular IDE drive. > ---snip---- Hi What is the problem with going from a 8 bit bus to a 16 bit device? You just need an extra port and an extra latch going both ways. This is not rocket science to add this simple hardware. The entire world of IDE devices are then open to you. Dwight -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From leeahart at earthlink.net Sat Sep 23 13:20:20 2006 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:20:20 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45157AE4.5090006@earthlink.net> dwight elvey wrote: > What is the problem with going from a 8 bit bus to a 16 bit device? > You just need an extra port and an extra latch going both ways. > This is not rocket science to add this simple hardware. The entire > world of IDE devices are then open to you. I agree. This is fairly straightforward to do. It takes about twice as many chips, but they are relatively inexpensive. As you say, then you have a "normal" 16-bit interface to the IDE, so the documentation on how to talk to an IDE device will apply. Or, you could reverse-engineer someone's IDE device software driver, if you were desperate enough :-) The skeptic in me says that the published specs for IDE devices are probably obscure, incomplete and inaccurate. If it were me, I'd build a little logic analyzer to capture the 16-bit words going back/forth between a PC and its IDE drive when I did a read or write. Then, I would program the Z80 to send exactly those commands, in the same order, REGARDLESS of what the published specs say! -- Ring the bells that still can ring Forget the perfect offering There is a crack in everything That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From robin.england at dial.pipex.com Sat Sep 23 16:15:24 2006 From: robin.england at dial.pipex.com (Robin England) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:15:24 +0100 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. References: <45157AE4.5090006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002e01c6df55$63e87230$077ba8c0@hp6000001> Hi all The IDE interface is actually well documented and is extremely easy to interface to. I speak as an electronics engineer who works for a data recovery company. The only really tricky thing to do is implement support for DMA in your interface. However given the speed of the H8 / H89 you will only ever need PIO mode. Commands to the drive are always 8 bits, only data transfers are 16 bits. A few years ago I successfully designed and implemented a design based on latches (as per your earlier post) to allow direct IDE to 8-bit microcontroller interface in a CPLD and it works fine. There are a few drive-specific issues that exist due to the different interpretations that drive manufacturers have made on the ATA standards. Usually these involve things like having to issue a software reset or recalibrate command after power on or in certain circumstances. Also it is possible (and sometimes necessary) to load various drive registers before attempting data access to ensure correct operation. Most modern IDE (PATA) drives these days assume LBA addressing mode at power up but older drives assumed CHS addressing which can often cause confusion. Because hard drives are electromechanical devices, often relatively huge delays (e.g. 10,000 ms) can be the norm before the drive reports on ready. But, you can use the BSY and DRQ and DRDY bits in the control register to verify drive status. The standards documents for ATA can be found at: - http://www.t13.org I would be happy to offer advice on this project should you have any specific IDE related questions. I'm not so knowledgeable on the H8 / H89 side myself but I do own two H89 machines (hard-sectored drives only). Regards Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Hart" To: Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. > dwight elvey wrote: >> What is the problem with going from a 8 bit bus to a 16 bit device? >> You just need an extra port and an extra latch going both ways. >> This is not rocket science to add this simple hardware. The entire >> world of IDE devices are then open to you. > > I agree. This is fairly straightforward to do. It takes about twice as > many chips, but they are relatively inexpensive. As you say, then you have > a "normal" 16-bit interface to the IDE, so the documentation on how to > talk to an IDE device will apply. Or, you could reverse-engineer someone's > IDE device software driver, if you were desperate enough :-) > > The skeptic in me says that the published specs for IDE devices are > probably obscure, incomplete and inaccurate. If it were me, I'd build a > little logic analyzer to capture the 16-bit words going back/forth between > a PC and its IDE drive when I did a read or write. Then, I would program > the Z80 to send exactly those commands, in the same order, REGARDLESS of > what the published specs say! > -- > Ring the bells that still can ring > Forget the perfect offering > There is a crack in everything > That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen > -- > Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From mscane at bigpond.com Sat Sep 23 19:52:10 2006 From: mscane at bigpond.com (Lauren and Max Scane) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 10:52:10 +1000 Subject: [sebhc] Floppy drive circuit boards In-Reply-To: <704e82240609211244y4f92d3f0xa9cb80ec887c26c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c6df73$ab06f1f0$0300a8c0@NOTEBOOK> -----Original Message----- From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Garlanger Sent: Friday, 22 September 2006 5:44 AM To: sebhc Subject: [sebhc] Floppy drive circuit boards Does anyone know if the circuit board (the one physically connected to a floppy drive) is calibrated (or otherwised tuned for the mechanical part of that particular drive? I have two of the Wangco model 82's that have different issues. The first one fails the seek test even at 36 msec. The second pulls down the 12V supply line. I didn't know what could be done with the first one, so I attempted to fix the second one. It had an obvious burnt inductor 'L5'. But, from looking at the circuit diagram and what little I remember from EE, it didn't see how this would explain the problem with the 12V supply. ---snip--- I had the same problem, L5 burned up on power up. The fault turned out to be a shorted cap. If I remember correctly it was C3 that was at fault. I also decided to replace all the electrolytic caps (especially the tantalums) given its age. The drive works fine now. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Sun Sep 24 00:38:20 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 00:38:20 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Floppy drive circuit boards In-Reply-To: <000001c6df73$ab06f1f0$0300a8c0@NOTEBOOK> References: <704e82240609211244y4f92d3f0xa9cb80ec887c26c8@mail.gmail.com> <000001c6df73$ab06f1f0$0300a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240609232238i7537e76ct121b40e1b4712632@mail.gmail.com> On 9/23/06, Lauren and Max Scane wrote: > > I had the same problem, L5 burned up on power up. The fault turned out > to be a shorted cap. If I remember correctly it was C3 that was at > fault. I also decided to replace all the electrolytic caps (especially > the tantalums) given its age. The drive works fine now. > That's probably it... looking at the schematic, if C3 (or C4) shorted, L5 would be the next thing to fail. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From wm65805 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 16:50:07 2006 From: wm65805 at hotmail.com (bill malcolm) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:50:07 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. References: <45157AE4.5090006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:50:35 +0000 HI: Idea use IDE as only 8 bit. This is done sending a cmd to IDE drive. Then you can have 2 volumes by accessing as below. Normal IDE sector or block is 512 bytes SO... 1st volume uses bytes 0-254 2.nd volume uses bytes 255-511 bill .. more later... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Hart" To: Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. > dwight elvey wrote: > > What is the problem with going from a 8 bit bus to a 16 bit device? > > You just need an extra port and an extra latch going both ways. > > This is not rocket science to add this simple hardware. The entire > > world of IDE devices are then open to you. > > I agree. This is fairly straightforward to do. It takes about twice as > many chips, but they are relatively inexpensive. As you say, then you > have a "normal" 16-bit interface to the IDE, so the documentation on > how to talk to an IDE device will apply. Or, you could reverse-engineer > someone's IDE device software driver, if you were desperate enough :-) > > The skeptic in me says that the published specs for IDE devices are > probably obscure, incomplete and inaccurate. If it were me, I'd build a > little logic analyzer to capture the 16-bit words going back/forth > between a PC and its IDE drive when I did a read or write. Then, I would > program the Z80 to send exactly those commands, in the same order, > REGARDLESS of what the published specs say! > -- > Ring the bells that still can ring > Forget the perfect offering > There is a crack in everything > That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen > -- > Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From bshannon at tiac.net Mon Sep 25 18:58:13 2006 From: bshannon at tiac.net (Bob Shannon) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:58:13 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. References: <45157AE4.5090006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001001c6e0fe$775bd5a0$0100a8c0@screamer> Hello list members, I'm new here, having just gotten a working H89 (with only 1 bootable diskette). But I have some experience designing and building IDE controllers for my HP minicomputers, as well as the driver software. Take a quick look at www.pjrc.com under the 8051 development tools area. There is software to drive a 16-bit IDE interface via an 8255 chip, using PIO mode 0. Not too fast, but its bullet proof. I used a pjrc.com board with hardware added to talk to a generic HP interface board to implement my HP IDE disk controller, letting the 8052 take care of mapping the IDE drives LBA format into addressable blocks for the HP interface. Something very similar could be done to tie a pjrc.com 8052 board to the H89. All the low-level IDE driver code is right there, ready to go. Or, simply re-write the low-level IDE driver code, moving it from the 8052 to the Z80. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill malcolm" To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. > HI: Idea use IDE as only 8 bit. This is done sending a cmd to IDE > drive. Then you can have 2 volumes by accessing as below. > > Normal IDE sector or block is 512 bytes SO... > 1st volume uses bytes 0-254 > 2.nd volume uses bytes 255-511 > > bill .. > more later... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lee Hart" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 1:20 PM > Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: Great Idea for IDE MORE!! STATUS -- More Ideas .. > > >> dwight elvey wrote: >> > What is the problem with going from a 8 bit bus to a 16 bit device? >> > You just need an extra port and an extra latch going both ways. >> > This is not rocket science to add this simple hardware. The entire >> > world of IDE devices are then open to you. >> >> I agree. This is fairly straightforward to do. It takes about twice as >> many chips, but they are relatively inexpensive. As you say, then you >> have a "normal" 16-bit interface to the IDE, so the documentation on >> how to talk to an IDE device will apply. Or, you could reverse-engineer >> someone's IDE device software driver, if you were desperate enough :-) >> >> The skeptic in me says that the published specs for IDE devices are >> probably obscure, incomplete and inaccurate. If it were me, I'd build a >> little logic analyzer to capture the 16-bit words going back/forth >> between a PC and its IDE drive when I did a read or write. Then, I would >> program the Z80 to send exactly those commands, in the same order, >> REGARDLESS of what the published specs say! >> -- >> Ring the bells that still can ring >> Forget the perfect offering >> There is a crack in everything >> That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen >> -- >> Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net >> -- >> Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List >> > > -- > Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List > -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From bshannon at tiac.net Mon Sep 25 19:56:12 2006 From: bshannon at tiac.net (Bob Shannon) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:56:12 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] New Heathkit H89 owner with many questions... References: <45157AE4.5090006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002001c6e106$90adcb00$0100a8c0@screamer> Hello Heathkit fans, I've been collecting vintage computers for over 10 years, and I have a rather large collection of HP minicomputers and a few other odds and ends. Oh yeah, I have another Heathkit 'computer', sort of, I have a complete HERO 2000. I was just given a working, very clean H89 machine, with a single, worn, bootable floppy. I'm trying to get up to speed on this machine, but I have limited documentation. Here's what I know: This machine was used in the development of an array processor that was sold by Analogic Corp. Its been sitting in the office of one of the senior engineers that been with Analogic for decades. There are two half height floppy drives in the machine, and I have a single diskette. The media is clearly soft-sectored, and shows visible wear on several tracks. I'm in fear of loosing my only bootable diskette. The machine boots HDOS, and DIR shows the following results: NAME EXT SIZE DATE MBASIC ABS 77 9-JUL-85 MDFAST ABS 1 9-JUL-85 MDSLOW ABS 1 9-JUL-85 SYSHELP DOC 8 9-JUL-85 SYSLOGO CMD 1 27-JUN-86 TEMPLATE ASM 3 9-JUL-85 TEMPLATE CC 2 9-JUL-85 VAX ABS 1 9-JUL-85 8 FILES, USING 94 SECTORS (1800 FREE) No sysgen, not even a full distribution HDOS as far as I can tell. I'm not at all sure that I even have enough there to copy the one disk I do have. MBASIC runs, 1977 Microsoft basic! WooHoo. Is there any documentation for this on-line? I cannot seem to recall how to save and load basic problems, but I have written a few 'hello world' type programs that run just fine. During the boot process some sort of modem device driver loads. Oh yes, the machine reports 56K of ram installed. The past owner told me about the missing etch and being able to address more than 48K of ram. I have not yet seen the interior of the machine, its sitting in my office at work (I also work at Analogic). I'll be completing the paperwork maze to get this machine off the company books and back to my shop at home. Ok, question time... 1. Can anyone here send me any bootable media for this machine? 2. Is it possible to know what disk controller I have installed without opening the machine up? 3. Can I switch from HDOS to CP/M 2.2? 4. What is the most practical way to get software and data onto this machine? 5. Is there some way to use an old PC with a 360K drive to write H89 media, or do I need to use some sort of serial loader? 6. Is there any generic parallel interface option available? 7. Can MBASIC perform character I/O to a H89 serial interface? 8. I understand I cannot use SVD with my H89, (not hard sectored), is this correct? 9. Would it be more practical for me if I had a hard sectored disk controller and SVD? Here are my plans for the H89.. First off, if I'm going to keep this thing, I think I'll replace the CRT and switch to a green phosphor. The stock tube is perfectly servicable, but it does have very slight screen burn and re-tubing a Heathkit is a cakewalk. I'd love to be able to tie the H89 to one of my vintage minicomputers. The H89 could serve as a combo console and mass storage system, either for one of my really old core memory HP's, or for my ultra-rare Imlac PDS-1. I'd need either a generic parallel interface, or I could build a serial to parallel interface dongle to drive the paper tape reader interface on an HP. I could tie the H89 directly to the serial interface on the Imlac, but the Imlac itself is actually a smart terminal intended to tie into a larger (mainframe) system. But I could store Imlac software on the H89, and write a program to send the images out the serial port to boot the Imlac. It just seems a bit odd to have two machines that at least 'look' like terminals working together. On the other hand, I would not need any parallel I/O for this. Any reccomendations? Or should I keep using modern PC's to support vintage CPU's? -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From spamspike at comcast.net Mon Sep 25 22:53:59 2006 From: spamspike at comcast.net (Stanley Webb) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:53:59 -0600 Subject: [sebhc] New Heathkit H89 owner with many questions... In-Reply-To: <002001c6e106$90adcb00$0100a8c0@screamer> References: <45157AE4.5090006@earthlink.net> <002001c6e106$90adcb00$0100a8c0@screamer> Message-ID: On Sep 25, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Bob Shannon wrote: > The machine boots HDOS, and DIR shows the following results: > > NAME EXT SIZE DATE > > MBASIC ABS 77 9-JUL-85 > MDFAST ABS 1 9-JUL-85 > MDSLOW ABS 1 9-JUL-85 > SYSHELP DOC 8 9-JUL-85 > SYSLOGO CMD 1 27-JUN-86 > TEMPLATE ASM 3 9-JUL-85 > TEMPLATE CC 2 9-JUL-85 > VAX ABS 1 9-JUL-85 > > 8 FILES, USING 94 SECTORS (1800 FREE) Try command "DIR/S" without quotes to see all files including those with "S" or system flag set. You'll find PIP.ABS, SYSCMD.SYS, RGT.SYS, GRT.SYS and hopefully some of the rest of HDOS. INIT37.ABS is a soft-sector floppy initialization program, but I'm not sure if your soft-sectored controller is an H37. With INIT37.ABS or its equivalent for you controller and SYSGEN.ABS you should be able to copy your boot disk. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garlanger at gmail.com Mon Sep 25 23:45:50 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:45:50 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] New Heathkit H89 owner with many questions... In-Reply-To: <002001c6e106$90adcb00$0100a8c0@screamer> References: <45157AE4.5090006@earthlink.net> <002001c6e106$90adcb00$0100a8c0@screamer> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.00 BSF_SC5_SA011c Custom Rule SA011c Message-ID: <704e82240609252145x2c2f9527o2d928859bff7b599@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bob, Welcome to the group. You'll find a large collection of documentation and disk images in the library. These include many versions of both HDOS and CP/M. On 9/25/06, Bob Shannon wrote: > Hello Heathkit fans, > > I've been collecting vintage computers for over 10 years, and I have a > rather large collection of HP minicomputers > and a few other odds and ends. > > Oh yeah, I have another Heathkit 'computer', sort of, I have a complete HERO > 2000. > > I was just given a working, very clean H89 machine, with a single, worn, > bootable floppy. > I'm trying to get up to speed on this machine, but I have limited > documentation. > > Here's what I know: > > This machine was used in the development of an array processor that was sold > by Analogic Corp. > Its been sitting in the office of one of the senior engineers that been with > Analogic for decades. > > There are two half height floppy drives in the machine, and I have a single > diskette. The media > is clearly soft-sectored, and shows visible wear on several tracks. I'm in > fear of loosing my > only bootable diskette. > > The machine boots HDOS, and DIR shows the following results: > > NAME EXT SIZE DATE > > MBASIC ABS 77 9-JUL-85 > MDFAST ABS 1 9-JUL-85 > MDSLOW ABS 1 9-JUL-85 > SYSHELP DOC 8 9-JUL-85 > SYSLOGO CMD 1 27-JUN-86 > TEMPLATE ASM 3 9-JUL-85 > TEMPLATE CC 2 9-JUL-85 > VAX ABS 1 9-JUL-85 > > 8 FILES, USING 94 SECTORS (1800 FREE) > > No sysgen, not even a full distribution HDOS as far as I can tell. I'm not > at all sure > that I even have enough there to copy the one disk I do have. > Probably not, BTW: HDOS 2.0 is not Y2K compliant... > MBASIC runs, 1977 Microsoft basic! WooHoo. Is there any documentation for > this on-line? I cannot seem to recall how to save and load basic problems, > but > I have written a few 'hello world' type programs that run just fine. > Should be the same as the CP/M: load "FILE.BAS" and save "FILE.BAS" not sure about HDOS, but on the CP/M one, it's case-sensitive for both loading and saving - it'll lets you save "test.bas" and doesn't convert it to uppercase for you. (BTW: Does anyone know how to delete a file with lower-case characters in the filename under CP/M (or directly from MBAS) ;-) ) . > During the boot process some sort of modem device driver loads. > > Oh yes, the machine reports 56K of ram installed. The past owner told me > about > the missing etch and being able to address more than 48K of ram. > If HDOS reports 56k, then you probably have 64k. > I have not yet seen the interior of the machine, its sitting in my office at > work (I also > work at Analogic). I'll be completing the paperwork maze to get this > machine off > the company books and back to my shop at home. > > Ok, question time... > > 1. Can anyone here send me any bootable media for this machine? > Unfortunately, I still don't have a working Soft-sectored controller after more than 2 1/2 years of trying. > 2. Is it possible to know what disk controller I have installed without > opening > the machine up? > If the soft-sectored disk boots, then you definitely have a soft-sectored controller, there were a couple of 3rd party manufacturers of soft-sectored controllers, so if you're asking about that, you'll probably need to pop it open to find out. It's fairly easy - There are two latches on each side, use a flat head screw driver and pull them toward the front of the computer and lift, the top should then flip back. You said it was an H89, if so, or Z89 and not the Z90, then it probably also has a hard-sectored controller installed since that was standard (unless your company specifically removed it). The system can supports up to 2 drive controllers. If you can't identify something take a picture of it, and we should be able to tell you exactly what you have. > 3. Can I switch from HDOS to CP/M 2.2? > You should be able to. There was some 'ORG 0' modification required for CP/M on older systems maybe the 'missing etch' that was mentioned to you is the same thing. Since yours has 64k, I bet it can boot CP/M. > 4. What is the most practical way to get software and data onto this > machine? > Good question. I was able to find some hard-sectored disks and used a serial cable along with Dwight's program to transfer images (all available in the library). It works good, but unfortunately, I don't have enough disks to store everything I want to. With the soft-sectored controller, you should be able to find blank media relatively easy and store much more per disk. > 5. Is there some way to use an old PC with a 360K drive to write H89 media, > or do I need > to use some sort of serial loader? > I remember seeing some program for the PC that would read H89 soft-sectored disks. Not sure if it would write them. For hard-sectored, it's definitely not possible at least with standard hardware. > 6. Is there any generic parallel interface option available? > Yes, there were 3rd-party Centronics Parallel port cards and I believe Heath made one (H-89-11?) also. I have a 3rd party (FBE) parallel interface card that I would gladly trade you for the soft-sectored controller. I'll even throw in an Epson MX-80.. and a hard-sectored controller if you needed it. ;-) > 7. Can MBASIC perform character I/O to a H89 serial interface? > I've never tried but it should be since the terminal part of the H89 is actually connected to the CPU part by a serial interface. Also, once you get an HDOS distribution, you'll have an Assembler. > 8. I understand I cannot use SVD with my H89, (not hard sectored), is this > correct? > Not sure, but according to his site, the SVD creator is currently not filling any new orders. It says that he's taking this time to upgrade the SVD, I don't remember what it said was going to be added though. > 9. Would it be more practical for me if I had a hard sectored disk > controller and SVD? > Hopefully there is one already inside your H89. And hopefully the new SVD will be available soon. > Here are my plans for the H89.. > > First off, if I'm going to keep this thing, I think I'll replace the CRT and > switch to a green > phosphor. The stock tube is perfectly servicable, but it does have very > slight screen burn > and re-tubing a Heathkit is a cakewalk. > Green was one of the options for the original H89 so it will still look authentic. > I'd love to be able to tie the H89 to one of my vintage minicomputers. The > H89 could > serve as a combo console and mass storage system, either for one of my > really old core > memory HP's, or for my ultra-rare Imlac PDS-1. > > I'd need either a generic parallel interface, or I could build a serial to > parallel interface dongle > to drive the paper tape reader interface on an HP. > Apparently the other disk controllers for the H47 and H67 were just a glorified parallel interface, and the real drive controller logic was contained in the external boxes. Maybe you could use one of those. > I could tie the H89 directly to the serial interface on the Imlac, but the > Imlac itself is actually > a smart terminal intended to tie into a larger (mainframe) system. But I > could store Imlac > software on the H89, and write a program to send the images out the serial > port to boot > the Imlac. It just seems a bit odd to have two machines that at least > 'look' like terminals > working together. On the other hand, I would not need any parallel I/O for > this. > > Any reccomendations? > Not really, the H89(s) are the only vintage PCs I have. > Or should I keep using modern PC's to support vintage CPU's? > That seems the easiest option for now, until someone gets IDE or flash or usb or some other cheap/current media working... Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From Watzman at neo.rr.com Tue Sep 26 00:39:17 2006 From: Watzman at neo.rr.com (Barry Watzman) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:39:17 -0400 Subject: [sebhc] New Heathkit H89 owner with many questions... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002901c6e12e$1c2c7a60$6700a8c0@barry> The H37 was the only soft-sector 5.25" controller for the H89. _____ From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of Stanley Webb Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 11:54 PM To: sebhc at sebhc.org Subject: Re: [sebhc] New Heathkit H89 owner with many questions... On Sep 25, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Bob Shannon wrote: The machine boots HDOS, and DIR shows the following results: NAME EXT SIZE DATE MBASIC ABS 77 9-JUL-85 MDFAST ABS 1 9-JUL-85 MDSLOW ABS 1 9-JUL-85 SYSHELP DOC 8 9-JUL-85 SYSLOGO CMD 1 27-JUN-86 TEMPLATE ASM 3 9-JUL-85 TEMPLATE CC 2 9-JUL-85 VAX ABS 1 9-JUL-85 8 FILES, USING 94 SECTORS (1800 FREE) Try command "DIR/S" without quotes to see all files including those with "S" or system flag set. You'll find PIP.ABS, SYSCMD.SYS, RGT.SYS, GRT.SYS and hopefully some of the rest of HDOS. INIT37.ABS is a soft-sector floppy initialization program, but I'm not sure if your soft-sectored controller is an H37. With INIT37.ABS or its equivalent for you controller and SYSGEN.ABS you should be able to copy your boot disk. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garlanger at gmail.com Tue Sep 26 01:21:19 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:21:19 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] New Heathkit H89 owner with many questions... In-Reply-To: <002901c6e12e$1c2c7a60$6700a8c0@barry> References: <002901c6e12e$1c2c7a60$6700a8c0@barry> Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <704e82240609252321w6c67f457w2fa66b01d52048e@mail.gmail.com> The H37 was the only one offered by Heath. I remembered some 3rd party controllers were available - a quick scan though one of the old Remark magazines (Dec 83) shows that C.D.R Systems had one that controlled soft-sectored 5.25" drives. About the board it says: "Your hard sectored 5.25" disks can be reformatted and used as soft sectored double density disks." It also controlled 8" drives. The other ad I see is from Magnolia Microsystems, it doesn't explicitly state soft-sectored, but does say "four 5" SS or DS, 48- or 96-track-per-inch (40- or 80- track) drives at both single and double recording densities." That one also supported four 8" drives. Mark On 9/26/06, Barry Watzman wrote: > > > > > The H37 was the only soft-sector 5.25" controller for the H89. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org [mailto:sebhc-bounces at sebhc.org] On Behalf Of > Stanley Webb > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 11:54 PM > To: sebhc at sebhc.org > Subject: Re: [sebhc] New Heathkit H89 owner with many questions... > > > > > > > > > On Sep 25, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Bob Shannon wrote: > > > > > > The machine boots HDOS, and DIR shows the following results: > > > > NAME EXT SIZE DATE > > > > MBASIC ABS 77 9-JUL-85 > > MDFAST ABS 1 9-JUL-85 > > MDSLOW ABS 1 9-JUL-85 > > SYSHELP DOC 8 9-JUL-85 > > SYSLOGO CMD 1 27-JUN-86 > > TEMPLATE ASM 3 9-JUL-85 > > TEMPLATE CC 2 9-JUL-85 > > VAX ABS 1 9-JUL-85 > > > > 8 FILES, USING 94 SECTORS (1800 FREE) > > > > > Try command "DIR/S" without quotes to see all files including those with "S" > or system flag set. You'll find PIP.ABS, SYSCMD.SYS, RGT.SYS, GRT.SYS and > hopefully some of the rest of HDOS. INIT37.ABS is a soft-sector floppy > initialization program, but I'm not sure if your soft-sectored controller is > an H37. With INIT37.ABS or its equivalent for you controller and SYSGEN.ABS > you should be able to copy your boot disk. -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From ziloo_1 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 26 12:15:14 2006 From: ziloo_1 at yahoo.com (ziloo ...) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sebhc] Making hard sectored disks Message-ID: <20060926171514.21528.qmail@web35703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello to all H/Z 89 fans! For those interested, there is a nice thread about "Making hard sectored disks" at the following link: http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/1997-December/092647.html I don't have my Heath system as yet, and so I haven't tried it myself, but I would like to know whether the method works. Cheers! ziloo --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leeahart at earthlink.net Tue Sep 26 12:21:48 2006 From: leeahart at earthlink.net (Lee Hart) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:21:48 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] New Heathkit H89 owner with many questions... In-Reply-To: <002901c6e12e$1c2c7a60$6700a8c0@barry> References: <002901c6e12e$1c2c7a60$6700a8c0@barry> Message-ID: <451961AC.4050404@earthlink.net> Barry Watzman wrote: > The H37 was the only soft-sector 5.25? controller for the H89. The only *Heath* brand controller. Magnolia and CDR both sold soft-sector 5.25" controllers for the H89 (and H8) as well. -- Ring the bells that still can ring Forget the perfect offering There is a crack in everything That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From garlanger at gmail.com Thu Sep 28 20:49:35 2006 From: garlanger at gmail.com (Mark Garlanger) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:49:35 -0500 Subject: [sebhc] Cheap 34-pin Edge Connectors Message-ID: <704e82240609281849s7c315dbdm36fe72bc7553540d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys, If anyone needs 34-pin edge connectors, I found this company that has packs of 10 for only $1.99 and shipping was only $4.55. According to their site they only have 7 pks left. This was a MUCH better price than what Digikey wanted. I received my order today, works good, although I snapped one of the clips off (probably due to the age of the plastic), I just used another clip... so I still have 8 connectors left. http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/searchdetail.asp?productID=1505 Mark -- Delivered by the SEBHC Mailing List From timgearin at comcast.net Fri Sep 8 22:18:41 2006 From: timgearin at comcast.net (tg) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 20:18:41 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] [SPAM] Z89 emulator Message-ID: <001701c6d3be$a6ad2590$c62efea9@toshibauser> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 930 bytes Desc: not available URL: From timgearin at comcast.net Sun Sep 17 01:39:12 2006 From: timgearin at comcast.net (tg) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:39:12 -0700 Subject: [sebhc] [SPAM] Fw: Z89 emulator Message-ID: <000d01c6da23$fca1a3c0$6501a8c0@toshibauser> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 930 bytes Desc: not available URL: